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Post by Lark11 on Oct 19, 2014 12:49:18 GMT -5
"Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports that "word has spread" that the Red Sox could make Yoenis Cespedes available for trade this offseason.
General manager Ben Cherington said last month that the team would like to discuss an extension with Cespedes, but it seems the outfielder might prefer to play out the final year of his contract before testing free agency. Cafardo also notes that Cespedes doesn't really want to play right field "or work on his defense." The Red Sox figure to make at least one trade this winter given their glut of outfielders, and it sounds like Cespedes might be the one to go."
Source: Boston GlobeOct 19 - 1:00 PM
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Post by rocky15231 on Oct 19, 2014 15:46:48 GMT -5
It would depend on the price, and we'd hope that his 1 year playing for a contract and in LF would work out. With that said, it would be a rental and only a rental. Tread wisely. I'd still inquire, and I'd certainly trade one of our low/mid level arms for him.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 19, 2014 19:21:31 GMT -5
It would depend on the price, and we'd hope that his 1 year playing for a contract and in LF would work out. With that said, it would be a rental and only a rental. Tread wisely. I'd still inquire, and I'd certainly trade one of our low/mid level arms for him. It seems like Boston would want to make this a bigger deal. We'd have to get more back, but I think the last year of Cespedes' contract could be part of a trade involving one of our starting pitchers. He's a power bat for the middle of the order and solves left field for 2015... |
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Post by kinsm on Oct 19, 2014 22:11:30 GMT -5
It would depend on the price, and we'd hope that his 1 year playing for a contract and in LF would work out. With that said, it would be a rental and only a rental. Tread wisely. I'd still inquire, and I'd certainly trade one of our low/mid level arms for him. ? Do you believe Latos is one of our low/mid level arms? That's what this trade would involve. |
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Post by rocky15231 on Oct 19, 2014 22:56:47 GMT -5
It would depend on the price, and we'd hope that his 1 year playing for a contract and in LF would work out. With that said, it would be a rental and only a rental. Tread wisely. I'd still inquire, and I'd certainly trade one of our low/mid level arms for him. ? Do you believe Latos is one of our low/mid level arms? That's what this trade would involve. If it means they re-sign Cueto, then fine. It's essentially a rental for a rental, with whatever else involved. This hinges a lot on the health of Cingrani and development of others. |
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Post by kinsm on Oct 20, 2014 2:40:01 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks giving Cueto 20-25 mil per is a horrible idea?
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 20, 2014 7:29:19 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks giving Cueto 20-25 mil per is a horrible idea? I think there are advantages and disadvantages to trading any one of Cueto, Latos, or Leake, and the same goes for signing them. Where Cespedes is concerned, the Reds need more in return for Latos. Cespedes isn't a good on-base offensive player, the Reds at least have to get back a player or players to shore up the bench and add depth. If the Sox try to knock down the return by emphasizing the injury risk, I think the Reds either have to walk away from that--unfortunately, because we could use Cespedes--or perhaps work on deal involving one of the other two pitchers... Still assuming the Reds want to make a run in 2015. If we deal two pitchers from the rotation, I think that significantly reduces those chances... |
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Post by cbassxu on Oct 20, 2014 7:41:08 GMT -5
I would say absolutely not. But then again, I think Cespedes is pretty overrated.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 20, 2014 10:03:03 GMT -5
I also think Cespedes is pretty overrated. He's defined by his impressive raw power, but only hits ~25 homeruns a year. That's a number Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Todd Frazier, Devin Mesoraco, and formerly Brandon Phillips and Ryan Ludwick could all match.
Cespedes is not a particularly good defender. He's not a base stealer. He's certainly NOT an OBP guy, having finished with OBPs of .294 and .301 in the past 2 years. I don't see how he's a solution to the Reds' LF problems.
I'm tempted to compare some numbers for Brandon Phillips and Yoenis Cespedes - one who is an old overpaid guy on the decline who can no longer hit, the other is a rising young star... both make basically the same amount of cash, both hit around a .260 average, both have OBPs around .300, similar BB and K rates. Both advertise a 100 RBI season as a sign of what a good run producer they are. Slugging percentage, particularly based on Cespedes' homerun power, seems like the biggest offensive difference, although that doesn't take into account Phillips' excellent fielding.
Really, is Cespedes a better use of cash than Brandon Phillips? I'm not convinced.
