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Post by wilbo71 on Aug 19, 2024 10:45:14 GMT -5
The division is not up for grabs, well, at least not for the Reds. I get getting swept by the Royals, but the manner of it is inexcusable.
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Post by The Duke on Aug 19, 2024 11:35:05 GMT -5
The division is not up for grabs, well, at least not for the Reds. I get getting swept by the Royals, but the manner of it is inexcusable. A series like that can shut up the "well, our run differential says our record should be...." crowd. |
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Post by reds541 on Aug 23, 2024 20:43:41 GMT -5
Huge, huge fail tonight against the Pirates. I can see losing to Skenes, but game 2 was a huge fail.
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Post by reds541 on Aug 23, 2024 20:45:34 GMT -5
Also, 2 - 6 at this point in the season is inexcusable.
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Post by wilbo71 on Aug 24, 2024 1:38:33 GMT -5
Also, 2 - 6 at this point in the season is inexcusable. Lodolo and Abbott have hit the wall it seems. Except for the one start where Abbott went 6 2/3 innings of 1 run baseball, he has not pitched that well recently. Now he is out for 15 days with some sort of shoulder issue. Lodolo is a lost cause at this juncture and has looked awful. I still believe in him, but him being injured as much as he has been, I think his stamina isn't what it should be due to not pitching much the last couple years. I really like both, but they have to get better if the Reds have any hopes of competing in the NLC. The bullpen is an absolute mess. Diaz has not been the same post-ASB 2023. Cruz needs outright released and asked to refund some of his $$$. Wilson is an abomination. Moll and Farmer have been the only truly consistent relievers the whole year. Martinez has been good at times and bad at times in the bullpen, much like his starts. The Reds HAVE TO ADDRESS their pitching woes this off-season, whether it be via FA or trades. They cannot expect to be competitive with pitching like they have. |
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Post by The Duke on Aug 24, 2024 8:45:59 GMT -5
We just can't play that big in the FA pitching market, we don't have the payroll for it. We retain control on Moll, so he'll be back. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to bring back Farmer, he shouldn't be too expensive. We need a stop gap starter like Montas again to bridge to Lowder and Burns.
Plenty of people want to bring back Martinez on like a 3 year deal, but he's 34 years old, that seems like playing with fire to me. It'd likely take 3 years at around $12-$15 million a year to keep him.
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Post by reds541 on Aug 25, 2024 17:12:51 GMT -5
SSDD. Diaz.
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Post by wilbo71 on Aug 25, 2024 22:54:53 GMT -5
He’s been a dog post-ASB 2023. He finished 2023 with a 3.07 ERA, but if IIRC, his pre-ASB ERA was <2.00. I have no way of knowing what his ERA was after the ASB in 2023, but I’d imagine it’s 4.00+. Now it’s up to 4.37 in 2024. |
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Post by wilbo71 on Aug 25, 2024 22:57:48 GMT -5
We just can't play that big in the FA pitching market, we don't have the payroll for it. We retain control on Moll, so he'll be back. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to bring back Farmer, he shouldn't be too expensive. We need a stop gap starter like Montas again to bridge to Lowder and Burns. Plenty of people want to bring back Martinez on like a 3 year deal, but he's 34 years old, that seems like playing with fire to me. It'd likely take 3 years at around $12-$15 million a year to keep him. Didn’t tee vee deals give the Reds extra $$$? I know they can’t compete with the big market teams in terms of offering several guys big time deals, but the Reds are too cheap to even get one guy on a big deal? They need a big thumper in the middle of the lineup. As someone already mentioned, Santander could be that guy needed. Him and EDLC they could easily afford to pay for. |
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Post by The Duke on Aug 25, 2024 23:13:23 GMT -5
