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Ted Kluszewski
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Post by devils on Sept 5, 2015 14:06:55 GMT -5
It don't matter where they bat him in the order he drops off in average a bit then they drop him to 7th in the order!! Now he's getting hot again he should be hitting 2nd,3rd,or 5th his bat is to good to be hitting below 5th!!
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Post by psuhistory on Sept 15, 2015 10:56:54 GMT -5
Reds' Price Hints Cozart, Suarez Will Be 'Regulars' John Fay, Enquirer, 9/14/2015
SAN FRANCISCO — Reds manager Bryan Price is never one to reveal too much about his plans too far in advance. But he had an interesting answer to the Eugenio Suarez-Zack Cozart question.
"I think about it quite often," Price said. "It's a nice problem to have. I'll probably have more to say when we get closer to spring training. But I think they both fit in our ball club as regulars."
Suarez, of course, has been playing shortstop since Cozart had a season-ending knee injury on June 10. Cozart is the better defender.
For both to be regulars, it would likely place Suarez in left field. The 24-year-old could also play second base or third base, but with Brandon Phillips and Todd Frazier both signed for 2016, that is not a possibility – barring a trade.
Suarez says he's fine with playing another position.
"I just want to play in the major leagues," he said. "I think I could do it, play left."
The Reds got Suarez in the trade with Detroit of Alfredo Simon. Suarez went into Monday's game against the San Francisco Giants hitting .285 with 11 home runs and 44 RBI. He had played in 80 games, so that projects to 22 home runs and 88 RBI over a full season.
"He's been terrific," Price said. "I think the reason he was so attractive to us in the trade was because he felt, if something did happen to Zack Cozart, he could step right in immediately and be an everyday shortstop. He has not disappointed.
"He had one little spell shortly after he came up, where, defensively, he had a string of mistakes. Since then, he's been really good. He's been very reliable at short."
Despite Suarez's willingness to play anywhere, his greatest value is at shortstop. Cozart will be arbitration-eligible for the second time after this season. He's making $2.35 million this year. He'll likely get at least $4 million in '16 and would be due to make up to $8 million in '17, depending on his numbers.
Suarez has exceeded the Reds' expectations offensively, too.
"The offense has been better here than at any other place," Price said, "better than anywhere else in the minor leagues, better than any time last year with Detroit. He's hit better in the major leagues than he hit at Triple-A Louisville.
"And he's been a run producer – extra-base hits, not just homers, but doubles. He's scoring runs, driving in runs and hitting all over the lineup. It's been a very impressive run for this kid."
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 15, 2015 14:14:53 GMT -5
Suarez's footwork at shortstop is suboptimal, but I'm not wild about the hit to his value that comes from moving him away from the middle infield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 14:53:43 GMT -5
Suarez's footwork at shortstop is suboptimal, but I'm not wild about the hit to his value that comes from moving him away from the middle infield. I don't understand where the controversy is here. Cozart needs to prove he is healthy in order to be a tradeable commodity. Cozart is a defense first shortstop and always will be. In order to give him time to prove his health you move Suarez off his position temporarily until Cozart is moved or proves he isn't healthy, then Suarez is the SS. btw, if anyone is even paying any attention, as soon as the majority of folks have started coming around that Suarez isn't as bad defensively as the early indications were, he goes out last night and commits two errors that led to two unearned runs. So he is still a work in progress, as lots of young shortstops are.
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 15, 2015 14:59:12 GMT -5
Suarez's footwork at shortstop is suboptimal, but I'm not wild about the hit to his value that comes from moving him away from the middle infield. I don't understand where the controversy is here. Cozart needs to prove he is healthy in order to be a tradeable commodity. Cozart is a defense first shortstop and always will be. In order to give him time to prove his health you move Suarez off his position temporarily until Cozart is moved or proves he isn't healthy, then Suarez is the SS. btw, if anyone is even paying any attention, as soon as the majority of folks have started coming around that Suarez isn't as bad defensively as the early indications were, he goes out last night and commits two errors that led to two unearned runs. So he is still a work in progress, as lots of young shortstops are. It's a knee injury, does Cozart really need to log MLB innings to drive his trade value back to its lofty perch? Aren't knee injuries commonplace enough and Cozart's perfomance level established enough that we could still move him this offseason? Do we really need to trot him out there for two months to prove his Cozartiness?
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Post by redsfanman on Sept 15, 2015 15:49:24 GMT -5
I agree with Lark, I think once Cozart completes his rehab, passes physicals, and plays a few spring training games teams will be comfortable deciding his health. I think the window to trade him opens with spring training, for that reason.
