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Post by searay on Sept 23, 2020 9:19:48 GMT -5
So why is he pulling ads in key states? Between Aug. 10 and Sept. 7, Biden spent $97.7 million on broadcast and cable ads, while Trump spent $21.6 million, according to ad-tracking firm Advertising Analytics.
In some crucial battleground states Biden outspent Trump. In Wisconsin, Biden spent $9.2 million to Trump’s $1.5 million; in Florida, Biden spent $23.2 million to Trump’s $6.4 million; in Arizona, Biden spent $10 million compared to $1.4 million by Trump, and in North Carolina, Biden spent $11.5 million to Trump’s $3.7 million.Does that like a campain flush with money? A lot of reasons 1) Those states are a lost cause 2) Trump won last time spending much less and pompously thinks lightning will strike twice 3) Trump's got idiots running his campaign 4) He is short of money
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Post by searay on Sept 23, 2020 9:24:05 GMT -5
His campaign did have a massive shakeup lately due to the incompetence of how they've spent their money, and had to pull ad spending during August and September. They'll be on near equal footing with Biden in October though. I think this campaign will come down to the debates, not money. If Biden can avoid an obvious senior moment, I think he's an easy winner in November. If he gets flustered and discombobulated, things get real interesting. But it looks like Trump will get 3 folks on the SCOTUS. That's be his long lasting legacy and justify his election 3 yrs ago. I shutter to think what that court would look like if Hillary had named 3 justices
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Post by armo21 on Sept 23, 2020 9:24:26 GMT -5
Not sure I see Hypocrisy on the Dems here. They had a vacancy in March of an election year, the senates job was to vet the nominee that was put before them which usually takes on average 70 days. Mitch used his power to subvert that process. What I see now is the Republicans still have the power and are using it. If/When the Dems get the power this battle will continue. This is a perfect case of how government is not working for the people any longer, but working for special interests and money. If we don't vote, we get what we deserve, which is a non functioning, bloated, corrupt system of government. Like it or not, Republicans are the minority party with the population in this country, yet they hold procedural and financial capital. Their inability to appeal/include to a wider electorate may not catch up to them as they are yielding their power unchecked at unprecedented levels.
Lack of term limits, party in power, money and propaganda have led to this flashpoint in history. Not a dooms-dayer, but we are at a precarious time in this country.
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 23, 2020 11:44:43 GMT -5
No, the main difference between you and me is that you are a rhinoceros and I am not. Right-wing propaganda has you fully and completely in its grasp. When you buy into attacks on "truth" and "facts" and then willfully abandon logic and the ability to think critically, then you become completely untethered and without agency. If you become unmoored from a grounding in fact and truth, then there is basically nothing that is implausible or impossible. You surrender your agency and become the plaything of the propagandist, who manipulates and uses you to accomplish his own self-serving goals. Propaganda and attacks on truth are why we have a disturbingly large segment of the population who believe in conspiracy theories like QAnon, which alleges that the world is run by a secret cabal of Satan-worshiping Democrats and Hollywood celebrities who are engaged in wide-scale child trafficking, pedophilia, and cannibalism. As bizarre as it is to write out the description of the QAnon conspiracy theory, it is even more bizarre to think of how many Americans actually believe it. Seriously, how could anyone believe that??? Because of propaganda. Propaganda operates through repetition. Drip, drip, drip. It seeks to muddy the waters to obscure truth/facts to the point where any idea, no matter how ludicrous, can be deemed believable. In such a post-truth environment, holding someone accountable for misdeeds is impossible. Propaganda is a tool that can be deployed to advance any ideology or political party. The following excerpt speaks to how the Nazis used propaganda to "untether" people. The modern day Republicans obviously aren't Nazis and, in point of fact, they actually have no real remaining political ideology or platform, but they have effectively weaponized propaganda against the American public to secure political power and the corrupt wealth that goes along with it. Propaganda is completely bizarre, but it's perfectly normal to those who yield to it. Sadly, that's where we are at in this current political climate: divided and living in entirely different realities.
Tragically, far too many Americans are now "caught in the mechanism," which was intentionally created by lies and propaganda that were, and are, disseminated by conservative media and the current administration. Propaganda can lure in anyone, regardless of how intelligent, educated, or wise, but if you want to avoid being transformed into a "giant horned beast" and completely surrendering your agency, then you have to actively guard against it and commit to a firm grounding in truth and fact.
