|
Post by dmbongreyst on May 17, 2018 9:54:48 GMT -5
New Keith Law Mock: 5. Cincinnati Reds: Brady Singer, RHP, Florida This is where it starts to open up a little bit. I've heard the Reds associated with Madrigal, Swaggerty, Bohm and, of course, with Bart or Mize if either gets here (and I doubt either does today), and even with Liberatore and Noah Naylor. I like it. Singer seems like a fast mover, relatively low floor, good health... Someone get me real pumped about him. I hope you mean high floor
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 17, 2018 13:17:50 GMT -5
I like it. Singer seems like a fast mover, relatively low floor, good health... Someone get me real pumped about him. I hope you mean high floor Correct. youtu.be/g_bqANUzY1ENot a fan of those mechanics long term.
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 18, 2018 14:09:41 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by The Duke on May 18, 2018 23:14:28 GMT -5
New Keith Law Mock: 5. Cincinnati Reds: Brady Singer, RHP, Florida This is where it starts to open up a little bit. I've heard the Reds associated with Madrigal, Swaggerty, Bohm and, of course, with Bart or Mize if either gets here (and I doubt either does today), and even with Liberatore and Noah Naylor. I like it. Singer seems like a fast mover, relatively low floor, good health... Someone get me real pumped about him. Uh, I think he's a poor man's Mike Leake, exciting enough?
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 19, 2018 9:08:40 GMT -5
I like it. Singer seems like a fast mover, relatively low floor, good health... Someone get me real pumped about him. Uh, I think he's a poor man's Mike Leake, exciting enough? Pass. Still living on a prayer for Madrigal.
|
|
|
Post by floydgator on May 21, 2018 21:00:17 GMT -5
Singer named pitcher of the year in the SEC. he will win twice as many games in the big leagues as mike Leake, though he will hit much much worse. That’s probably not enough muches
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 22, 2018 10:12:56 GMT -5
www.baseballamerica.com/stories/cincinnati-reds-mlb-draft-history-and-projections/I'm 100% out on Singer. I don't like his arm action. I'd easily take Liberatore and Stewart over him. My board is fairly locked in: 1) Madrigal: I never pass on that high of a hit grade at a premium defensive position. 2) Mize: Obvious reasons 3) Liberatore: LHP with a phenomenal delivery and frame. I like grouping prospects in "waves" and he and Greene would hit the MLB at the same time (in theory). 4) Bart: Not feeling a catcher at 5, but he's too good to be lower. 5) India: Madrigal with less of a track record. 6s) Stewart, Swaggerty... Both fine options. If I change anything it will be between these two and India.
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 23, 2018 8:00:12 GMT -5
If we wanted to do something interesting, cutting a deal with Hawkins would give us A LOT of money to spend the rest of the draft. Unfortunately, we don't have many picks, so this may not be the best plan.
|
|
|
Post by Lark11 on May 28, 2018 0:47:48 GMT -5
I've been doing the deep dive into the draft, gearing up, and I've gotta admit: I'm not sold on Nick Madrigal.
I've watched a couple of his games and he really didn't look that good. Of course, it's a very small sample size and maybe he was just off those games.
Quick initial impressions from those games:
**His swing mechanics are familiar. His swing loads like Mitch Haniger, with the leg kick and the bat tip. **There's no question that he loads well and generates a lot of force, but I'm less sold on how he unleashes that force. **His batting routine includes a half swing that finishes basically straight up, obviously he's trying to trigger an uppercut type swing/mindset. **In the field, his ready position seems fairly upright. He's not fluid in the Javy Baez sense, which, admittedly, is a very high standard. **His throws were fairly loopy. He often seemed to flip the ball over to first, though he did throw with more intent and arm strength on a turn of a double play. **He had a check swing or two on breaking pitches well off the plate, which he obviously didn't pick up very well or was simply suffering from a bad case of over-aggression.
I'm sure I'm wrong, but I have to wonder if we are now squinting too hard to try to see Jose Altuve outcomes in shorter prospects. At OSU, Madrigal's career BB% is 8.43, while his annual slash lines are as follows:
2016: .333/.380/.456 2017: .380/.449/.532 2018: .435/.496/.620
His walk rate is less than stellar, he doesn't steal bases at a very frequent clip, and I'm not sure what to expect of his power. So, are we talking about his hit tool being his main value driver? A batting average heavy profile? I guess if he hits for average and power, then that's enough, but frankly I'm not sure he measures up to last year's elite 2nd base prospect, Keston Hiura from UC Irvine.
I'll be taking a deeper look at Madrigal, but right now I'm not quite seeing it with him.
