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Post by vtreds22 on May 14, 2018 22:35:01 GMT -5
Thanks for all the feedback. For the record, I didn't receive any messages calling anyone out by name, rather just expressing concern about a decline in the overall environment as of late. So, I thought it was worth mentioning just to head things off at the pass. Reds get off to their worst start in history and this board is pretty active. Then Reds win 5 straight and this board is really dead. Not sure what to read into that because I thought this board would really jump to life when they started winning. Am I missing something here? Anyway, I come to this board daily and enjoy reading the comments. In spite of winning six in a row, the Reds are still 13 below .500 with no realistic hope at competing this year. They're going to have a losing season for the fifth straight year. "jumping to life" may be lofty expectations for a fanbase that is accustomed to so much losing. Fans are rightfully frustrated, and the message board is an outlet for some to vent those frustrations. Not just on this board, but the fan base in general has grown apathetic. That'll happen when you get off to the worst 20 game start in franchise history (or 25, whatever the number was) and you haven't made the playoffs in five years. People will be talking about the Reds more when they're competitive again, whenever that is. Hopefully they give us a few reasons to tune in this summer. There's a few reasons (Senzel, Winker, Castillo, etc) but, in general, fans are just tired of the continued losing.
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Post by redsfan79 on Jun 7, 2018 8:40:25 GMT -5
Hi---I am new to the Board---been a Reds fan since the early 70's---the golden years of the franchise with the Big Red Machine---have to admit one the reasons I joined the board today was to vent---but I am so frustrated with all the losing that I am not even sure where to begin--I just hope that the FO does not trade some of the few good players we have in the hopes of developing younger players with potential---that just does not seem to be working very well---I am ok with developing players from within--we need to figure out who the cornerstones of the team are and build around them---to me the obvious cornerstones are Votto, Gennett and Suarez---Schebler, Duvall and Winker I believe are keepers as well---the pitching is very disappointing considering all the trades for "potential" starting pitching---I still hope that Castillo, Romano and Harvey might work out---it is a real shame that the Reds can not be a player in FA--- just two proven quality starting pitchers would make a huge difference in this team being able to compete--well that is my vent for today---I will keep following the team and hope for signs of improvement --particularly with our young starting pitchers
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 7, 2018 8:49:06 GMT -5
Hi---I am new to the Board---been a Reds fan since the early 70's---the golden years of the franchise with the Big Red Machine---have to admit one the reasons I joined the board today was to vent---but I am so frustrated with all the losing that I am not even sure where to begin--I just hope that the FO does not trade some of the few good players we have in the hopes of developing younger players with potential---that just does not seem to be working very well---I am ok with developing players from within--we need to figure out who the cornerstones of the team are and build around them---to me the obvious cornerstones are Votto, Gennett and Suarez---Schebler, Duvall and Winker I believe are keepers as well---the pitching is very disappointing considering all the trades for "potential" starting pitching---I still hope that Castillo, Romano and Harvey might work out---it is a real shame that the Reds can not be a player in FA--- just two proven quality starting pitchers would make a huge difference in this team being able to compete--well that is my vent for today---I will keep following the team and hope for signs of improvement --particularly with our young starting pitchers Welcome aboard! I share your frustration and your concern about our refusal (inability?) to identify cornerstone players. The Reds seem unwilling to commit to players. They don't want to decide who's in and who's out. Instead, they continue to be stuck in neutral. The timeline for the rebuild should have been determined by Joey Votto,. If you keep him, then the rebuild needs to be shorter to take advantage of his remaining prime seasons. At this rate, the rebuild will be "finished" about the time Votto resembles Scott Hatteberg. So, a new hole will be emerging that needs to be filled.