Or, you could just permanently turn off Fox News....
How is right wing propaganda telling me that Republicans are hypocrites and "we're not getting logical consistency from them"? Are you not reading what I write? What you're writing does not mesh with what I've said in this thread. Consider this another reason why you're a lost cause when it comes to debating politics. Here, I'll dumb it down for you: I can see fault on both sides of the aisle. You can't. People like you think there's an angelic party and a party of Satan. I don't see it that way. I see many similarities between the parties. Neither has morals. They all are power hungry. Neither cares about fiscal sanity. They both have more warts than attributes. I actually don't need anything to be dumbed down. I do agree that there is little point in debating politics with you, but it's because you don't argue (in the logical reasoning sense, rather than the Jerry Springer sense) in good faith. I provide counterpoints and counterarguments, but you don't engage with those arguments. Instead you talk past them and reject basic facts and rules of logic. You can't argue with someone who won't engage or, in good faith, follow rules of logic. There's no hypocrisy in this instance on the part of the Democrats. Mitch McConnell and the Republicans violated longstanding governmental customs and norms by not holding a hearing on Obama's Supreme Court nominee. Those norms, frankly, no longer exist. The circumstances have been altered by the previous actions of the Republicans. It's not the same situation as before. Republicans changed it. As a result, it is disingenuous and bad faith to now argue that the Democrats are being hypocritical regarding RBG's seat. Customs and norms only work when both sides agree to follow them. You can't have one side violate them and expect the other to continue to abide by them. It's a straightforward point that you are either (a) refusing to acknowledge because that is how modern conservatives roll, or (b) failing to understand because you are drowning in right wing propaganda to such an extent that you can't even see clearly. But, if you want to dumb something down for me, then why don't you type out a clear and concise explanation for how exactly Democrats are being "hypocritical" regarding Supreme Court nominations? I don't need a Brietbart link or a video clip, just your explanation of the purported hypocrisy.
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Post by searay on Sept 23, 2020 13:46:17 GMT -5
Not sure I see Hypocrisy on the Dems here. They had a vacancy in March of an election year, the senates job was to vet the nominee that was put before them which usually takes on average 70 days. Mitch used his power to subvert that process. What I see now is the Republicans still have the power and are using it. If/When the Dems get the power this battle will continue. This is a perfect case of how government is not working for the people any longer, but working for special interests and money. If we don't vote, we get what we deserve, which is a non functioning, bloated, corrupt system of government. Like it or not, Republicans are the minority party with the population in this country, yet they hold procedural and financial capital. Their inability to appeal/include to a wider electorate may not catch up to them as they are yielding their power unchecked at unprecedented levels. Lack of term limits, party in power, money and propaganda have led to this flashpoint in history. Not a dooms-dayer, but we are at a precarious time in this country. Did you see the 2 min video that I posted? It was chock full of quotes from Dems about how it was the Constitutional duty of a President to nominate a Justice and for the Senate to have a vote. They are not singing that tune now.
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Post by searay on Sept 23, 2020 13:51:10 GMT -5
Lark, we agree on three things here:
1) The Republicans are definitely guilty of hypocrisy 2) You know your baseball 3) You do a great job of moderating/running a site
My only complaint is why do you leave that Viet Namese Casino crap up?
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 23, 2020 15:03:01 GMT -5
Lark, we agree on three things here: 1) The Republicans are definitely guilty of hypocrisy 2) You know your baseball 3) You do a great job of moderating/running a site My only complaint is why do you leave that Viet Namese Casino crap up? I can't delete it from my phone. Have to wait until I get back to my computer. It'll be gone at that point.
