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Post by IndiaCaravan on Jul 17, 2023 20:27:57 GMT -5
Not really a big piece for a playoff run, but recently noticed Yonny Chirinos was dfa'd by the Rays and his peripherals are a little rough but is coming back from injury this year. He might be worth a look for a bulk guy. The Rays are pretty smart about their pitching assets, but he's 29 and affordable with some track record of success.
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Post by schellis on Jul 18, 2023 14:30:26 GMT -5
The Reds need to trade for a front line guy. If all they do is scour the DFA wire they are going to be in for a bad time. Especially the AL one since every AL team and most of NL will have to have passed on the guy before he gets to the REds.
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Post by IndiaCaravan on Jul 18, 2023 16:01:09 GMT -5
I think the odds are over 50% that they will go in for one big piece. Philly is solidly in WC race but Aaron Nola (FIP 4.34) would be a good rental, relatively affordable. It might be tougher bidding on him with wealthy teams who would be willing to sign him after the season. The Reds shouldn't and won't sign him long term. He will be expensive then. Giolito (FIP 4.14) worries me as a bust candidate for the Reds. Bieber of course is good but has an injury (2 weeks) at the moment, and his FIP is 4.14. These are #2 starters. Burnes FIP is 4.08, Lorenzen 4.12, Andrew Abbott 4.33, Ashcraft/Weaver/Lodolo/Williamson all over 5 (but should improve) for reference.
But looking at the first half, injury history and poor AAA staff, they'll probably look for a couple of upgrades in waiver land or minor trades. I brought up Chirinos just because he was newly available and I follow the Rays a bit. Their own injury problems (Rasmussen, Springs, Baz, McClanahan for a bit) led to Chirinos getting the kind of innings he got coming off his longterm injury.
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Post by curbinmann on Jul 18, 2023 17:13:10 GMT -5
I’m in the minority but I’d stand pat on the starters. We are building something here that can possibly be special. A frontline rental is gonna cost Marte or Stand or Steer or more. Unless they have inside info that Greene and Lodolo won’t return this year.
I just can’t see even with a frontline starter having enough to compete for a title this year. Now if per Se we could trade and sign aguy say Lucas Gilito or Shane Bieber then all bets are off, I’d trade Marte and change for that, but I doubt Uncle Bob is going to sign a $125 million or more contract like Seattle did to justify Castillo trade.
I would like to see the reds pick up 2 relievers. 1 that is a left handed that is good enough to trust late with a 1 run lead. And 2 a guy who can go multiple innings and maybe be an opener. I haven’t heard anything on Teejay Antone, but I doubt his elbow can hold up to the spin rate he generates.
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Post by IndiaCaravan on Jul 19, 2023 11:58:49 GMT -5
I could go either way. There is part of me that says, despite the logjam, it might not be prudent to trade Marte right now to maximize his value as an asset. His numbers aren't flashy but at 21 in AAA without major flaws in his game, there's nowhere to go but up. I expect him to finish very strong this year. Of course, it's not hard to talk ourselves out of trading any of these young guys for one reason or another. Just seeing a little bit of CES in the bigs, one has to think "I'd like this guy in my lineup for a few years".
If they don't go for it this year, then they should really go pay for the best free agent pitching they can. With all the controllable talent, there's no excuse to opening up the pocket book in the offseason, it they don't want to cash in prospect talent.
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Post by Lark11 on Jul 20, 2023 23:08:39 GMT -5
If I'm adding a starting pitcher, I'd take a long, hard look at Mets LHP David Peterson.
He's 27 years old. He's been crowded out of the Mets rotation by higher profile and more expensive starting pitchers. As a result, he's been bouncing back and forth between the rotation and the bullpen, the majors and the minors. This inconsistent MLB time means that he has 2.125 seasons of service time through the 2022 season. So, he's more than a rental.
On the season, he has tossed 55.1 innings over 11 starts and 1 relief appearance. His 6.51 ERA and 1.66 WHIP are less than great, but he's got a solid 10.01 K/9 and 3.81 BB/9. So, his peripherals are better than his overall numbers.
Another reason why he'd be a good fit for the Reds is that he has a career groundball percentage of 49.7% and a career GB/FB ratio of 1.78. That would obviously be a desirable trait for GABP.
Also, he definitely feels like he's in need of a change in scenery; a move to organization where he gets a consistent and legitimate shot in the rotation. Also, a new coaching staff and a new voice in his ear might help him unlock a better performance level. There's a bit more upside/potential there for the Reds to unlock. And, odd as it is to say, the Reds actually have a strong pitching staff and development system. So, we may be able to get more out of him than the Mets have.
As for his repertoire, Peterson has a fastball that sits 93 mph, a slider, curveball, and changeup. He throws the fastball about 50% of the time, the slider about 25% of the time, and his changeup about 17% of the time. He doesn't throw the curveball much, but it's not bad; in fact, he can break off a good one.
Here's a look at him:
He doesn't have a defined role so he's more of an afterthought for the Mets, he has additional untapped upside, he won't cost an arm and a leg, and he's under control for another 3-4 seasons so he isn't a rental.
I don't know what the Mets would want for him, but he's an arm that I like and that would make a decent amount of sense for the Reds of 2023.