Some might argue that Cespedes' power will play well the homerun hitters paradise of GABP, and lead to more homeruns. I don't buy that though. If you have the power to regularly hit the ball 400+ feet it doesn't matter where you play. It's another story if you're like (in their primes) Shin-Soo Choo, Brandon Phillips, or Joey Votto... guys who usually don't crush the ball like Cespedes. Cespedes isn't a particularly good hitter now, and I don't think GABP can turn him into one like it can other guys.
I guess Cespedes is a fit for the Reds in the sense that he's only under contract for 2015, and would fill the gap until Jesse Winker is ready to play everyday... and no longer. As a 2014 All Star, nobody would dispute his acquisition being significant, or call for his removal from a starting role before each of the 162 games of the 162 game season. Criticism Cespedes would face for being the opposite of Shin-Soo Choo, seemingly unable to get on base, would probably be a beneficial setup to OBP-machine Jesse Winker.
On a side note regarding Cueto, remember to compare how Reds fans see Cueto now, versus a year ago. Suddenly he's a deserving Cy Young candidate, a year ago many Reds fans questioned where he'd ever play another full season without completely redesigning his pitching style, particularly the twist that makes him so prone to injury. Extending Cueto, or chosing NOT to extend Cueto, are both bad options. He's extremely injury prone, and betting on his health is a huge gamble. I'm not advocating for Cueto to be traded, but what are the chances of him repeating 2014 in 2015? Personally if I had to bet on Cueto or Latos to make 30+ starts in 2015, I'd put my money on Latos. Leake seems like a sure thing to make 30+ starts also, but right when you pay guys for being sure things they seem to get hurt. Whatever Jocketty chooses to do with those 3 guys is fine with me, ultimately he just has to hope that he gets lucky that injuries only happen to the ones he trades away.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 20, 2014 10:46:17 GMT -5
Cespedes' slugging puts him up with Frazier and Mesoraco in this year's Reds lineup, with the added quality of having done it the last three seasons. So he's that type of power bat, not the type Phillips has been over the last two seasons. Since no one's likely to argue we should marry the guy, the question is his value for a team planning to make a run next season. If the Reds aren't that team, they probably shouldn't be looking at Cespedes in the first place...
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Oct 20, 2014 11:36:43 GMT -5
We can't afford, and I don't particularly want him. We need a guy who can get on base, not another swing-and-miss type.
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Post by rocky15231 on Oct 20, 2014 12:09:31 GMT -5
Paying Cueto is gambling that he stays healthy. However, I think it's pretty safe to say that you don't dominate the league for 6 seasons in a row like he has if you don't "have it." The concerns of signing him long-term are his health. His performance and his ability to be a true "ace" are NOT in question.
The opposite was/is (until 2013 for ML, 2014 for HB) the case for Homer Bailey and Mat Latos. The Reds were paying for their steady improvement, health and stuff, less for them being an ace. As we see with both, as soon as health issues come into play, you really wonder if they are worth. We're already in on Bailey, but need to make a decision on Latos.
Mike Leake...he's the most curious case. His numbers, age and consistency warrant that he could get 11-14M a year long-term. However, anyone who has watched him pitch would probably agree it's crazy to lump him with those other two guys in-terms of being long-term deal worthy.
For my money, I'd much rather sign Cueto, take my chances with being able to improve other areas by dealing Latos and/or Leake, and then seeing what happens if a deal isn't made.
Letting Cueto walk would be one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history. He's the best Reds' starting pitcher ever.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 20, 2014 12:13:02 GMT -5
We can't afford, and I don't particularly want him. We need a guy who can get on base, not another swing-and-miss type. If the Reds clearly indicated that they can't afford even the difference between Cespedes' $10.5m and Latos' post-arbitration salary for 2015, then it's a bad sign for any serious plan to make a run next season and would make the idea of taking the roster apart more attractive... |
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Post by rocky15231 on Oct 20, 2014 12:19:08 GMT -5
We can't afford, and I don't particularly want him. We need a guy who can get on base, not another swing-and-miss type. If the Reds clearly indicated that they can't afford even the difference between Cespedes' $10.5m and Latos' post-arbitration salary for 2015, then it's a bad sign for any serious plan to make a run next season and would make the idea of taking the roster apart more attractive... Exactly. If people are looking at what we can "afford" and not making the assumption that the front office will look at anything/everything that could possible improve the roster, we're not going to get better at all. |
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Post by yorak on Oct 20, 2014 12:39:28 GMT -5
He would flat out kill it at GABP
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