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Post by armo21 on Sept 23, 2020 19:28:50 GMT -5
Not sure I see Hypocrisy on the Dems here. They had a vacancy in March of an election year, the senates job was to vet the nominee that was put before them which usually takes on average 70 days. Mitch used his power to subvert that process. What I see now is the Republicans still have the power and are using it. If/When the Dems get the power this battle will continue. This is a perfect case of how government is not working for the people any longer, but working for special interests and money. If we don't vote, we get what we deserve, which is a non functioning, bloated, corrupt system of government. Like it or not, Republicans are the minority party with the population in this country, yet they hold procedural and financial capital. Their inability to appeal/include to a wider electorate may not catch up to them as they are yielding their power unchecked at unprecedented levels. Lack of term limits, party in power, money and propaganda have led to this flashpoint in history. Not a dooms-dayer, but we are at a precarious time in this country. Did you see the 2 min video that I posted? It was chock full of quotes from Dems about how it was the Constitutional duty of a President to nominate a Justice and for the Senate to have a vote. They are not singing that tune now. Do you understand why? Mitch McConnel had the power and used it in 2016, he refused to allow the Senate to vet Obama's choice in 2016. As the party in power in the Senate he made up new rules/norms, that in an election year, SCOTUS nominations should happen after election. Fast forward to 2020 and the hypocrisy of Republicans is in full view. All these shitbags: Mitch, Cotton, Cruz, Graham and co. are doing what they do exercise their power for special interests including the immoral religious right, the biggest F*cking hypocrites of all. The lines are drawn. If the republicans lose the Presidency and the Senate, the gloves come off and the Dems are going to punish them: pack the court, DC and Puerto Rico become states, new rules regarding Presidential Authority, probably goodbye to Electoral College, remove the filibuster . If the Republicans win the elections, the minority party will have the power and our Republic will be ruled by Authoritarianism. The divides in race, wealth, politics will be greater than ever. Your clip misses the point completely. The democrats in your clip are saying that in 2016, Mitch was making up rules because he had the power. Now he still has the power and changed the rules again, candlestick-move. If the Dems did this the Teabaggers would go ape-Fecal Matter.
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 23, 2020 19:51:59 GMT -5
Did you see the 2 min video that I posted? It was chock full of quotes from Dems about how it was the Constitutional duty of a President to nominate a Justice and for the Senate to have a vote. They are not singing that tune now. Do you understand why? Mitch McConnel had the power and used it in 2016, he refused to allow the Senate to vet Obama's choice in 2016. As the party in power in the Senate he made up new rules/norms, that in an election year, SCOTUS nominations should happen after election. Fast forward to 2020 and the hypocrisy of Republicans is in full view. All these shitbags: Mitch, Cotton, Cruz, Graham and co. are doing what they do exercise their power for special interests including the immoral religious right, the biggest F*cking hypocrites of all. The lines are drawn. If the republicans lose the Presidency and the Senate, the gloves come off and the Dems are going to punish them: pack the court, DC and Puerto Rico become states, new rules regarding Presidential Authority, probably goodbye to Electoral College, remove the filibuster . If the Republicans win the elections, the minority party will have the power and our Republic will be ruled by Authoritarianism. The divides in race, wealth, politics will be greater than ever. Your clip misses the point completely. The democrats in your clip are saying that in 2016, Mitch was making up rules because he had the power. Now he still has the power and changed the rules again, candlestick-move. If the Dems did this the Teabaggers would go ape-Fecal Matter. ^^^This.^^^
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Post by bobroberts on Sept 23, 2020 20:24:49 GMT -5
Did you see the 2 min video that I posted? It was chock full of quotes from Dems about how it was the Constitutional duty of a President to nominate a Justice and for the Senate to have a vote. They are not singing that tune now. Do you understand why? Mitch McConnel had the power and used it in 2016, he refused to allow the Senate to vet Obama's choice in 2016. As the party in power in the Senate he made up new rules/norms, that in an election year, SCOTUS nominations should happen after election. Fast forward to 2020 and the hypocrisy of Republicans is in full view. All these shitbags: Mitch, Cotton, Cruz, Graham and co. are doing what they do exercise their power for special interests including the immoral religious right, the biggest F*cking hypocrites of all. The lines are drawn. If the republicans lose the Presidency and the Senate, the gloves come off and the Dems are going to punish them: pack the court, DC and Puerto Rico become states, new rules regarding Presidential Authority, probably goodbye to Electoral College, remove the filibuster . If the Republicans win the elections, the minority party will have the power and our Republic will be ruled by Authoritarianism. The divides in race, wealth, politics will be greater than ever. Your clip misses the point completely. The democrats in your clip are saying that in 2016, Mitch was making up rules because he had the power. Now he still has the power and changed the rules again, candlestick-move. If the Dems did this the Teabaggers would go ape-Fecal Matter. You're giving the Dems to much credit. Last time they had real power they bent over backwards to try and compromise with Republicans, which is why ObamaCare became a shell of its original intent. And BTW, the tea party will go ape Fecal Matter about anything, it must suck to live in that very very angry bubble.