Also, even if Cozart were healthy, few teams would target him as a big offseason acquisition. In that same time period, spring training, guys often get hurt and leave teams scrambling... that'd be the best time to trade Cozart. Heck, a spring injury on the Reds to Votto, Frazier, or Phillips would open infield spots for both Cozart and Suarez.
Cozart isn't going to bring a huge trade return, whether he has zero exhibition games or two months of regular season games showing to the world that his knee is 100%.
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 15, 2015 16:37:40 GMT -5
I agree with Lark, I think once Cozart completes his rehab, passes physicals, and plays a few spring training games teams will be comfortable deciding his health. I think the window to trade him opens with spring training, for that reason. Also, even if Cozart were healthy, few teams would target him as a big offseason acquisition. In that same time period, spring training, guys often get hurt and leave teams scrambling... that'd be the best time to trade Cozart. Heck, a spring injury on the Reds to Votto, Frazier, or Phillips would open infield spots for both Cozart and Suarez. Cozart isn't going to bring a huge trade return, whether he has zero exhibition games or two months of regular season games showing to the world that his knee is 100%. Yeah, I suspect the larger question is organizational intent. Are we committed to moving Cozart? The injury seems almost secondary. Hell, reports had us almost dealing for a "still recovering from TJ" Zach Wheeler, which seems to be far riskier than a knee injury.
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Post by yorak on Sept 17, 2015 9:56:45 GMT -5
Play Cozart in RF, he's better than Jay Bruce.
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Post by mackenzie45220 on Sept 20, 2015 8:22:27 GMT -5
Play Cozart in RF, he's better than Jay Bruce. But the best option we would have in left field would be Bruce if we did that. You do realize that we've been starting Skip Schumacher, Ivan DeJesus, and Brennan Boesch in left field the last few weeks?
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Post by mackenzie45220 on Sept 20, 2015 9:41:04 GMT -5
This is a really tough decision. Looking back, Suarez' old minor league scouting reports confuse me so much. The consensus was that he should be able to stick at shortstop and be an average defender at the position, that he will probably make the majors, but he does have to stick at shortstop because he probably doesn't have the power to play any position that isn't middle of the diamond. They said he didn't have a ton of bat speed or strength; but hey, what would you expect from a guy who is 180lbs? But the weird thing is, even at the minor league level, he hit for a lot more power than everyone thought he would be able to. Kind of reminds me of Seth Mejias-Brean in that respect; every scouting report said no power, but he got extra base hits at an average to mediocre rate. Not counting Suarez' first two seasons in the VSL where he was probably a skinny 17/18 year old kid who hadn't developed his body yet, over the course of his minor league career, he averaged 14 home runs, 39 doubles, and 6.8 triples per 162 games. And it's continued in the majors, where he has 15 homers in 162 games (there have been fewer doubles). That's 50 power on the 20-80 scale. Michael Brantley has hit extra base hits at basically the exact same frequency throughout his MLB career (Suarez is actually slightly better in every area). Brantley has a slightly better hit tool than Suarez, but still; if Brantley can be an above average left fielder with his bat, Suarez can be an average left fielder with his bat. On the downside, an excellent walk rate was something Suarez consistently displayed at the minor league level but hasn't manifested itself in the majors. I don't know. If he can maintain this power that nobody who has ever watched him thinks he has (and, for the record, 7 of his 11 homers this season have been away from GABP), maybe as a bonus walk a bit more like he did in the minors, he could be a solid everyday left fielder. If much of the power he has shown has been one gigantic fluke, well, then he needs to get better with the glove and draw some of the walks he used to in the minors.
