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Post by psuhistory on Aug 10, 2015 20:25:38 GMT -5
Plus, a .285 / 10 / 65 season is still a pretty damn good season for a standard 2B, one of the leaders of this team and a fan favorite with all that he does in the community. This is the kind of Fecal Matter that absolutely does not matter and should not, in any way, play a role in contract negotiations and roster construction. Unless he has a smile that can light up a room,,,
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Post by scottscudder on Aug 10, 2015 22:06:18 GMT -5
Between Cozart, Suarez, and Phillips, Cozart is the most logical choice to be in the starting lineup the next two years. Of the three, he is the only SS, and last I checked, you need to have a SS in the lineup.
Suarez is not a shortstop. It was even mentioned that if Suarez was SS, he would require a late inning defensive replacement. Hilarious. Meanwhile, Cozart is one of the best defensive SS in the entire league. Advantage Cozart.
Phillips is not a shortstop, and he is aging and in decline. He will play no role in the Reds future post-reboot. He will cost $13-$14 million per season the next two years. Cozart is at the top of his game at SS, and will cost under $5 million per season the next two years. He could also easily have a future on the Reds post-reboot. Advantage Cozart.
And it's not that Cozart is just the only SS on the team either. He's actually a GOOD shortstop. He mixes elite defense at a defense-first position with average offense. His career OPS of .659 puts him squarely in the middle of the league offensively (would rank 14th this year).
As far as Suarez vs. Phillips, the obvious choice is Suarez. He's better offensively, and hopefully his defense will be sufficient at 2B. And most importantly, Suarez is a 100% fit with the reboot strategy, while BP is a 0% fit. The Reds would give Phillips away if they could.
Phillips is certainly still qualified to be a starter for an MLB team, but not on this team, which has better options and is strategically headed in the complete opposite direction (young, cheap, controllable, improving) that BP represents at this point in his career.
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Post by kinsm on Aug 11, 2015 0:05:42 GMT -5
Cozart has no business being on this team next year, if BP isn't accepting a trade.
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Post by Yossarian on Aug 11, 2015 0:30:55 GMT -5
This is the kind of Fecal Matter that absolutely does not matter and should not, in any way, play a role in contract negotiations and roster construction. Unless he has a smile that can light up a room,,, That's a driving factor for this ball club. You are absolutely right.
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Post by crashdavissports on Aug 11, 2015 1:47:55 GMT -5
Plus, a .285 / 10 / 65 season is still a pretty damn good season for a standard 2B, one of the leaders of this team and a fan favorite with all that he does in the community. This is the kind of Fecal Matter that absolutely does not matter and should not, in any way, play a role in contract negotiations and roster construction. It is when his popularity with the fan base and his highlight reel plays bring extra attendance to the stands. There is no reason that Cozart should have a starting role on this team next year. He is a backup SS with his glove and inconsistent bat. Basically a Juan Castro with a little extra pop in his bat. Suarez is a consistent all around hitter (although on the weaker side of the power numbers). Just saying, those that are arguing for Cozart are the ones that will be disappointed next year when he is not the starting SS on this team. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they Reds tried to move Cozart in the off season.
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Post by sockersfc09 on Aug 11, 2015 9:45:03 GMT -5
Trade BP and move Suarez to 2B? Play Cozart at SS
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Post by crashdavissports on Aug 11, 2015 11:08:04 GMT -5
Brandon Phillips this year: .284 / .322 / .699 / 8 HR / 40 RBI / Gold Glove Defense ("maybe" best fielding 2B in history of MLB) Brandon Phillips career: .272 / .319 / .740 / 18 HR / 85 RBI / Gold Glove Defense
Zack Cozart: .245 / .284 / .659 / 10 HR / 42 RBI / per season average
Now what do you want to do? Replace Brandon Phillips gold glove defense with notch below defense in Cozart? Or do you want to replace his batting stat line with Cozart's much inferior batting stat line?
The only argument is whether Cozart should start over Suarez. Suarez is not nearly as good defensively, but team officials say he is getting better at fielding as he gains confidence, and his bat is much more consistent. Suarez is the starter. Cozart will make a great bench player, and a defensive sub late innings for an inferior fielder..may even be for Suarez.