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Post by searay on Sept 24, 2020 9:14:49 GMT -5
Did you see the 2 min video that I posted? It was chock full of quotes from Dems about how it was the Constitutional duty of a President to nominate a Justice and for the Senate to have a vote. They are not singing that tune now. Do you understand why? Mitch McConnel had the power and used it in 2016, he refused to allow the Senate to vet Obama's choice in 2016. As the party in power in the Senate he made up new rules/norms, that in an election year, SCOTUS nominations should happen after election. Fast forward to 2020 and the hypocrisy of Republicans is in full view. All these shitbags: Mitch, Cotton, Cruz, Graham and co. are doing what they do exercise their power for special interests including the immoral religious right, the biggest F*cking hypocrites of all. The lines are drawn. If the republicans lose the Presidency and the Senate, the gloves come off and the Dems are going to punish them: pack the court, DC and Puerto Rico become states, new rules regarding Presidential Authority, probably goodbye to Electoral College, remove the filibuster . If the Republicans win the elections, the minority party will have the power and our Republic will be ruled by Authoritarianism. The divides in race, wealth, politics will be greater than ever. Your clip misses the point completely. The democrats in your clip are saying that in 2016, Mitch was making up rules because he had the power. Now he still has the power and changed the rules again, candlestick-move. If the Dems did this the Teabaggers would go ape-Fecal Matter. You are talking political strategy and looking at your crystal ball as to what will happen in the future. I'm dealing in the here and now. This is what Joe Biden said in 2016: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8752197/Joe-Biden-said-2016-presidents-constitutional-duty-SCOTUS-seat.htmlThat's not the tune he's singing now. That's hypocritical. Even the liberal USA Today rates as true that Chuck Schumer has hypocritically changed positions since 2016: www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/21/fact-check-chuck-shumer-statements-court-vacancies/5859052002/If you want to discuss future politics, that's fine, but let's first establish that the Democrats have been hypocritical on this. If you can't do that then you're not reasonable enough to have a discussion on this Ginsberg herself said this in 2016: www.foxnews.com/politics/flashback-in-2016-ginsburg-senate-election-year-vacancyThere's hypocrisy on both sides. That's politics
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Post by armo21 on Sept 25, 2020 20:18:43 GMT -5
Searay, Of course there is Hypocrisy in Politics. I respect you enough to have dialogue about this with you. So I will break it down this way "You are talking political strategy and looking at your crystal ball as to what will happen in the future. I'm dealing in the here and now. This is what Joe Biden said in 2016:" The problem as I stated before is that Mitch McConnell lied to the American people and in fact last year admitted that he lied about the reasoning for not vetting Merritt Garland or any nominee that Obama put forward. Now with less time on the election calendar and barely the time the normal confirmation process takes (70 days). Mitch is going to ram a nominee through. Here is why Dems are mad. www.monroenews.com/opinion/20191203/letter-more-broken-promises-from-gopAmong Republicans, the value of the will of the American people seems to have dramatically declined during the past four years. In 2016, after Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, when asked about filling Scalia’s seat, said, “Of course the American people should have a say in the court’s direction. It is a president’s constitutional right to nominate a Supreme Court justice, and it is the Senate’s constitutional right to act as a check on the president and withhold its consent.” Shortly after McConnell’s announcement, 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee issued a statement pledging that no Obama nominee would get their approval. Later, when President Obama nominated Merritt Garland, Senate Republicans refused to hold any hearings to consider his nomination. This boiled down to Republican refusal to consider any Obama nomination during an election year. However, now, about four years later, at a Chamber of Commerce luncheon in Kentucky on Nov. 25, 2019, McConnell was asked, “Should a Supreme Court justice die next year, what will your position be on filling that spot?” McConnell’s response: “Oh, we’d fill it.” So, the 2016 rationale was a lie. We suspected it at the time and now McConnell has confirmed our suspicions. These kinds of lies and abuses of power represent the swamp that Trump promised to drain, but what we get is just another broken promise. Frank Barefield This response was picked up by every credible news organization. It is on video. "If you want to discuss future politics, that's fine, but let's first establish that the Democrats have been hypocritical on this. If you can't do that then you're not reasonable enough to have a discussion on this" As far as my crystal ball, OK I am speculating on what will happen. I don't want to see the Dems do these things, just like I don't want to see Mitch pull the SH*T he is. Have the Dems tried to do what Mitch did and is doing? From my seat, this is another problem with the political power and how it is being used. You want me to agree the Dems are being Hypocritical so we can have a real discussion. OK the Dems are being Hypocritcal. Now will you conceed Mitch McConnell used his power then and is using it now to further advance an agenda that is not what the majority of the population of the US wants?
