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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 8:22:12 GMT -5
I have a trip lined up to go visit my aunt that lives in the Phoenix area in mid-November. She's well up in her 80's and visiting her won't occupy all my time, so I intend to take in a game or two. I've already checked the schedule and all three days that I will be there are days that there are 12:35 and 6:35 games, so I should be able to pull it off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 3:54:30 GMT -5
Play starts tomorrow. Anyone hear of any roster adjustments on the Reds players? I was hoping they'd come up with some better position players. Wallach is a complete non-prospect and Ervin has been a complete disappointment other than his first season 3 years ago.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 12, 2015 8:10:12 GMT -5
Play starts tomorrow. Anyone hear of any roster adjustments on the Reds players? I was hoping they'd come up with some better position players. Wallach is a complete non-prospect and Ervin has been a complete disappointment other than his first season 3 years ago. I already addressed that a month ago. Aside from Jesse Winker, Ervin and Blandino are the top hitters the Reds have in the upper minors, so expecting them to come up with "better" ones for the AFL is ridiculous. Ervin set high expectations in 2013, had a terrible 2014, but recovered in 2015 to lead the organization in homeruns... also stealing 34 bases and putting up a .346 OBP this season. He hasn't skyrocketed to the majors but he had a solid 2015 season, with his outlook vastly improved from only a year ago. A "complete disappointment"? That's utter nonsense. He was chosen #27 overall, not first. Unlike many Reds prospects his batting average (~.240) is not terribly descriptive, as he still gets on base as much as almost anyone in the system. He needs to improve his average, but unlike most Reds hitting prospects he doesn't need to reinvent his whole approach. In Reds country we generally seem to want more hitters with plate discipline who can get on base, who are more than free-swinging strikeout machines. That's just what Wallach is. Wallach was an OBP machine in 2014 (.322 average, .431 OBP), but had a worse year in 2015 (.246 averge, .327 OBP). Personally I look forward to seeing how he does in 2016, at AA. It could be a make-or-break season for him as a prospect, which I don't think 2015 was. As a catcher the demands on his bat are not as high as at other positions, and I assume he'll remain a catcher in the AFL despite some time at 1b. Wallach isn't a top prospect or high upside prospect, but I think it's absurd to call him a "non-prospect". He's unlikely to see a lot of playing time in the AFL (as one of three catchers on the roster), but he's also the kinda guy who could benefit most from a strong performance, by showing either strong hitting or receiving skills. I'm curious how you feel about Tucker Barnhart, whose upside is seemingly also as a backup catcher. Was he a "non-prospect" coming up, because he also lacked superstar upside? Wallach is a worse receiver, but potentially a better hitter. I think they're of comparable value as players, and it's silly to write off Wallach entirely at this point.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 12, 2015 8:24:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 8:52:40 GMT -5
Play starts tomorrow. Anyone hear of any roster adjustments on the Reds players? I was hoping they'd come up with some better position players. Wallach is a complete non-prospect and Ervin has been a complete disappointment other than his first season 3 years ago. I already addressed that a month ago. Aside from Jesse Winker, Ervin and Blandino are the top hitters the Reds have in the upper minors, so expecting them to come up with "better" ones for the AFL is ridiculous. Ervin set high expectations in 2013, had a terrible 2014, but recovered in 2015 to lead the organization in homeruns... also stealing 34 bases and putting up a .346 OBP this season. He hasn't skyrocketed to the majors but he had a solid 2015 season, with his outlook vastly improved from only a year ago. A "complete disappointment"? That's utter nonsense. He was chosen #27 overall, not first. Unlike many Reds prospects his batting average (~.240) is not terribly descriptive, as he still gets on base as much as almost anyone in the system. He needs to improve his average, but unlike most Reds hitting prospects he doesn't need to reinvent his whole approach. In Reds country we generally seem to want more hitters with plate discipline who can get on base, who are more than free-swinging strikeout machines. That's just what Wallach is. Wallach was an OBP machine in 2014 (.322 average, .431 OBP), but had a worse year in 2015 (.246 averge, .327 OBP). Personally I look forward to seeing how he does in 2016, at AA. It could be a make-or-break season for him as a prospect, which I don't think 2015 was. As a catcher the demands on his bat are not as high as at other positions, and I assume he'll remain a catcher in the AFL despite some time at 1b. Wallach isn't a top prospect or