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Post by flash on Sept 7, 2015 18:52:33 GMT -5
Without a doubt the outfield can be blamed for the Reds offensive struggles this year. All of the infield and the catcher position put up decent numbers positionally. The outfield was horrible.
Hamilton is a horrible hitter. He has great speed, but his bat is really a liability. Shoemaker-good-bye. Bruce also was just horrible and if the Reds can trade him they should. That being said what are the alternatives.
Move Mesoraco to the outfield. I don't know how great of range he has, but he does have the arm for right.
Move Suarez to center and keep Cozart at short defensively. Suarez doesn't have Hamilton's speed, but I would bet he can match his arm. The Reds catcher's did all right also this year offensively.
In left field maybe they should look at Selsky. He was having a great year before he was injured.
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Post by kinsm on Sept 7, 2015 19:11:01 GMT -5
They'll sign or trade for another stopgap LF'er this winter.
Next year's OF is probably FA, Hamilton, Bruce (if not traded). YRod has a strong chance of making the bench - he'll be out of options unless he qualifies for a 4th.
If Mesoraco can squat then he's the starting catcher.
Cozart should be traded, if not he should be used off the bench. (of course the Reds could move BP - but I doubt it)
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Post by tnredsfan on Sept 7, 2015 19:58:31 GMT -5
If we're accepting a 65-70 win season in 2016, I think you have to throw Hamilton in CF, have him lead off every day, and just accept the results. We need to know once and for all if he's a viable starting CFer, or if he's going to be a pinch runner/defensive replacement/5th outfielder type. Have the "come to Jesus" meeting with BP, tell him if he wants to cap his career with a contender, he's gonna have to waive the no-trade clause, trade him in the offseason, and roll with Cozart at SS and Suarez at 2B.
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Post by Yossarian on Sept 7, 2015 20:48:05 GMT -5
Without a doubt the outfield can be blamed for the Reds offensive struggles this year. All of the infield and the catcher position put up decent numbers positionally. The outfield was horrible. Hamilton is a horrible hitter. He has great speed, but his bat is really a liability. Shoemaker-good-bye. Bruce also was just horrible and if the Reds can trade him they should. That being said what are the alternatives. Move Mesoraco to the outfield. I don't know how great of range he has, but he does have the arm for right. Move Suarez to center and keep Cozart at short defensively . Suarez doesn't have Hamilton's speed, but I would bet he can match his arm. The Reds catcher's did all right also this year offensively. In left field maybe they should look at Selsky. He was having a great year before he was injured. That's a lot easier said than done. |
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Post by redsfanman on Sept 8, 2015 9:36:07 GMT -5
Billy Hamilton spent last winter working with Mike Cameron on bunting and stuff, but the Reds have implied a more detailed plan for him this winter, perhaps involving focusing exclusively on batting right handed. I look forward to seeing what they come up with. That he'll be in CF is the only known thing about the 2016 outfield.
I think starting catcher Mesoraco will play some games in the OF, but not as the regular. 20 or 30 games, about as many as Buster Posey plays at 1b. Just adding that ability will be a huge asset, not just if he's hurt, but for those pesky day-games-after-night games and other events when he's unable to catch.
SS of the future Suarez to the outfield remains a horrible idea. After years of complaining about Cozart and how the team lacks shortstops, moving one off the position is a horrible idea, especially when the biggest concern the guy faces is a need for work/practice/reps at shortstop. I hope Cozart, after proving himself to be healthy, can be traded during spring training. Otherwise, to the bench with him.
LF Jesse Winker should be starting 2016 in AAA. How long will he stay there? With the team not expecting to contend can we expect them to acquire a big name, entrenched LF? I doubt it, I think they'll go with another stopgap before Winker gets a midseason promotion. Maybe as early as June.
Yorman Rodriguez (raw tools), Steve Selsky (OBP), and Adam Duvall (raw power) should all get looks in spring training. I doubt any of those three will end up as the best option, though. I also hope the Reds are active in the Rule 5 draft. There have been a few success stories this year amongst hitters in Mark Canha (chosen #2), Delino DeShields Jr (chosen #3), and Odubel Herrera (chosen #9). Last winter the Reds chose 10th, after all those hitters were gone (LHP Sean Gilmartin was the only Rule 5 success story taken #10 or later). Maybe choosing somewhere between 1st and 5th will get them a good player. The Reds are in a perfect position to make good use of the Rule 5 draft.