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 28, 2018 9:02:48 GMT -5
I've been doing the deep dive into the draft, gearing up, and I've gotta admit: I'm not sold on Nick Madrigal. I've watched a couple of his games and he really didn't look that good. Of course, it's a very small sample size and maybe he was just off those games. Quick initial impressions from those games: **His swing mechanics are familiar. His swing loads like Mitch Haniger, with the leg kick and the bat tip. **There's no question that he loads well and generates a lot of force, but I'm less sold on how he unleashes that force. **His batting routine includes a half swing that finishes basically straight up, obviously he's trying to trigger an uppercut type swing/mindset. **In the field, his ready position seems fairly upright. He's not fluid in the Javy Baez sense, which, admittedly, is a very high standard. **His throws were fairly loopy. He often seemed to flip the ball over to first, though he did throw with more intent and arm strength on a turn of a double play. **He had a check swing or two on breaking pitches well off the plate, which he obviously didn't pick up very well or was simply suffering from a bad case of over-aggression. I'm sure I'm wrong, but I have to wonder if we are now squinting too hard to try to see Jose Altuve outcomes in shorter prospects. At OSU, Madrigal's career BB% is 8.43, while his annual slash lines are as follows: 2016: .333/.380/.456 2017: .380/.449/.532 2018: .435/.496/.620 His walk rate is less than stellar, he doesn't steal bases at a very frequent clip, and I'm not sure what to expect of his power. So, are we talking about his hit tool being his main value driver? A batting average heavy profile? I guess if he hits for average and power, then that's enough, but frankly I'm not sure he measures up to last year's elite 2nd base prospect, Keston Hiura from UC Irvine. I'll be taking a deeper look at Madrigal, but right now I'm not quite seeing it with him. That BA as a freshman in the PA 12 is what forces me to consider him the best option. Power takes care of itself at GABP. If he never does hit for power, he'll hopefully continue to he on base for other players with elevated power numbers then. His load is kinda funny, but he's super quick to the ball. No wasted movement after his load. I think he's a lock to contribute at the MLB level. That ridiculously high floor makes him my top guy. Although if I'm being honest... Liberatore is gaining a lot of momentum in my head.
|
|
|
Post by The Duke on May 29, 2018 23:41:46 GMT -5
Bart and India strike out a lot for college hitters who might go top 5. If I'm taking a bat that high, I want to see them walk more than they strike out, and by a good margin.
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 30, 2018 8:13:17 GMT -5
Bart and India strike out a lot for college hitters who might go top 5. If I'm taking a bat that high, I want to see them walk more than they strike out, and by a good margin. What's your top 5?
|
|
|
Post by redsfanman on May 31, 2018 18:09:04 GMT -5
After hearing more of the concerns about Jonathan India (after previously only hearing what seemed like unrestrained optimism) I'm a lot more skeptical about him, I didn't realize his strikeout problems.
I guess I'm back to preferring Brady Singer, who I think will be a solid MLB pitcher relatively quickly with relatively little to learn. What do the Reds need more than anything else? Starting pitching. He'll need some time, maybe a year to work his way up through the minors, but probably not radical development and drastic changes. Less to mess up, if you're pessimistic of the player development staff. Probably ready by early 2020.
I think Madrigal, despite Lark's concerns, would likely still fit in well with the Reds. I'm still curious how he'd look at SS or CF, as alternatives to 2b. If he DOES end up at 2b, that'll make an interesting situation for Suarez and Senzel.
LHP Matt Liberatore and RHP Carter Stewart have plenty of upside, but I'm just really concerned with the risk inherent to their demographic. Will they be a Homer Bailey or Robert Stephenson (you know, guys with great stuff who stayed healthy to reach the majors), or will they be a Chris Gruler or Nick Travieso (estimated), whose career collapsed due to injuries? Despite staying healthy Stephenson hasn't put it all together, would Liberatore and Stewart? It's risky, even with the good luck of staying healthy. And it'll take years and years and years (4+?) to find out, likely beyond the current rebuild.
|
|
|
Post by oldschoolstyle on May 31, 2018 19:50:53 GMT -5
Liberatore is a dif beast. I look at him and see a future Ace. Mechanics are better than Singer, measurables are better than Singer... I totally understand where you're coming from. But I trust my eyes. I think Liberatore and Greene could really work well together moving forward.
1) Madrigal 1a) Liberatore 3) Mize 4) Bart 5) HS under slot deal
What say you on your top 5?
|
|
Doom
Dante Bichette
Posts: 60
|
Post by Doom on May 31, 2018 20:24:32 GMT -5
Liberatore is a dif beast. I look at him and see a future Ace. Mechanics are better than Singer, measurables are better than Singer... I totally understand where you're coming from. But I trust my eyes. I think Liberatore and Greene could really work well together moving forward. 1) Madrigal 1a) Liberatore 3) Mize 4) Bart 5) HS under slot deal What say you on your top 5? I like Alec Bohm as a safe pick. Guy hits homeruns and doesn't strike out much for a power hitter. Great plate discipline, just like Nick Senzel was in college. It worked out with Senzel so i could see the reds doing the same if Bohm is available. Joey Bart scares me averaging a strike out per game. Seems like a big wart for a guy being considered #2 overall. I'd be fine with Liberatore at 5 too. It will be exciting to see what the reds decide.
|
|