We just can't play that big in the FA pitching market, we don't have the payroll for it. We retain control on Moll, so he'll be back. I wouldn't be opposed to trying to bring back Farmer, he shouldn't be too expensive. We need a stop gap starter like Montas again to bridge to Lowder and Burns. Plenty of people want to bring back Martinez on like a 3 year deal, but he's 34 years old, that seems like playing with fire to me. It'd likely take 3 years at around $12-$15 million a year to keep him. Didn’t tee vee deals give the Reds extra $$$? I know they can’t compete with the big market teams in terms of offering several guys big time deals, but the Reds are too cheap to even get one guy on a big deal? They need a big thumper in the middle of the lineup. As someone already mentioned, Santander could be that guy needed. Him and EDLC they could easily afford to pay for. I think we got one big contract to give out as long as it's in the 3-4 year range and not 5+ years, a medium contract on a one year deal and a couple smaller reliever contracts in FA. If we can somehow unload Jeimer's $15 million and Pagan's $8 million, that will give us some more flexibility, but odds are they are both Reds next year. |
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Post by wilbo71 on Aug 26, 2024 19:54:40 GMT -5
Didn’t tee vee deals give the Reds extra $$$? I know they can’t compete with the big market teams in terms of offering several guys big time deals, but the Reds are too cheap to even get one guy on a big deal? They need a big thumper in the middle of the lineup. As someone already mentioned, Santander could be that guy needed. Him and EDLC they could easily afford to pay for. I think we got one big contract to give out as long as it's in the 3-4 year range and not 5+ years, a medium contract on a one year deal and a couple smaller reliever contracts in FA. If we can somehow unload Jeimer's $15 million and Pagan's $8 million, that will give us some more flexibility, but odds are they are both Reds next year. I beg to differ: I think they could sign an outside guy and also ink EDLC to a huge long term deal. The outsider deal would need to be no more than 4 years, preferably 3. But I do think they could do this, but the penny pinchers will not do it. |
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Post by The Duke on Aug 26, 2024 21:20:03 GMT -5
I think we got one big contract to give out as long as it's in the 3-4 year range and not 5+ years, a medium contract on a one year deal and a couple smaller reliever contracts in FA. If we can somehow unload Jeimer's $15 million and Pagan's $8 million, that will give us some more flexibility, but odds are they are both Reds next year. I beg to differ: I think they could sign an outside guy and also ink EDLC to a huge long term deal. The outsider deal would need to be no more than 4 years, preferably 3. But I do think they could do this, but the penny pinchers will not do it. Any long term Elly deal right now would still likely pay him less than $3 million in 2025 and 2026. That's literally how all these early contracts get structured. It just locks in the guarantees in case of injury but still tends to follow a structure of 3 rookie years, 3 arb years of increasing salary and then any FA years tend to have big money years attached there. |
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Post by wilbo71 on Aug 27, 2024 1:34:56 GMT -5
I beg to differ: I think they could sign an outside guy and also ink EDLC to a huge long term deal. The outsider deal would need to be no more than 4 years, preferably 3. But I do think they could do this, but the penny pinchers will not do it. Any long term Elly deal right now would still likely pay him less than $3 million in 2025 and 2026. That's literally how all these early contracts get structured. It just locks in the guarantees in case of injury but still tends to follow a structure of 3 rookie years, 3 arb years of increasing salary and then any FA years tend to have big money years attached there. When is the earliest they can give him a massive deal? The earlier they lock him up the cheaper it will be. I think he will get a > Juan Soto deal if the Reds drag their feet; and if they do, it's bye-bye Elly. |
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Post by The Duke on Aug 27, 2024 4:54:19 GMT -5
Any long term Elly deal right now would still likely pay him less than $3 million in 2025 and 2026. That's literally how all these early contracts get structured. It just locks in the guarantees in case of injury but still tends to follow a structure of 3 rookie years, 3 arb years of increasing salary and then any FA years tend to have big money years attached there. When is the earliest they can give him a massive deal? The earlier they lock him up the cheaper it will be. I think he will get a > Juan Soto deal if the Reds drag their feet; and if they do, it's bye-bye Elly. They can do a deal whenever. Assuming Elly is even open to cutting one of those early team friendly deals. The Reds did it with Hunter Greene, so we know they aren't opposed to it. Elly might be fine and dandy waiting for Arbitration for all we know, and then for free agency. Regardless, he's a red through 2030 already. |
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Post by reds541 on Aug 27, 2024 23:23:39 GMT -5
What a disaster this nightmare of a season has become. Can't end soon enough.
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