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Post by armo21 on Sept 25, 2020 22:26:24 GMT -5
On second thought....the Dems are not being Hypocritical on this issue....you are threatening to "take your ball and go home" if I don't concede to your point when I have given you a valid counterpoint/argument to your hypothesis. I merely want to continue the (game) discussion. I think you are incorrect. What the Dems said in 2016 was based on the rules the Senate had played by up to that point. President nominates, senate vets and votes. The Senate sited new rules in 2016 and now in 2020 they refuse to play by those rules because they have the majority and can get away with it. So now the Republicans trot out the argument the Dems used in 2016 to justify what they are doing now? You don't see the problem with that? And that is what you are using to say the Dems are being hypocritical by showing those clips.
Searay, I have presented you with facts and evidence that your hypothesis is flatly wrong. For you to say "let's first establish that the Democrats have been hypocritical on this. If you can't do that then you're not reasonable enough to have a discussion on this" This is basically saying you are right and I am wrong and If I won't admit to that then I am not worth engaging with. Come on man, If that is how you want to make your point and then not debate this topic then I have to tell you I think that is just wrong.
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Post by searay on Sept 26, 2020 10:00:35 GMT -5
You've presented very few if any facts. You've put links up and given your opinion. You stated that Mitch McConnell lied but you never stated exactly what he said that was a lie. You merely linked an editorial. But once again, all you're doing here is pettyfogging the issue. I have stated many times that Republicans are being hypocritical. That's not good enough for you. You also want to call them liars I guess. What good does that do? You want me to respond with calling Schumer and Biden liars too? Where does that get us?
No, both parties have completely flipped their positions since 2016. That's hypocritical
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Post by armo21 on Sept 26, 2020 12:37:08 GMT -5
You've presented very few if any facts. You've put links up and given your opinion. You stated that Mitch McConnell lied but you never stated exactly what he said that was a lie. You merely linked an editorial. But once again, all you're doing here is pettyfogging the issue. I have stated many times that Republicans are being hypocritical. That's not good enough for you. You also want to call them liars I guess. What good does that do? You want me to respond with calling Schumer and Biden liars too? Where does that get us? No, both parties have completely flipped their positions since 2016. That's hypocritical First there are facts that are established in the "editorial" I showed you. FACT 1. In 2016, after Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia died, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, when asked about filling Scalia’s seat, said, “Of course the American people should have a say in the court’s direction. It is a president’s constitutional right to nominate a Supreme Court justice, and it is the Senate’s constitutional right to act as a check on the president and withhold its consent.” Shortly after McConnell’s announcement, 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee issued a statement pledging that no Obama nominee would get their approval. Later, when President Obama nominated Merritt Garland, Senate Republicans refused to hold any hearings to consider his nomination. FACT 2. This boiled down to Republican refusal to consider any Obama nomination during an election year. However, now, about four years later, at a Chamber of Commerce luncheon in Kentucky on Nov. 25, 2019, McConnell was asked, “Should a Supreme Court justice die next year, what will your position be on filling that spot?” McConnell’s response: “Oh, we’d fill it.” This was quick clear and concise article on what had transpired in 2016 and then in 2019 what Mitch said. As I mentioned this was picked up by virtually every national media outlet and is on video of Mitch being very smug about how he used his power and told everyone how he would use it if he had the chance to in 2020. You can't use what was said by Dems in 2016 as evidence against them today when they were arguing that what the Republicans were doing in 2016 was not fair. Fast forward to today and the Republicans want to use the rules prior to 2016 now the old rules suit the republicans. So, you trot out those old clips and say "see the Dems are hypocrites", total BS. Have the Dems flipped their position or are they asking the Republicans to adhere to the rules/standards they cited when they refused to vet Obama's nomination with a BS new rule? This is the problem in America---Power who has it, how they use it and why. It's your ball, if you want to take and go home, I cannot stop you. The Dems cannot stop the republicans on this issue. But for the Republicans to justify changing the rules based on what the Dems asked for in 2016 is wrong. This is what the Republicans are doing. If we are playing under the rules that Republicans cited in 2016, Mitch would say, lets wait until after the election. That is what the Dems are complaining about. You want to say that is Hypocritical of their position in 2016. I disagree.
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