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Post by searay on Jun 8, 2018 13:13:52 GMT -5
Hi---I am new to the Board---been a Reds fan since the early 70's---the golden years of the franchise with the Big Red Machine---have to admit one the reasons I joined the board today was to vent---but I am so frustrated with all the losing that I am not even sure where to begin--I just hope that the FO does not trade some of the few good players we have in the hopes of developing younger players with potential---that just does not seem to be working very well---I am ok with developing players from within--we need to figure out who the cornerstones of the team are and build around them---to me the obvious cornerstones are Votto, Gennett and Suarez---Schebler, Duvall and Winker I believe are keepers as well---the pitching is very disappointing considering all the trades for "potential" starting pitching---I still hope that Castillo, Romano and Harvey might work out---it is a real shame that the Reds can not be a player in FA--- just two proven quality starting pitchers would make a huge difference in this team being able to compete--well that is my vent for today---I will keep following the team and hope for signs of improvement --particularly with our young starting pitchers Welcome. The problem is the organization is so devoid of talent it's debatable if they have "cornerstones". Votto is certainly a future Hall of Famer but can a mid 30s guy be a cornerstone of a 100 loss team? Even if you're Albert Pujols you have a dropoff at Votto's age. I'd trade anyone given the right deal. I will say that what they got for Chapman is fireable offense. I don't know who exactly was responsible but we can't afford to let that sort of talent go for "nothing".
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Post by searay on Jul 17, 2018 15:38:09 GMT -5
Thought I'd post something here that is exhibit A as to what's NOT quality baseball talk from another site. The discussion stems from comparing various events on offense. It involves the Reds comeback victory last week vs the Indians. My opinion (remember that word) is that the Votto bases clearing double was the biggest offensive event in that inning. Someone else disagreed with me and felt that the Hererra walk was an equal event. Here's what he said:
Now without getting into the minutia of the discussion, why can't we just debate it and not declare that one of us is right or wrong? There is no right or wrong. We're all baseball fans and we're all entitled to our views of the game. Who wants to attend a baseball game with a guy like that?
I much prefer the level of baseball discussion here and hope it seldom devolves into something like what I described above
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Post by donho97 on Jul 18, 2018 7:28:43 GMT -5
Thought I'd post something here that is exhibit A as to what's NOT quality baseball talk from another site. The discussion stems from comparing various events on offense. It involves the Reds comeback victory last week vs the Indians. My opinion (remember that word) is that the Votto bases clearing double was the biggest offensive event in that inning. Someone else disagreed with me and felt that the Hererra walk was an equal event. Here's what he said: Now without getting into the minutia of the discussion, why can't we just debate it and not declare that one of us is right or wrong? There is no right or wrong. We're all baseball fans and we're all entitled to our views of the game. Who wants to attend a baseball game with a guy like that? I much prefer the level of baseball discussion here and hope it seldom devolves into something like what I described above I agree, "the other site" is ruled by a group of long time posters who if you disagree with them they will attack you relentlessly. It's like a jailhouse mentality over there. It's not a place where you can exchange ideas freely IMO. It's more of a MyWay or the Highway mentality over there unfortunately....
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Post by Lark11 on Jul 18, 2018 9:28:00 GMT -5
Baseball writer Rob Neyer once wrote something that stuck with me. He said that everyone falls somewhere on the "certainty/uncertainty" spectrum in terms of their thinking. "Certainty" is great because it gives confidence! Uncertainty is great because it lends itself to having an open mind and a willingness to reconsider your ideas.
I'm not sure where you should ideally want to be on the certainty/uncertainty spectrum, but I value substantive discussion and the ability to exchange ideas and perspectives. It allows you to test your ideas, reshape your beliefs, and strengthen your position. A lot of that comes from dissenting views, which frequently, in my view, have value, especially on a message board designed for discussion.
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Post by searay on Jul 18, 2018 10:48:48 GMT -5
Baseball writer Rob Neyer once wrote something that stuck with me. He said that everyone falls somewhere on the "certainty/uncertainty" spectrum in terms of their thinking. "Certainty" is great because it gives confidence! Uncertainty is great because it lends itself to having an open mind and a willingness to reconsider your ideas. I'm not sure where you should ideally want to be on the certainty/uncertainty spectrum, but I value substantive discussion and the ability to exchange ideas and perspectives. It allows you to test your ideas, reshape your beliefs, and strengthen your position. A lot of that comes from dissenting views, which frequently, in my view, have value, especially on a message board designed for discussion. I greatly enjoy exchanging views with those who have a different perspective but exchanging views is not going to happen with someone who says "you're dead wrong." I have no problem with being blunt and if the discussion was about something tangible like Pete Rose's batting avg, fine. I'm all for someone to correct my facts but opinions and viewpoints are different.
