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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5
We as Reds fans may be valuing Latos (and 1 year of control) after finishing the year injured too highly. The fact remains, the Reds need a LF'er (FA is probably not the answer) and offense is going to cost a lot via trade. A cake and ice cream scenario may not present itself. Cespedes has a downside, and Boston is strapped for starting pitching. Most of the discussion here has involved adding value on the margins, not pie in the sky...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 20:53:15 GMT -5
We as Reds fans may be valuing Latos (and 1 year of control) after finishing the year injured too highly. The fact remains, the Reds need a LF'er (FA is probably not the answer) and offense is going to cost a lot via trade. A cake and ice cream scenario may not present itself. Cespedes has a downside, and Boston is strapped for starting pitching. Most of the discussion here has involved adding value on the margins, not pie in the sky... Yeah, if the medicals are right, it seems reasonable. Unless Jon Lester is intent on going back to Boston, it won't be the easiest, or cheapest, thing in the world to acquire two free agent starting pitchers.
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Post by kramer1 on Oct 21, 2014 20:56:10 GMT -5
Trading Bruce may be an option. Trading Cueto is obviously an option. Packaging Latos/Leake is an option. In a perfect world we could trade Bailey. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Yeah, I'm drunk. The Reds are pretty much f'ed as far as BP and Bruce are concerned. Can't trade either of them for any reasonable value. Bailey either for that matter. One of Cueto/Latos/Leake or Chapman pretty much has to go in any trade IMHO. I hope you love the smell of napalm in the morning!
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 20:58:52 GMT -5
Sure, if they want to pay for multiple years, they can find their pitching in free agency. As far as Cespedes' value is concerned, it's reports from Boston that are suggesting he's expendable. If the Red Sox think Latos is declining, they're not considering this trade anyway... I think the Red Sox will add at least 2 starters this winter, one via FA and one via an OF trade. This is the rumor, but I don't think Cespedes alone is enough for a frontline starter. Boston just acquired him in exchange for a couple of months of Lester. If the Red Sox harped on Latos as damaged goods, I'd either look elsewhere or try a different trade, but Leake is the only one of Cueto/Latos/Leake I'd consider for Cespedes straight up...
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 21:05:30 GMT -5
Unless Jon Lester is intent on going back to Boston, it won't be the easiest, or cheapest, thing in the world to acquire two free agent starting pitchers. Good point, he was a little misty-eyed at the deadline...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 21:08:21 GMT -5
Unless Jon Lester is intent on going back to Boston, it won't be the easiest, or cheapest, thing in the world to acquire two free agent starting pitchers. Good point, he was a little misty-eyed at the deadline... Yeah, he said all the right things, but if he couldn't agree to an extension while he was still IN Boston, will he be able to agree to a free agent contract now that he's LEFT Boston? I tend to think he signs elsewhere. He and the Red Sox obviously couldn't agree on his value, I'm not sure the addition of a number of well-heeled competitors willing to throw around massive dollars will improve their chances.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 21:14:03 GMT -5
I think the Red Sox will add at least 2 starters this winter, one via FA and one via an OF trade. This is the rumor, but I don't think Cespedes alone is enough for a frontline starter. Boston just acquired him in exchange for a couple of months of Lester. If the Red Sox harped on Latos as damaged goods, I'd either look elsewhere or try a different trade, but Leake is the only one of Cueto/Latos/Leake I'd consider for Cespedes straight up... And starting pitching is more valuable midseason, no options to be had via FA.
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 21:16:37 GMT -5
This is the rumor, but I don't think Cespedes alone is enough for a frontline starter. Boston just acquired him in exchange for a couple of months of Lester. If the Red Sox harped on Latos as damaged goods, I'd either look elsewhere or try a different trade, but Leake is the only one of Cueto/Latos/Leake I'd consider for Cespedes straight up... And starting pitching is more valuable midseason, no options to be had via FA. I thought the general consensus was that you could get more for starting pitching in the offseason.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 21:18:41 GMT -5
Yeah, he said all the right things, but if he couldn't agree to an extension while he was still IN Boston, will he be able to agree to a free agent contract now that he's LEFT Boston? I tend to think he signs elsewhere. He and the Red Sox obviously couldn't agree on his value, I'm not sure the addition of a number of well-heeled competitors willing to throw around massive dollars will improve their chances. And he's turning 31 before next season, time to maximize the utility...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 21:19:45 GMT -5
Yeah, he said all the right things, but if he couldn't agree to an extension while he was still IN Boston, will he be able to agree to a free agent contract now that he's LEFT Boston? I tend to think he signs elsewhere. He and the Red Sox obviously couldn't agree on his value, I'm not sure the addition of a number of well-heeled competitors willing to throw around massive dollars will improve their chances. And he's turning 31 before next season, time to maximize the utility... Yeah, go sign a massive deal with the Dodgers or the Angels. The BoSox had their chance.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 21:34:42 GMT -5
This is the rumor, but I don't think Cespedes alone is enough for a frontline starter. Boston just acquired him in exchange for a couple of months of Lester. If the Red Sox harped on Latos as damaged goods, I'd either look elsewhere or try a different trade, but Leake is the only one of Cueto/Latos/Leake I'd consider for Cespedes straight up... And starting pitching is more valuable midseason, no options to be had via FA. One year of Latos could also look pretty valuable this offseason, when the alternatives cost tens of millions over multiple years...
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 21:35:09 GMT -5
And starting pitching is more valuable midseason, no options to be had via FA. I thought the general consensus was that you could get more for starting pitching in the offseason. I don't think so, not until the market has dried up....if there are a dozen available pitchers who can be had for just cash why trade away prospects? *Edit - valued different depending on the cash an organization has to dull out each winter.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 21:36:40 GMT -5
And starting pitching is more valuable midseason, no options to be had via FA. One year of Latos could also look pretty valuable this offseason, when the alternatives cost tens of millions over multiple years... Agreed, if you believe those guys are comparable. Do we believe that?
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 22:10:32 GMT -5
One year of Latos could also look pretty valuable this offseason, when the alternatives cost tens of millions over multiple years... Agreed, if you believe those guys are comparable. Do we believe that? Is the question Latos' value as a free agent if medically cleared? Obviously, his health has to be established before any of this trade discussion is relevant, but no one has described his recent injury as one that's going to curtail the career of a 26-year-old. As long as the prognosis holds, Latos will be a prime free agent value. Personally, I'd keep him if his trade value doesn't reflect that...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 22:23:54 GMT -5
One year of Latos could also look pretty valuable this offseason, when the alternatives cost tens of millions over multiple years... Agreed, if you believe those guys are comparable. Do we believe that? Off the top of my head, the only free agent pitchers he'd be behind are Max Scherzer and Jon Lester. He's ahead of James Shields, Jason Hammel, and everyone else...unless I'm overlooking someone really good.
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