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Post by kinsm on May 13, 2015 17:21:34 GMT -5
rosteresource.com Dan Duquette and Billy Beane regularly claim more players off the waiver wire than anyone else, Alex Anthopolus is normally up there too. Jocketty passes on a lot of guys who IMHO could be better 24th/25th men than what they typically throw out there everyday. I'm interested in a number, if there is a number, not looking to make work for others that I'm not going to do myself. Superficially, the loss in value doesn't seem significant, but it would be interesting if more claims in these cases translated into more talent through waiver on these rosters... Fangraphs and MLBTRadeRumors do a write up on it every year, I have zero interest in finding them - feel free to google search your heart out. As for number of players on active 40 man rosters who were acquired off waivers - www.rosterresource.com/mlb-team-payroll-and-how-assembled-tracker/ will give you those numbers...
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Post by kinsm on May 13, 2015 17:22:35 GMT -5
I would have definitely claimed Byrd during the playoff hunt so PIT couldn't get him. This is different, Jocketty never explained it, and the reporters didn't press him on it after the season... Nothing to explain, it was inexcusable - not even just as a block - he could have helped this team at the time.
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Post by psuhistory on May 13, 2015 21:46:52 GMT -5
I'm interested in a number, if there is a number, not looking to make work for others that I'm not going to do myself. Superficially, the loss in value doesn't seem significant, but it would be interesting if more claims in these cases translated into more talent through waiver on these rosters... Fangraphs and MLBTRadeRumors do a write up on it every year, I have zero interest in finding them - feel free to google search your heart out. As for number of players on active 40 man rosters who were acquired off waivers - www.rosterresource.com/mlb-team-payroll-and-how-assembled-tracker/ will give you those numbers... The joke is that Oakland has as many players off waivers as from their own system. He's like a gerbil on speed, the antiWalt...
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Post by psuhistory on May 13, 2015 21:54:52 GMT -5
This is different, Jocketty never explained it, and the reporters didn't press him on it after the season... Nothing to explain, it was inexcusable - not even just as a block - he could have helped this team at the time. Byrd was just off a drug suspension. Jocketty's not the only GM who would have hesitated over the decision, it's something Eisenhardt mentioned, not knowing what bringing in a player with that history would do. Baker said after he was fired that he was disappointed the Reds didn't go after Byrd, so maybe there was some discussion and difference over it...
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Jun 15, 2015 9:11:27 GMT -5
More proof that Jocko can't be troubled to get off his tuchas:
Justin Ruggaino -- DFA'd by the Mariners eventually outrighted by the M's Kirk Nieuwenhuis -- DFA'd by the Angels claimed by the Mets Eric Young, Jr -- DFA'd by the Braves, eventually outrighted by the Braves David Carpenter -- DFA'd by the Yankees, claimed and traded by the Nats Carlos Peguera -- DFA'd by the Red Sox, now a free agent Matt Dominguez -- DFA'd by the Astros -- status pending Jerry Sands -- DFA'd by the Indians -- outrighted
Go ahead and tell me how Boesch or Negron are better than any of theses guys...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 9:19:48 GMT -5
More proof that Jocko can't be troubled to get off his tuchas: Justin Ruggaino -- DFA'd by the Mariners eventually outrighted by the M's Kirk Nieuwenhuis -- DFA'd by the Angels claimed by the Mets Eric Young, Jr -- DFA'd by the Braves, eventually outrighted by the Braves David Carpenter -- DFA'd by the Yankees, claimed and traded by the Nats Carlos Peguera -- DFA'd by the Red Sox, now a free agent Matt Dominguez -- DFA'd by the Astros -- status pending Jerry Sands -- DFA'd by the Indians -- outrighted Go ahead and tell me how Boesch or Negron are better than any of theses guys... Add Rickie Weeks to that list. Currently sitting in dfa limbo.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Jun 15, 2015 9:23:05 GMT -5
I'll forgive Jocko that one because Weeks comes with a $2M price tag if you claim him on waivers. If Weeks becomes a free agent, then he gets added to the list.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 15, 2015 10:00:58 GMT -5
I'll forgive Jocko that one because Weeks comes with a $2M price tag if you claim him on waivers. If Weeks becomes a free agent, then he gets added to the list. Zero reason to grab Weeks, that's a win-now type move. We should be looking towards the future and trying to cut costs, not playing for now and increasing costs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 10:15:51 GMT -5
I would concur not to add Weeks at the 2 mil, but he's unquestionably better than anyone on our bench. So if he gets released Walt has zero excuse not to grab him.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Jun 15, 2015 16:36:01 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the Rays just signed Grady Sizemore to a minor-league deal, and the Mets outrighted Kirk Nieuwenheis.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Aug 24, 2015 16:58:23 GMT -5
Missed opportunities by Jocko since he did the absolute minimum at the end of July:
Jay Bruce was pretty good in June with a .345/..495/.840 slash line and torid in July with a .315/.360/.618 line. Since August 1: .138/.167/.263. It is clear to me we have lost a lot of trade value on Mr. Bruce, so much so that I fully expect to begin 2016 with him still on the team. There was interest in Bruce on July 31, and he was as good as he was going to be. Now, we'll get a lot less for him.