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Post by Lark11 on Jul 18, 2018 10:57:21 GMT -5
Baseball writer Rob Neyer once wrote something that stuck with me. He said that everyone falls somewhere on the "certainty/uncertainty" spectrum in terms of their thinking. "Certainty" is great because it gives confidence! Uncertainty is great because it lends itself to having an open mind and a willingness to reconsider your ideas. I'm not sure where you should ideally want to be on the certainty/uncertainty spectrum, but I value substantive discussion and the ability to exchange ideas and perspectives. It allows you to test your ideas, reshape your beliefs, and strengthen your position. A lot of that comes from dissenting views, which frequently, in my view, have value, especially on a message board designed for discussion. I greatly enjoy exchanging views with those who have a different perspective but exchanging views is not going to happen with someone who says "you're dead wrong." I have no problem with being blunt and if the discussion was about something tangible like Pete Rose's batting avg, fine. I'm all for someone to correct my facts but opinions and viewpoints are different. No, I agree. That's the tone I have always wanted for this board: respectful and substantive discussion. As you mention, there are things that are objectively true or false and those can/should be pointed out, but there are a lot of topics that are not objectively true or false. There's always room for discussion and varying opinions on those topics. Groupthink is death for a message board.
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Post by searay on Jul 18, 2018 10:58:59 GMT -5
Thought I'd post something here that is exhibit A as to what's NOT quality baseball talk from another site. The discussion stems from comparing various events on offense. It involves the Reds comeback victory last week vs the Indians. My opinion (remember that word) is that the Votto bases clearing double was the biggest offensive event in that inning. Someone else disagreed with me and felt that the Hererra walk was an equal event. Here's what he said: Now without getting into the minutia of the discussion, why can't we just debate it and not declare that one of us is right or wrong? There is no right or wrong. We're all baseball fans and we're all entitled to our views of the game. Who wants to attend a baseball game with a guy like that? I much prefer the level of baseball discussion here and hope it seldom devolves into something like what I described above I agree, "the other site" is ruled by a group of long time posters who if you disagree with them they will attack you relentlessly. It's like a jailhouse mentality over there. It's not a place where you can exchange ideas freely IMO. It's more of a MyWay or the Highway mentality over there unfortunately.... Yes, that site has a lot of problems. The moderating is particularly poor and it's driven off some very good quality people. In the political section I once got tagged with an infraction because I was overly critical of a city (not Cincinnati). Go figure. All I want to do is debate issues without the personal stuff. That's all I ask.
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Post by yorak on Jul 18, 2018 11:08:40 GMT -5
Are we talking about RZ? That place sucked, get banned if you're a bit negative about a certain reds player and/or manager.
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Post by searay on Jul 18, 2018 11:15:48 GMT -5
Are we talking about RZ? That place sucked, get banned if you're a bit negative about a certain reds player and/or manager. Not only that, the quality of very active contributors is suspect to say the least. You literally have unemployed people who are working from their parents' basement. The mental health of many is suspect too. Warnings about not knowing who you're really encountering on the internet definitely applies there.
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Post by kinsm on Jul 18, 2018 16:30:32 GMT -5
searay doesn't like RZ because of the politics section...as he is in the minority view there more often than not.
He'd hate to know that when this board was actually active - 3+ years ago, he would have been in the minority here as well.
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Post by searay on Jul 18, 2018 22:38:22 GMT -5
searay doesn't like RZ because of the politics section...as he is in the minority view there more often than not. He'd hate to know that when this board was actually active - 3+ years ago, he would have been in the minority here as well. I love the Politics section. I wouldn't post there if I didn't. And you're absolutely right, I'm a huge minority there but that's OK. I've never felt the need to belong to a tribe. That's not in my make up
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Post by reds1972 on Dec 29, 2018 14:54:56 GMT -5
New member, thanks for the approval. Looking forward to some good Reds talk. I was lurking on Redszone for years. Their registration never worked. Its not that it said "we are not accepting new member at this time" it was just that it wouldn't work. I just gave it another shot this week and it works. BUT - I get back a message saying I don't fit membership requirements. Not that they aren't accepting new members at this time but I don't fit their requirements. Yet I answered all their questions, gave them my email and birth date. I left nothing out. It cant be anything but age discrimination, there is simply no other info they have on me besides liking Bench as my all time favorite player and not being a millennial. Very weird people there. Good riddance.
Again thanks for accepting my registration.
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