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Post by scottscudder on Aug 11, 2015 11:22:31 GMT -5
This is the kind of Fecal Matter that absolutely does not matter and should not, in any way, play a role in contract negotiations and roster construction. It is when his popularity with the fan base and his highlight reel plays bring extra attendance to the stands. There is no reason that Cozart should have a starting role on this team next year. He is a backup SS with his glove and inconsistent bat. Basically a Juan Castro with a little extra pop in his bat. Suarez is a consistent all around hitter (although on the weaker side of the power numbers). Just saying, those that are arguing for Cozart are the ones that will be disappointed next year when he is not the starting SS on this team. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they Reds tried to move Cozart in the off season. Cozart is not the same player as Juan Castro, whose career OPS was .595. Cozart's .659 OPS is significantly higher. Not a valid comparison at all. You can continue to talk about Cozart's inconsistent bat all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he has been pretty much league average for shortstops most of his career. And his defense is elite! He doesn't require a late inning defensive replacement. Do not let his poor 2014 season distract from what he has actually accomplished offensively during the rest of his career. And let me repeat myself just to make sure we are clear: I'm not saying that I don't want Suarez in the lineup. I'm saying that Suarez needs to replace Phillips rather Cozart. Do you realize that despite having twice as many ABs, Phillips has still not matched Cozart's "inconsistent bat's" HR total this season? Do you see any way that Phillips is a better fit for the reboot strategy than Suarez? Do you realize how much Phillips is costing the Reds? Do you see his declining numbers? Phillips is clearly the odd man out here. There is absolutely no reason for Phillips to block Cozart or Suarez. If BP is in the starting lineup ahead of them next year, it won' be for baseball reasons.
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Post by scottscudder on Aug 11, 2015 13:54:23 GMT -5
Brandon Phillips this year: .284 / .322 / .699 / 8 HR / 40 RBI / Gold Glove Defense ("maybe" best fielding 2B in history of MLB) Brandon Phillips career: .272 / .319 / .740 / 18 HR / 85 RBI / Gold Glove Defense Zack Cozart: .245 / .284 / .659 / 10 HR / 42 RBI / per season average Now what do you want to do? Replace Brandon Phillips gold glove defense with notch below defense in Cozart? Or do you want to replace his batting stat line with Cozart's much inferior batting stat line? The only argument is whether Cozart should start over Suarez. Suarez is not nearly as good defensively, but team officials say he is getting better at fielding as he gains confidence, and his bat is much more consistent. Suarez is the starter. Cozart will make a great bench player, and a defensive sub late innings for an inferior fielder..may even be for Suarez. BP's numbers this year are not as good as Cozart's this year. You might have shown that. BP will never again hit for the same kind of power he did over his career. His career numbers are not relevant to the decision. Cozart's stellar defense at SS is more valuable than BP's defense at 2B. BP has generally been reluctant to try SS. BP is 34 and costs $10 million more than Cozart per year. This doesn't fit on a team trying to reboot. Suarez is not a SS. He's a better fit at 2B. He needs to replace BP, not Cozart.
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Post by kinsm on Aug 11, 2015 18:50:56 GMT -5
Why is anyone writing off Suarez as a SS already? He's just turned 24 years old, FFS. (Cozart was in AA at his age) His range factor at SS is actually statistically better or equal (BRef/FG) than Cozart's this year (in nearly the exact same number of innings), and most of his errors are actually fielding errors not throwing. Which means as he learns what he can and can't get too, he'll let some of those balls go by (the same balls Cozart let's go by). This is not a EE situation, where his errors were caused by his arm. Nor is it due to a lack of range. Which means he can still get better at that position. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2015-fielding.shtmlwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2616&position=SS#fieldingadvancedwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12552&position=SS#fieldingadvancedCozart's bat is a black hole in a lineup full of black holes. BP has shown no willingness what so ever of waiving his no-trade clause and his likely replacement is going to be Blandino - so he's likely here for the next 2 seasons. Suarez should be the starting SS come opening day. Cozart will be 30 years old next season and be paid over 3M$ via his second of three trips through arbitration...trade him this winter!