Manny Parra is a lefty-specialist who is having a good enough year and soon-to-be free agent. Not only could not Jocko be bothered to deal him before the deadline, he couldn't bestir himself enough to make one the first week or two of August. Parra is back on the DL now. Granted that Parra was not going to bring about much of a return, but now the return is nothing-at-all.
Burke Badenhop was pitching lights out. He's affordable with a mutual $2.5M option. Also not dealt prior to July 31. He probably won't clear waivers at this point. 50/50 chance Bandenhop refuses his half of the option and aims for greener pastures next winter. Reds return; Nothing.
Brayan Pena is a switch hitting catcher. Decent enough slash line. Again won't return much, but what the hell is he still doing on this team?
Oh well, hopefully Jocko will wake up in January. There's bound to be some ex-Cardinals over 35 still looking for a job.
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Post by vtreds22 on Aug 24, 2015 17:54:07 GMT -5
Bruce is hot and cold. Nothing new. He'll probably finish with something around an .800 OPS by the end of the season, unless he just mails it in from here on out (possible, but unlikely). If the best offer we could have gotten for Bruce was Matt Harvey then we did well to hold onto him. And it's not like other GMs are idiots. They know Bruce has been a streaky hitter his entire career; they have access to the same stats we do. I don't buy the notion of Bruce's trade value being significantly higher one month ago than it is now. Other GMs don't look at players like fans do. They weren't going to say "here, Walt, take our best prospects, Bruce is hot!!!" like many fans want to believe.
I'm pretty sure Parra was on the DL at the trade deadline.
Badenhop's trade value was non-existent. The only thing we would have gotten by trading him is maybe a small amount of financial relief and some organizational chaff unlikely to ever contribute anything at the ML level. Nothing worth going on about.
Pena is a .650 OPS catcher who sucks defensively. And he's old. What's the market for him?
I don't like Walt either (see my sig) but I really don't understand the point of this post. You seem upset that Walt didn't move Bruce because he was having a hot streak (you make it sound like he HAS to be dealt, which is completely false) and because he didn't move a couple of veteran scrubs for organizational filler. You didn't even mention his biggest screw-up at the deadline, which was holding onto Chapman. Like I said, I'm not a Walt fan, but other than holding onto Chapman, I thought he did fine at the deadline. He got decent enough returns for the two guys who had to be dealt and a potentially semi-useful bullpen arm for Byrd. I think being upset he didn't move some veteran scrubs for prospect scrubs is a bit silly myself.
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 25, 2015 10:16:16 GMT -5
Regarding one minor point, what is Brayan Pena doing here? In addition to the limited trade value and appeal he possesses, I think it's possible that they value his ability to work with young pitchers, with the team seemingly flooded with rookies. They are relying more on Barnhart than Pena these days, but we're still seeing Pena a bunch.
If they feel like Brayan Pena has a positive influence on the performance, development, confidence... anything... of the rookie pitchers he's worth his contract. And probably worth more to them than a contender. The positive effect he COULD have on the pitchers going forward is probably more valuable than the scrub prospect they'd draw in return, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 10:14:14 GMT -5
If this list is accurate the Jocko is either lazy, stupid or both. www.mlbdailydish.com/2015/8/6/9112923/mlb-waivers-listAccording to that list no Red other than Marlon Byrd was ever placed on waivers. I would have thought the entire roster would have been on waivers just to gauge interest and/or be ready for an opportunity if a player cleared.
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Post by kramer1 on Aug 30, 2015 11:08:47 GMT -5
There's just no excuse for Phillips or Bruce to not be put on waivers.
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