high upside prospect, but I think it's absurd to call him a "non-prospect". He's unlikely to see a lot of playing time in the AFL (as one of three catchers on the roster), but he's also the kinda guy who could benefit most from a strong performance, by showing either strong hitting or receiving skills. I'm curious how you feel about Tucker Barnhart, whose upside is seemingly also as a backup catcher. Was he a "non-prospect" coming up, because he also lacked superstar upside? Wallach is a worse receiver, but potentially a better hitter. I think they're of comparable value as players, and it's silly to write off Wallach entirely at this point. I try to make a point not to respond to your nonsense, but I will make an exception here. No alternatives?? How about instead of sending Chad Wallach, a offense first catcher that hasn't exactly shown much offensively and who at this point will probably never see the majors unless there is a miraculous transformation on the horizon, instead send someone who might actually be called upon to contribute. Who? Well lets consider the case of Ramon Cabrera. In his first season in the Reds organization he went from being a unnoticed minor league free agent signing to being the MVP of the AAA affiliate and giving a positive contribution during his September call-up. Not only was he called upon in 2015, but unless the Reds go off course of what is expected and decide to bring back Bryan Pena, Cabrera will go into 2016 #3 on the depth chart at catcher. Catcher is a position that commonly gets called upon over the course of a season for a AAA reinforcement, considering the Reds #1 is coming off hip surgery is a complete question mark, having a guy you can count on as a #3 is a must. So sending Cabrera to AFL would probably help cement the decision to go with him or cause the team to reconsider Pena. As for Ervin, he sucks and unless Kyle Waldrop is physically unable to go to AFL then he's the much more logical choice.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 12, 2015 9:53:28 GMT -5
I already addressed that a month ago. Aside from Jesse Winker, Ervin and Blandino are the top hitters the Reds have in the upper minors, so expecting them to come up with "better" ones for the AFL is ridiculous. Ervin set high expectations in 2013, had a terrible 2014, but recovered in 2015 to lead the organization in homeruns... also stealing 34 bases and putting up a .346 OBP this season. He hasn't skyrocketed to the majors but he had a solid 2015 season, with his outlook vastly improved from only a year ago. A "complete disappointment"? That's utter nonsense. He was chosen #27 overall, not first. Unlike many Reds prospects his batting average (~.240) is not terribly descriptive, as he still gets on base as much as almost anyone in the system. He needs to improve his average, but unlike most Reds hitting prospects he doesn't need to reinvent his whole approach. In Reds country we generally seem to want more hitters with plate discipline who can get on base, who are more than free-swinging strikeout machines. That's just what Wallach is. Wallach was an OBP machine in 2014 (.322 average, .431 OBP), but had a worse year in 2015 (.246 averge, .327 OBP). Personally I look forward to seeing how he does in 2016, at AA. It could be a make-or-break season for him as a prospect, which I don't think 2015 was. As a catcher the demands on his bat are not as high as at other positions, and I assume he'll remain a catcher in the AFL despite some time at 1b. Wallach isn't a top prospect or high upside prospect, but I think it's absurd to call him a "non-prospect". He's unlikely to see a lot of playing time in the AFL (as one of three catchers on the roster), but he's also the kinda guy who could benefit most from a strong performance, by showing either strong hitting or receiving skills. I'm curious how you feel about Tucker Barnhart, whose upside is seemingly also as a backup catcher. Was he a "non-prospect" coming up, because he also lacked superstar upside? Wallach is a worse receiver, but potentially a better hitter. I think they're of comparable value as players, and it's silly to write off Wallach entirely at this point. I try to make a point not to respond to your nonsense, but I will make an exception here. No alternatives?? How about instead of sending Chad Wallach, a offense first catcher that hasn't exactly shown much offensively and who at this point will probably never see the majors unless there is a miraculous transformation on the horizon, instead send someone who might actually be called upon to contribute. Who? Well lets consider the case of Ramon Cabrera. In his first season in the Reds organization he went from being a unnoticed minor league free agent signing to being the MVP of the AAA affiliate and giving a positive contribution during his September call-up. Not only was he called upon in 2015, but unless the Reds go off course of what is expected and decide to bring back Bryan Pena, Cabrera will go into 2016 #3 on the depth chart at catcher. Catcher is a position that commonly gets called upon over the course of a season for a AAA reinforcement, considering the Reds #1 is coming off