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Post by scottscudder on Jul 30, 2023 16:54:27 GMT -5
Does Lorenzen make sense for the Reds? He can start in place of Weaver until Greene or Lodolo return, then move to the bullpen. He's somewhat cheap compared to other options ($8M one year deal). What would the Reds need to give up to get him? A mid level prospect or two? It could also be a PR win for the Reds with the fans.
This is a move that makes sense to me.
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Post by jeremiah on Jul 30, 2023 20:11:37 GMT -5
Does Lorenzen make sense for the Reds? He can start in place of Weaver until Greene or Lodolo return, then move to the bullpen. He's somewhat cheap compared to other options ($8M one year deal). What would the Reds need to give up to get him? A mid level prospect or two? It could also be a PR win for the Reds with the fans. This is a move that makes sense to me. I like Lorenzen personally a lot, but his pitching makes me nervous. Seen him blow too many chances.
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Post by scottscudder on Jul 30, 2023 22:23:39 GMT -5
Does Lorenzen make sense for the Reds? He can start in place of Weaver until Greene or Lodolo return, then move to the bullpen. He's somewhat cheap compared to other options ($8M one year deal). What would the Reds need to give up to get him? A mid level prospect or two? It could also be a PR win for the Reds with the fans. This is a move that makes sense to me. I like Lorenzen personally a lot, but his pitching makes me nervous. Seen him blow too many chances. I'm with you as I recall a number of disappointments with him. It seems like as a starter at least, he may have figured some things out though. A huge upgrade vs. Weaver. His ERA this year is very solid and more than comparable vs the entire Reds rotation except for Abbott.
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Post by jeremiah on Jul 31, 2023 0:25:34 GMT -5
I like Lorenzen personally a lot, but his pitching makes me nervous. Seen him blow too many chances. I'm with you as I recall a number of disappointments with him. It seems like as a starter at least, he may have figured some things out though. A huge upgrade vs. Weaver. His ERA this year is very solid and more than comparable vs the entire Reds rotation except for Abbott. I agree. I think he'd be a good fit. I think Weaver is decent. At least we're usually in the game. Reds usually score a lot of runs when he pitches (I guess they realize they have to.) If he gets out of the 1st w/ minimal damage we're usually alright.
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Post by jeremiah on Aug 11, 2023 20:59:52 GMT -5
Watched Lorenzen throw his no hitter...good for him. At least he enjoyed it w/ Castellanos.
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Post by curbinmann on Aug 13, 2023 14:49:27 GMT -5
I’m in the minority but I’d stand pat on the starters. We are building something here that can possibly be special. A frontline rental is gonna cost Marte or Stand or Steer or more. Unless they have inside info that Greene and Lodolo won’t return this year. I just can’t see even with a frontline starter having enough to compete for a title this year. Now if per Se we could trade and sign aguy say Lucas Gilito or Shane Bieber then all bets are off, I’d trade Marte and change for that, but I doubt Uncle Bob is going to sign a $125 million or more contract like Seattle did to justify Castillo trade. I would like to see the reds pick up 2 relievers. 1 that is a left handed that is good enough to trust late with a 1 run lead. And 2 a guy who can go multiple innings and maybe be an opener. I haven’t heard anything on Teejay Antone, but I doubt his elbow can hold up to the spin rate he generates. In case Uncle Bob reads this, I will take 50% of Kralls salary. I hate being right, everyone saying the reds needed starters when if fact it was painfully obvious they needed 2 or 3 relievers.
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Post by jeremiah on Aug 14, 2023 7:08:23 GMT -5
True. Our starters only pitch 4-7 innings every 5 days. Our bullpen everyday, usually half the game.
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Post by Dustrated on Aug 16, 2023 11:33:21 GMT -5
True. Our starters only pitch 4-7 innings every 5 days. Our bullpen everyday, usually half the game. Huh? You realize a starting pitcher on average pitches 3x the innings of a relief pitcher over 162 games. All relief pitchers were starting pitchers at one time and they failed. If we were to grab a starting pitcher, we can take our worst starter who will pitch 180 innings in a season and shave that down to 60 innings by placing him in the bullpen where he will likely perform better now. If we were to replace Luke Weaver and his 97 innings of 6.87 ERA baseball, we would improve more than replacing someone who is going to give us 34 innings in the same timeframe. Math...
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Post by jeremiah on Aug 17, 2023 8:00:05 GMT -5
True. Our starters only pitch 4-7 innings every 5 days. Our bullpen everyday, usually half the game. Huh? You realize a starting pitcher on average pitches 3x the innings of a relief pitcher over 162 games. All relief pitchers were starting pitchers at one time and they failed. If we were to grab a starting pitcher, we can take our worst starter who will pitch 180 innings in a season and shave that down to 60 innings by placing him in the bullpen where he will likely perform better now. If we were to replace Luke Weaver and his 97 innings of 6.87 ERA baseball, we would improve more than replacing someone who is going to give us 34 innings in the same timeframe. Math... My point was the rest inbetween. Bullpen relievers are throwing too often, too many days in a row. Starters can handle more than 4-7 innings every 5 days. Just look at baseball history. Pulling them out early at the first sign of trouble is a pitching philosophy I don't agree with.
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