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Post by jbuck on Aug 11, 2015 19:00:14 GMT -5
cozart is one of those guys' that his glove will always keep him in the discussion. Still '(league avg.) ain't all it's cracked up to be
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Post by Yossarian on Aug 11, 2015 20:17:13 GMT -5
Why is anyone writing off Suarez as a SS already? He's just turned 24 years old, FFS. (Cozart was in AA at his age) His range factor at SS is actually statistically better or equal (BRef/FG) than Cozart's this year (in nearly the exact same number of innings), and most of his errors are actually fielding errors not throwing. Which means as he learns what he can and can't get too, he'll let some of those balls go by (the same balls Cozart let's go by). This is not a EE situation, where his errors were caused by his arm. Nor is it due to a lack of range. Which means he can still get better at that position. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2015-fielding.shtmlwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2616&position=SS#fieldingadvancedwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12552&position=SS#fieldingadvancedCozart's bat is a black hole in a lineup full of black holes. BP has shown no willingness what so ever of waiving his no-trade clause and his likely replacement is going to be Blandino - so he's likely here for the next 2 seasons. Suarez should be the starting SS come opening day. Cozart will be 30 years old next season and be paid over 3M$ via his second of three trips through arbitration...trade him this winter! Yeah, man, but Cozart is one of our guys (that we like) and Suarez hasn't quite proven that he's one, too, yet.
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Post by crashdavissports on Aug 11, 2015 22:11:05 GMT -5
Why is anyone writing off Suarez as a SS already? He's just turned 24 years old, FFS. (Cozart was in AA at his age) His range factor at SS is actually statistically better or equal (BRef/FG) than Cozart's this year (in nearly the exact same number of innings), and most of his errors are actually fielding errors not throwing. Which means as he learns what he can and can't get too, he'll let some of those balls go by (the same balls Cozart let's go by). This is not a EE situation, where his errors were caused by his arm. Nor is it due to a lack of range. Which means he can still get better at that position. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2015-fielding.shtmlwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2616&position=SS#fieldingadvancedwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12552&position=SS#fieldingadvancedCozart's bat is a black hole in a lineup full of black holes. BP has shown no willingness what so ever of waiving his no-trade clause and his likely replacement is going to be Blandino - so he's likely here for the next 2 seasons. Suarez should be the starting SS come opening day. Cozart will be 30 years old next season and be paid over 3M$ via his second of three trips through arbitration...trade him this winter! Yeah, man, but Cozart is one of our guys (that we like) and Suarez hasn't quite proven that he's one, too, yet. Anyone that can hit consistently is "one of our guys" regardless of age and time spent on our team. That is my opinion anyways.
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Post by yorak on Aug 12, 2015 8:44:22 GMT -5
Who has the higher ceiling? Go with that guy.
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Post by scottscudder on Aug 12, 2015 13:37:10 GMT -5
Why is anyone writing off Suarez as a SS already? He's just turned 24 years old, FFS. (Cozart was in AA at his age) His range factor at SS is actually statistically better or equal (BRef/FG) than Cozart's this year (in nearly the exact same number of innings), and most of his errors are actually fielding errors not throwing. Which means as he learns what he can and can't get too, he'll let some of those balls go by (the same balls Cozart let's go by). This is not a EE situation, where his errors were caused by his arm. Nor is it due to a lack of range. Which means he can still get better at that position. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/2015-fielding.shtmlwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2616&position=SS#fieldingadvancedwww.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12552&position=SS#fieldingadvancedCozart's bat is a black hole in a lineup full of black holes. BP has shown no willingness what so ever of waiving his no-trade clause and his likely replacement is going to be Blandino - so he's likely here for the next 2 seasons. Suarez should be the starting SS come opening day. Cozart will be 30 years old next season and be paid over 3M$ via his second of three trips through arbitration...trade him this winter! If you really want Suarez at SS and think his defense will improve, that's cool. Go ahead and put him at SS on Opening Day, and see if you can stomach an entire season of his defensive flaws. However...the Reds should then move Cozart to 2B. BP should not be in the lineup. Better to play Cozart than BP and try to save $20 million, because at the end of two years, if Blandino doesn't pan out, it's not going to be BP who is the 2B in 2018. It could, however, continue to be Cozart. My guess is that under this scenario, it wouldn't be long before Cozart is moved back SS after Suarez proves he's not a fit there. The Reds will be looking at a mutiny from the pitching staff.
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