hip surgery is a complete question mark, having a guy you can count on as a #3 is a must. So sending Cabrera to AFL would probably help cement the decision to go with him or cause the team to reconsider Pena. As for Ervin, he sucks and unless Kyle Waldrop is physically unable to go to AFL then he's the much more logical choice. Well, thanks for responding! Nobody responds to your comments. I thought I would. I took time to answer your questions and respond to your remarks, it's nice you appreciate it :/ -Chad Wallach appeared on several lists as one of the Reds' top 30 prospects heading into 2014.... you might not like him, but someone does, somewhere. -Ramon Cabrera was on no prospect list, anywhere, since coming to the Reds. He was released and signed by the Reds as a minor league free agent. Minor league free agents are rarely sent to the AFL. -Ramon Cabrera should be very proud of his strong season, but a strong season as a 25 year old minor league free agent shouldn't be confused for being a prospect. He's a year or two older than Wallach, with far less to prove. -The AFL selection process is a draft, not an appointment by the Reds. I think the team has some say in what players are put forward, while people outside the organization make the final choice. I have no idea why the Reds would put their 3rd string catcher, Ramon Cabrera, forward as a candidate. -Ramon Cabrera's performance in the AFL, in my opinion, would be totally irrelevant. He's returning to Louisville next year as the starter, and as the third string catcher. I don't think that's in debate, that's just how things are. He doesn't need to do anything to "cement the decision" that's already been made. He cemented that decision with his strong performance with the Reds. -Phil Ervin: "He sucks". Logic, at it's finest. -Kyle Waldrop hit .185 with a .211 OBP this season in Louisville. His average, homeruns, and walks were all down from 2014, while his strikeouts were way up. He started the season back in Pensacola, where he finished the previous year, but his numbers were nevertheless DOWN in his second go-around. Waldrop, without question, had a WORSE season in every way than Phil Ervin. Waldrop went to the AFL last year and hit fine, but if anything his performance showed how irrelevant an AFL performance can be with predicting improvements for the next season. After Ervin's decent 2015 season and Waldrop's atrocious 2015 every prospect ranking will rank Ervin above of Waldrop. Ervin will probably make some top 10 lists for the Reds, while Waldrop will NOT. Suggesting that Waldrop was more deserving than Ervin of a trip to the AFL this season is totally ridiculous. If Waldrop was sent you'd have a strong case that the Reds should've sent some stronger position players. I'm as optimistic about Waldrop as anyone, but the fact is he had a bad year, far worse than Ervin's.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 10:26:20 GMT -5
I suppose I could post the numerous replies to my comments to prove how boinking ignorant that comment is, but why bother. As for Wallach vs Cabrera the point is obvious. One impacts the 2016 Reds depth chart versus the other who will never impact the Reds. As for Waldrop you reference only his AAA numbers. So his 2016 Pensacola numbers are meaningless? And you can seriously evaluate Ervin as having a decent, much less good 2015??? You are in your own world fella.
End of me replying to someone with zero logic to their side of arguments.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 12, 2015 11:18:20 GMT -5
I suppose I could post the numerous replies to my comments to prove how boinking ignorant that comment is, but why bother. As for Wallach vs Cabrera the point is obvious. One impacts the 2016 Reds depth chart versus the other who will never impact the Reds. As for Waldrop you reference only his AAA numbers. So his 2016 Pensacola numbers are meaningless? And you can seriously evaluate Ervin as having a decent, much less good 2015??? You are in your own world fella. End of me replying to someone with zero logic to their side of arguments. Some people want discussions, others are just jerks. You're clearly the later. The AFL is for prospects, not bench players. Wallach is the former, Cabrera is the later. You're right, for Waldrop I did reference his AAA numbers. In AA he hit .277 with a .313 OBP. 6 HR, 12 BB, and 61 K in 259 plate appearances. Those numbers are all, without question, worse than those he put up in AA in 2014. I thought pointing out his diminished production in his second go-around at AA was satisfactory, but perhaps not. Between both levels Waldrop hit .235 with a .267 OBP. 7 HR, 19 BB, 115 K in 472 plate appearances. He had a bad year, by any evaluation. At both levels. He almost never walked so, unlike Ervin, he provided an empty batting average, with average and OBP being similar. Ervin had a higher OBP, hit more homeruns, stole more bases (Waldrop isn't a base stealer), played better defense, everything. Even the metric which portrays Ervin the WORST (batting average, .241) he outperformed Waldrop (.235). IS there a measure at which Waldrop outperformed Ervin??? Seriously, name one...
