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Post by Dustrated on Aug 19, 2023 10:48:57 GMT -5
Huh? You realize a starting pitcher on average pitches 3x the innings of a relief pitcher over 162 games. All relief pitchers were starting pitchers at one time and they failed. If we were to grab a starting pitcher, we can take our worst starter who will pitch 180 innings in a season and shave that down to 60 innings by placing him in the bullpen where he will likely perform better now. If we were to replace Luke Weaver and his 97 innings of 6.87 ERA baseball, we would improve more than replacing someone who is going to give us 34 innings in the same timeframe. Math... My point was the rest inbetween. Bullpen relievers are throwing too often, too many days in a row. Starters can handle more than 4-7 innings every 5 days. Just look at baseball history. Pulling them out early at the first sign of trouble is a pitching philosophy I don't agree with. We need more innings out of the guys who pitch 180+ innings a year because going over 60 innings a year for a reliever is too much. Laughable. |
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Post by jeremiah on Aug 19, 2023 19:49:57 GMT -5
My point was the rest inbetween. Bullpen relievers are throwing too often, too many days in a row. Starters can handle more than 4-7 innings every 5 days. Just look at baseball history. Pulling them out early at the first sign of trouble is a pitching philosophy I don't agree with. We need more innings out of the guys who pitch 180+ innings a year because going over 60 innings a year for a reliever is too much. Laughable. Right. They should just turn our starters into the bullpen and let the bullpen start every game. Then the starters can go 3 or 4 innings and hand it over to the bullpen. Problem solved. |
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Post by Dustrated on Aug 19, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5
We need more innings out of the guys who pitch 180+ innings a year because going over 60 innings a year for a reliever is too much. Laughable. Right. They should just turn our starters into the bullpen and let the bullpen start every game. Then the starters can go 3 or 4 innings and hand it over to the bullpen. Problem solved. Man am I lost on this. If our starters are our bullpen how can they hand it over to the bullpen if the bullpen is now starting. Wouldn't our bullpen be handing it over to our starters? Or did the starters become the bullpen and you actually think starting bullpen guys can go 3 or 4 innings and then hand it over to our bullpen starters? |
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Post by IndiaCaravan on Aug 31, 2023 22:15:33 GMT -5
I think the stand-pat crowd generally won this thread. I suggested Chirinos who was was pretty bad for Atlanta then injured (bad ERA, decent xFIP) although they used him as a starter. I also suggested Nola but the Phillies hung on to him and he has pitched well. Giolito struggled so I got that one right. Bieber never came off injured list.
Marte and change for Bieber or Giolito resigning them wouldn't have worked out. David Peterson has had a good ERA and last start was strong but was his only of 5 innings or more. His walk and HR rates were uncharacteristically high so his FIP and xFIP were not so good. Lorenzen was 3-1 in August. He had two very good starts, 2 bad ones and one pretty good one. His FIP and xFIP were bad overall. His K to BB rate plummeted. It would have depended on how his performance landed with our offense.
Overall, I guess it shows how hard a GM's job is or maybe how hard it is to improve your chances of winning with a trade deadline trade, especially in a pitching-poor climate.
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Post by wilbo71 on Sept 3, 2023 14:41:27 GMT -5
Possible pitching targets?
Derek Law
Brett Kennedy
#Shootem
#JustKidding
#WellSorta
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