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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 8, 2015 23:23:06 GMT -5
I think we have to replace Jocko before we go about replacing Price. Regrettably, I don't think Farmer Bob lets Jocko go unless we lose 100 games next year. And Jocko will make sure we're good for at least 70 wins... Jocketty's contract is up after 2016. Unlike this winter, he'll be gone next winter unless a contract extension is negotiated. And at this point Castellini must know it would be a very unpopular extension. If the team's goal is to contend by 2017 the performance of the first and second year players in 2016 will be far more important than the win-loss record, and I hope the owner knows that. Im intrested to see if they sit on chapman till the trade deadline. I hope they move him this winter. Hope they are active this rule 5 draft too
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 9, 2015 9:14:27 GMT -5
Im intrested to see if they sit on chapman till the trade deadline. I hope they move him this winter. Hope they are active this rule 5 draft too The Winter Meetings run from December 6-10. 2011: Mat Latos acquired 12/17/11, Sean Marshall on 12/23/2011 2012: Shin Soo Choo acquired 12/11/2012 2013: No trades 2014: Alfredo Simon and Mat Latos traded away 12/11/2014, acquired Marlon Byrd on 12/31/14 If history is any guide, Jocketty makes most of his major offseason trades at (or shortly after) the Winter Meetings. Not before, and not long after. Trades outside of December and July are very uncommon for him. I think Jocketty will want to do something this offseason. Since he won't want to trade prospects or sign free agents to big deals, moving Chapman (and Bruce) are about his only options for major deals, and will probably be the top priority as a result. He showed a willingness to listen to Chapman offers at the deadline, but I suspect he ran out of time, with his main focus being Cueto, Leake, and Byrd... you know, the guys he HAD to move ASAP, with less pressing deals being less urgent. It's not like Chapman offers were rejected in principle, with credible rumors of talks coming out in the final minutes up to the trade deadline. This year Jocketty heads into the Winter Meetings with Chapman and Bruce as his main trade chips, with his goals (get younger, get less expensive, get more talented, hopefully add hitters) more vague, and in that sense easier to meet. They no longer need the return to be MLB-ready or to fill an immediate hole (LF [Byrd], SS of the future [Suarez], #2 starter [Latos], lefty setupman [Marshall], rotation replacement [DeSclafani]), like they sorta needed in 2014 and before. If there's interest in Chapman at the Winter Meetings - and there's certainly signs there will be - I think he'll be moved. I'll be shocked if he isn't moved by Christmas. Several teams could use a closer, and several have expressed interest in Chapman (although some, like the Tigers, have little to trade). I wonder if some team, like the Marlins, will look into acquiring Chapman with the intention of moving him into the rotation. Personally I think that's a silly plan, at this point, but I have no objection to other teams doing silly things. At this point I have no confidence in the Marlins to make smart decisions, so maybe they're an ideal trade match. Once again Craig Kimbrel may-or-may-not be traded, and any potential list of Kimbrel suitors probably closely resembles the list of Chapman suitors. Red Sox, Nationals, DBacks, Tigers, Cubs, and Rangers all seem like possible suitors. Plus surprise candidates may still emerge. There are plenty options for a Chapman trade. Trading Chapman is also more urgent than moving Jay Bruce. A team acquiring Chapman this winter will also acquire the option of draft-pick compensation when he heads to free agency after a full year. I don't think Chapman's trade value has notably suffered since July, but it will only go down after the season starts. Bruce, including his option, is under contract through 2017. With a strong 2016 Bruce may have a higher trade value in July than he does today. If they want to gamble on an improved 2016 season by Bruce, fine, not the end of the world. It's a blow to the Reds if they can't move Chapman this winter, but not as much with Bruce.
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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 9, 2015 14:58:27 GMT -5
Im intrested to see if they sit on chapman till the trade deadline. I hope they move him this winter. Hope they are active this rule 5 draft too The Winter Meetings run from December 6-10. 2011: Mat Latos acquired 12/17/11, Sean Marshall on 12/23/2011 2012: Shin Soo Choo acquired 12/11/2012 2013: No trades 2014: Alfredo Simon and Mat Latos traded away 12/11/2014, acquired Marlon Byrd on 12/31/14 If history is any guide, Jocketty makes most of his major offseason trades at (or shortly after) the Winter Meetings. Not before, and not long after. Trades outside of December and July are very uncommon for him. I think Jocketty will want to do something this offseason. Since he won't want to trade prospects or sign free agents to big deals, moving Chapman (and Bruce) are about his only options for major deals, and will probably be the top priority as a result. He showed a willingness to listen to Chapman offers at the deadline, but I suspect he ran out of time, with his main focus being Cueto, Leake, and Byrd... you know, the guys he HAD to move ASAP, with less pressing deals being less urgent. It's not like Chapman offers were rejected in principle, with credible rumors of talks coming out in the final minutes up to the trade deadline. This year Jocketty heads into the Winter Meetings with Chapman and Bruce as his main trade chips, with his goals (get younger, get less expensive, get more talented, hopefully add hitters) more vague, and in that sense easier to meet. They no longer need the return to be MLB-ready or to fill an immediate hole (LF [Byrd], SS of the future [Suarez], #2 starter [Latos], lefty setupman [Marshall], rotation replacement [DeSclafani]), like they sorta needed in 2014 and before. If there's interest in Chapman at the Winter Meetings - and there's certainly signs there will be - I think he'll be moved. I'll be shocked if he isn't moved by Christmas. Several teams could use a closer, and several have expressed interest in Chapman (although some, like the Tigers, have little to trade). I wonder if some team, like the Marlins, will look into acquiring Chapman with the intention of moving him into the rotation. Personally I think that's a silly plan, at this point, but I have no objection to other teams doing silly things. At this point I have no confidence in the Marlins to make smart decisions, so maybe they're an ideal trade match. Marlins come to mind big time for me too, depending on how deep the astros go this postseason, if there downfall would be late inning relief, and stiil have a shot next season id be willing to bet theyd move some big prospects for chapman? But thats just a made up possibility in my head
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 9, 2015 15:26:33 GMT -5
Marlins come to mind big time for me too, depending on how deep the astros go this postseason, if there downfall would be late inning relief, and stiil have a shot next season id be willing to bet theyd move some big prospects for chapman? But thats just a made up possibility in my head Yeah, I also see the Astros as a trade fit, despite Luke Gregerson's excellent season, and a pretty strong bullpen all around, they were rumored to be interested in Chapman at the trade deadline. Or at least Lunhow or someone had some remark about hoping to acquire a power arm or something that certainly described Chapman. I didn't want to mention the Astros as a potential suitor, because, well, they're the Astros! They're now known for their analytics and advance thinking, and surely they wouldn't pony up for an old-school closer to fill that traditional old-fashioned 9th inning role. You know, that kinda stuff. I assumed it'd cause... negative... responses... Unfortunately the Astros already moved a couple of the more-expendable young hitters I wanted, in Brett Phillips and Domingo Santana, to Milwaukee at the trade deadline. And at-the-time-unknown Jacob Nottingham before that. 3b Colin Moran, 2b/CF Tony Kemp, and OF Derek Fisher aren't the most exciting prospects in the world. Most of their remaining top minor league prospects were either drafted in the past year or are pitchers, it seems. Although some of their young arms, like Michael Feliz and Joe Musgrove, might be appealing to improve the future bullpen mix. One way to push someone like Lorenzen or Finnegan into the bullpen and/or closer role is to flood AA and AAA with more young rotation candidates. Although that doesn't address the lack of hitting prospects.
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