You see, when someone's argument has no logic to it - like your 2015 Waldrop>Ervin argument - I'll throw numbers at the person to show why their assumption is utterly false. You'll duck and run, I guess. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. Whatever works for you. Sorry to waste our mutual time by teaching you something... in the era of Donald Trump I guess the smartest people are the ones ignorantly unwilling to reconsider...
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 12, 2015 12:04:24 GMT -5
You might not like it but when Baseball America and others release their top 10 prospects lists for the Reds, the top 4 hitting prospects will be Winker followed by some order of Blandino, Tyler Stephenson, and Phil Ervin. Although Ervin might also miss out of the top 10 due to all the pitchers.
Waldrop will be lucky to make the top 20 in Reds farm system rankings.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 12, 2015 18:27:02 GMT -5
Wallach should be the every day first baseman for Pensacola next year, if that happens his value drops like a rock.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 13, 2015 8:33:47 GMT -5
The Reds seem committed to keeping Chad Wallach as a catcher at least half the time, and improving his catching. I'd be shocked if they gave up on it in 2016. Yeah, all his value comes from the potential that he can catch (and improve his catching), and his value definitely drops like a rock if he can't.
If you think his role will be stolen by Joe Hudson, I'm pretty skeptical that Hudson has a major league future, or that he'll entirely push Wallach aside any more than he already has.
I guess in that way looking okay behind the plate in the AFL is a huge deal for Wallach.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 14, 2015 8:32:01 GMT -5
The Peoria Javelinas played their first game yesterday. They won 6-5, not that anyone cares. I don't care about the team's win loss record one bit. mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2015_10_13_surwin_perwin_1&t=g_box&sid=l119Alex Blandino played 2b and went 0/4. Phil Ervin didn't play, despite the guys in LF, CF, and DH being outfielders who didn't have particularly remarkable/standout offensive seasons. The DH was Mike Yastrzemski (who just had a .316 OBP in AA at age 24), Carl's grandson. So, I mean, don't overreact about him not getting to play in game 1, Ervin will be in eventually. The guy in RF hit 32 HR. Chad Wallach didn't play, either. Layne Somsen pitched an ugly inning, giving up 2 hits, 1 BB, and 2 ERs. Zack Weiss pitched the 9th, getting a save in a perfect inning with 2 Ks. It's a rough time for Kevin McCarthy(s). First Kevin McCarthy was forced to drop out of the running for Speaker of the House, then a prospect named Kevin McCarthy gave up 5 runs (to the Javelinas) in 0.2 IP in his AFL debut. Hey, that got my attention.
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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 14, 2015 13:13:24 GMT -5
The Peoria Javelinas played their first game yesterday. They won 6-5, not that anyone cares. I don't care about the team's win loss record one bit. mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2015_10_13_surwin_perwin_1&t=g_box&sid=l119Alex Blandino played 2b and went 0/4. Phil Ervin didn't play, despite the guys in LF, CF, and DH being outfielders who didn't have particularly remarkable/standout offensive seasons. The DH was Mike Yastrzemski (who just had a .316 OBP in AA at age 24), Carl's grandson. So, I mean, don't overreact about him not getting to play in game 1, Ervin will be in eventually. The guy in RF hit 32 HR. Chad Wallach didn't play, either. Layne Somsen pitched an ugly inning, giving up 2 hits, 1 BB, and 2 ERs. Zack Weiss pitched the 9th, getting a save in a perfect inning with 2 Ks. It's a rough time for Kevin McCarthy(s). First Kevin McCarthy was forced to drop out of the running for Speaker of the House, then a prospect named Kevin McCarthy gave up 5 runs (to the Javelinas) in 0.2 IP in his AFL debut. Hey, that got my attention. Peoria has the best hats in the league in my opinion, wonder if wallach will play first base at all. Lookin forward to stephen johnson showing. Good start to fall ball 1-0!!!!
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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 14, 2015 13:21:57 GMT -5
Heres some other reds prospects numbers in other leagues
A. Chacin has pitched 2 innings has 2k's and 1hit
Yorman rodriguez is on the Liga Venezuela Beisbol roster, he has not seen action yet
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 14, 2015 15:01:56 GMT -5
Heres some other reds prospects numbers in other leagues A. Chacin has pitched 2 innings has 2k's and 1hit Yorman rodriguez is on the Liga Venezuela Beisbol roster, he has not seen action yet Alas, few people care about performances in the AFL (I do!), and far fewer probably care about the Venezuelan, Dominican, Mexican, or any other winter league.
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