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Post by kramer1 on Oct 21, 2014 20:14:54 GMT -5
Leake for him. Done.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:25:39 GMT -5
Steamer actually projects Cespedes to be worth more than Latos next year. I just don't see the Reds getting a top tier prospect thrown into such a trade. Boston does need starting pitching though. Another possibility might involve someone from their current bullpen mix. If I was already considering adding to the Reds bullpen through free agency, the deal for Cespedes and the magic bean would look more attractive... The problem is the Red Sox will have plenty of options via the FA market, they don't need to overpay for 1 year of a declining Latos.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 20:28:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I would do this too, but we might be the ones having to add to the deal...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 20:30:43 GMT -5
Boston does need starting pitching though. Another possibility might involve someone from their current bullpen mix. If I was already considering adding to the Reds bullpen through free agency, the deal for Cespedes and the magic bean would look more attractive... The problem is the Red Sox will have plenty of options via the FA market, they don't need to overpay for 1 year of a declining Latos. If they need to move an outfielder, then maybe moving a surplus asset is more desirable than heading into the free agent marketplace. Is Latos in decline or just coming off an injury plagued season?
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 20:35:43 GMT -5
Boston does need starting pitching though. Another possibility might involve someone from their current bullpen mix. If I was already considering adding to the Reds bullpen through free agency, the deal for Cespedes and the magic bean would look more attractive... The problem is the Red Sox will have plenty of options via the FA market, they don't need to overpay for 1 year of a declining Latos. Sure, if they want to pay for multiple years, they can find their pitching in free agency. As far as Cespedes' value is concerned, it's reports from Boston that are suggesting he's expendable. If the Red Sox think Latos is declining, they're not considering this trade anyway...
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Post by kramer1 on Oct 21, 2014 20:35:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I would do this too, but we might be the ones having to add to the deal... I doubt it. Leake is highly valuable IMO. He is more valuable in the national league, though.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:35:54 GMT -5
Steamer actually projects Cespedes to be worth more than Latos next year. I just don't see the Reds getting a top tier prospect thrown into such a trade. I don't know if I'm on board with this trade idea or not, but Rubby de la Rosa would be an intriguing sweetener. I'd rather have the reliever I mentioned. Not a big fan of De La Rosa, think he'll struggle to the tune of a ~ 1.5 WHIP for his career, and will only have 4 years of team control - enters arb next offseason.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:38:04 GMT -5
The problem is the Red Sox will have plenty of options via the FA market, they don't need to overpay for 1 year of a declining Latos. If they need to move an outfielder, then maybe moving a surplus asset is more desirable than heading into the free agent marketplace. Is Latos in decline or just coming off an injury plagued season? The Reds aren't the only team looking to add offense (which there is little of in FA). It doesn't really matter if it's injury or not, the fact is he got worse and finished the year on the dl.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:38:57 GMT -5
Not sure AL teams will jump at Leake, not at least when there are other options.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 21, 2014 20:41:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I would do this too, but we might be the ones having to add to the deal... I doubt it. Leake is highly valuable IMO. He is more valuable in the national league, though. Arroyo survived in the AL, but all his sub-4.00 seasons have been in the NL...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 21, 2014 20:41:46 GMT -5
If they need to move an outfielder, then maybe moving a surplus asset is more desirable than heading into the free agent marketplace. Is Latos in decline or just coming off an injury plagued season? The Reds aren't the only team looking to add offense (which there is little of in FA). It doesn't really matter if it's injury or not, the fact is he got worse and finished the year on the dl. It matters quite a bit when we are talking about, and trying to peg, future value.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:42:00 GMT -5
We as Reds fans may be valuing Latos (and 1 year of control) after finishing the year injured too highly.
The fact remains, the Reds need a LF'er (FA is probably not the answer) and offense is going to cost a lot via trade.
A cake and ice cream scenario may not present itself.
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Post by kramer1 on Oct 21, 2014 20:46:05 GMT -5
We as Reds fans may be valuing Latos (and 1 year of control) after finishing the year injured too highly. The fact remains, the Reds need a LF'er (FA is probably not the answer) and offense is going to cost a lot via trade. A cake and ice cream scenario may not present itself. Trading Bruce may be an option. Trading Cueto is obviously an option. Packaging Latos/Leake is an option. In a perfect world we could trade Bailey. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Yeah, I'm drunk.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:47:11 GMT -5
The problem is the Red Sox will have plenty of options via the FA market, they don't need to overpay for 1 year of a declining Latos. Sure, if they want to pay for multiple years, they can find their pitching in free agency. As far as Cespedes' value is concerned, it's reports from Boston that are suggesting he's expendable. If the Red Sox think Latos is declining, they're not considering this trade anyway... It certainly appears that the Red Sox have at least one too many outfielders and are in need for an established starter. That's why the hypothetical. I think the Red Sox will add at least 2 starters this winter, one via FA and one via an OF trade. I think they'd still consider it if they felt he was no longer the #2 that he appeared to be, as long as he was 100% healthy.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 21, 2014 20:48:56 GMT -5
We as Reds fans may be valuing Latos (and 1 year of control) after finishing the year injured too highly. The fact remains, the Reds need a LF'er (FA is probably not the answer) and offense is going to cost a lot via trade. A cake and ice cream scenario may not present itself. Trading Bruce may be an option. Trading Cueto is obviously an option. Packaging Latos/Leake is an option. In a perfect world we could trade Bailey. Hahahahahahahahahaha! Yeah, I'm drunk. The Reds are pretty much f'ed as far as BP and Bruce are concerned. Can't trade either of them for any reasonable value. Bailey either for that matter. One of Cueto/Latos/Leake or Chapman pretty much has to go in any trade IMHO.
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