I expect that a major holdup in trade-deadline talks for Bruce and Chapman was the Reds wanting hitters in return, when other teams offered guys like Zack Wheeler and Braden Shipley. Hopefully some major trades for young hitters can be completed this winter. With Bruce and Chapman trades now seemingly the top priorities, I expect they'll get done.
At this point all I think we can safely predict about the 2016 outfield is that Billy Hamilton will play CF, Mesoraco will play a corner spot part time, and Jesse Winker will debut later in the season. Much of the outfield situation is in limbo, pending expected transactions. I think we'll have a much better picture of things by the end of the Winter Meetings... when the Rule 5 draft takes place, and the time last year where Simon and Latos were traded.
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Post by cbassxu on Sept 8, 2015 11:50:32 GMT -5
Personally I'm just glad we are giving Schumaker and Bourgeois an extended look this season so we can really figure out if they are part of next year's plan or not.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Sept 8, 2015 11:59:42 GMT -5
I'm thinking there is a 60/40 chance the team gets blown up this winter.
Bruce will be gone -- any residual trade value he has at this point will be close to zero if the acquiring team can't at least get the option of making him a QO next winter.
I think if BP is willing, he'll be dealt.
Cozart will go if there is a good enough offer for him, he's also in his final arby year.
Schu will be gone.
Bourgeous and Boesch are both arby eligible, most likely they're both gone.
LaMarre is horrible.
I think you roll next year with Waldrop, BHam, & Winker going from right-to-left. YRod is the fourth outfielder and next in line in CF if BHam continues to stink.
Meso behind the plate, Votto and Frazier at the corners, Suarez at SS and Dejesus at 2B (if BP is willing to leave).
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Post by Yossarian on Sept 8, 2015 12:29:00 GMT -5
Personally I'm just glad we are giving Schumaker and Bourgeois an extended look this season so we can really figure out if they are part of next year's plan or not. |
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Post by jbuck on Sept 8, 2015 12:41:42 GMT -5
I agree....all new outfield
the infield should be ok.
but we have a long way to go. We could suck for years. I know that's not great insight
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Post by rocky15231 on Sept 8, 2015 14:05:26 GMT -5
C'mon, I had to LOL @ move Suarez to CF.
Trade BP for whatever you can. Dump his salary. Move Suarez to 2B. Makes a LOT more sense.
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Post by rkymtnredsfan on Sept 8, 2015 15:44:16 GMT -5
C'mon, I had to LOL @ move Suarez to CF. Trade BP for whatever you can. Dump his salary. Move Suarez to 2B. Makes a LOT more sense. It's not like fantasy baseball, just plug in guys wherever? |
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Post by rocky15231 on Sept 8, 2015 15:51:29 GMT -5
Who knows.
I mean, Suarez is a terrible defensive shortstop. How do we fix that? Move him to the only position that is tougher to play!
Then again, it is the Reds...
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Post by Lark11 on Sept 8, 2015 16:24:15 GMT -5
Who knows. I mean, Suarez is a terrible defensive shortstop. How do we fix that? Move him to the only position that is tougher to play! Then again, it is the Reds... So, move him to catcher??? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 17:44:55 GMT -5
I still think Suarez is the SS of the future, his early defensive struggles have subsided and recent struggles are typical of a lot of young shortstops. But going into next year I wouldn't be surprised to see him temporarily shifted to LF, not center. I think Cozart has trade value but only after proving he's healthy. I think you could see some combo of splitting of time at short while Cozart re-establishes himself and if the baseball gods are smiling upon cincy perhaps Cozart will become attractive to other teams about the same time Jesse Winker is ready to move up another level.
And Hamilton blows. He'll eventually not hit his way out of a job.
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Post by redsfanman on Sept 9, 2015 8:52:27 GMT -5
Who knows. I mean, Suarez is a terrible defensive shortstop. How do we fix that? Move him to the only position that is tougher to play! Then again, it is the Reds... After a week or so with tons of errors he's been a pretty good defensive shortstop for the past few months. How did they fix that? They made Suarez do lots of drills with the coach, it sounds like. He needs more time at shortstop to continue to improve there defensively, rather than to be moved off the position. Calling Suarez a terrible defensive shortstop is likely a sign of somebody who stopped watching after his first couple of weeks. |
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