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Post by redsfanman on Sept 20, 2015 10:08:29 GMT -5
This is a really tough decision. Looking back, Suarez' old minor league scouting reports confuse me so much. The consensus was that he should be able to stick at shortstop and be an average defender at the position, that he will probably make the majors, but he does have to stick at shortstop because he probably doesn't have the power to play any position that isn't middle of the diamond. They said he didn't have a ton of bat speed or strength; but hey, what would you expect from a guy who is 180lbs? But the weird thing is, even at the minor league level, he hit for a lot more power than everyone thought he would be able to. Kind of reminds me of Seth Mejias-Brean in that respect; every scouting report said no power, but he got extra base hits at an average to mediocre rate. Not counting Suarez' first two seasons in the VSL where he was probably a skinny 17/18 year old kid who hadn't developed his body yet, over the course of his minor league career, he averaged 14 home runs, 39 doubles, and 6.8 triples per 162 games. And it's continued in the majors, where he has 15 homers in 162 games (there have been fewer doubles). That's 50 power on the 20-80 scale. Michael Brantley has hit extra base hits at basically the exact same frequency throughout his MLB career (Suarez is actually slightly better in every area). Brantley has a slightly better hit tool than Suarez, but still; if Brantley can be an above average left fielder with his bat, Suarez can be an average left fielder with his bat. On the downside, an excellent walk rate was something Suarez consistently displayed at the minor league level but hasn't manifested itself in the majors. I don't know. If he can maintain this power that nobody who has ever watched him thinks he has (and, for the record, 7 of his 11 homers this season have been away from GABP), maybe as a bonus walk a bit more like he did in the minors, he could be a solid everyday left fielder. If much of the power he has shown has been one gigantic fluke, well, then he needs to get better with the glove and draw some of the walks he used to in the minors. The scouting reports suggest Suarez has the arm and the range to play SS, but his real problem has just been errors on bumbled balls hit right at him. Yeah, Suarez doesn't have a lot of power except as a middle infielder, although power numbers and expectations are dropping around baseball. It'll be interesting to see if his homerun numbers repeat next year, or if they drop now that the NL is familiar with him. In a lot of ways I think Suarez resembles Brandon Phillips. Power, hitting for average, low walk totals, speed... in my opinion Phillips' slick fielding plays and knowledge of how to steal bases (which he suddenly demonstrated this year) are the biggest differences. Even if Suarez hits well LF is only a temporary solution for him, until Jesse Winker comes up. Then what? Suarez returns to SS, now out of practice? This team has looked for a SS-of-the-future and LF-of-the-future for years, and it seems like a crazy idea to sidetrack either. Build around the young guys, don't build the young guys around the temporary needs of a 90-something loss team.
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Post by mackenzie45220 on Sept 20, 2015 11:32:58 GMT -5
This is a really tough decision. Looking back, Suarez' old minor league scouting reports confuse me so much. The consensus was that he should be able to stick at shortstop and be an average defender at the position, that he will probably make the majors, but he does have to stick at shortstop because he probably doesn't have the power to play any position that isn't middle of the diamond. They said he didn't have a ton of bat speed or strength; but hey, what would you expect from a guy who is 180lbs? But the weird thing is, even at the minor league level, he hit for a lot more power than everyone thought he would be able to. Kind of reminds me of Seth Mejias-Brean in that respect; every scouting report said no power, but he got extra base hits at an average to mediocre rate. Not counting Suarez' first two seasons in the VSL where he was probably a skinny 17/18 year old kid who hadn't developed his body yet, over the course of his minor league career, he averaged 14 home runs, 39 doubles, and 6.8 triples per 162 games. And it's continued in the majors, where he has 15 homers in 162 games (there have been fewer doubles). That's 50 power on the 20-80 scale. Michael Brantley has hit extra base hits at basically the exact same frequency throughout his MLB career (Suarez is actually slightly better in every area). Brantley has a slightly better hit tool than Suarez, but still; if Brantley can be an above average left fielder with his bat, Suarez can be an average left fielder with his bat. On the downside, an excellent walk rate was something Suarez consistently displayed at the minor league level but hasn't manifested itself in the majors. I don't know. If he can maintain this power that nobody who has ever watched him thinks he has (and, for the record, 7 of his 11 homers this season have been away from GABP), maybe as a bonus walk a bit more like he did in the minors, he could be a solid everyday left fielder. If much of the power he has shown has been one gigantic fluke, well, then he needs to get better with the glove and draw some of the walks he used to in the minors. The scouting reports suggest Suarez has the arm and the range to play SS, but his real problem has just been errors on bumbled balls hit right at him. Yeah, Suarez doesn't have a lot of power except as a middle infielder, although power numbers and expectations are dropping around baseball. It'll be interesting to see if his homerun numbers repeat next year, or if they drop now that the NL is familiar with him. In a lot of ways I think Suarez resembles Brandon Phillips. Power, hitting for average, low walk totals, speed... in my opinion Phillips' slick fielding plays and knowledge of how to steal bases (which he suddenly demonstrated this year) are the biggest differences. Even if Suarez hits well LF is only a temporary solution for him, until Jesse Winker comes up. Then what? Suarez returns to SS, now out of practice? This team has looked for a SS-of-the-future and LF-of-the-future for years, and it seems like a crazy idea to sidetrack either. Build around the young guys, don't build the young guys around the temporary needs of a 90-something loss team. One difference between him and Phillips is that Suarez walked a lot in the minors, and he walked a fair amount last year too. 2015 is the only season in which Suarez hasn't walked a ton. Phillips has more power, he's hit 30 homers before, Suarez just has a lot more power than his 5'10, 180lbs with little bat speed profile suggests. It would be interesting to see if Suarez' walk rate ever returns.
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Ted Kluszewski
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Post by devils on Oct 3, 2015 1:42:26 GMT -5
This kid just continues to be productive at the dish!! Since we have to have his stick in the lineup I would like to see him in the 2 hole in the lineup!
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