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Post by walstib on Jun 4, 2015 14:51:26 GMT -5
I agree. Why should we accept mediocrity for Cueto, Chapman, Leake, et al. If the RSox want one of the aforementioned then Betts at least must be a part of the discussion. Rumor had it that an unwillingness to trade Mookie Betts is why Cole Hamels didn't become a Red Sox over the winter. Regardless of his struggles I'd be really surprised if that has change so fast. The Red Sox have a bunch of interesting prospects to trade this summer to upgrade their major league team, but it seem unlikely they'll deal their starting CF (or SS, since Bogaerts seems to come up almost as much). Like Correa of the Astros and Seager of the Dodgers, insisting on Betts is likely the end of a discussion. There are other pitchers out there for the Red Sox to target if they can't make a deal work with the Reds. I don't think we have to accept mediocrity to accept the strong possibility that Mookie Betts may remain untouchable. I know you try,and with respect, you have a propensity to think you are informing us about baseball that the rest of us mortals do not grasp; however, again with respect, I believe that you are missing Lark's point. The Sox just picked up De Aza, I'm butchering his name from the O's. He's a CFer. I would read between the lines.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 4, 2015 15:16:44 GMT -5
I know you try,and with respect, you have a propensity to think you are informing us about baseball that the rest of us mortals do not grasp; however, again with respect, I believe that you are missing Lark's point. The Sox just picked up De Aza, I'm butchering his name from the O's. He's a CFer. I would read between the lines. Fair point about De Aza. But 'was a CF' might be more accurate. In 2012 he mostly played CF. In 2013 he started 105 in CF and 41 in LF. In 2014 he started 12 games in CF, 132 in LF. In 2015 he's started 19 in LF, 8 in RF, and 0 in CF. I tried reading between the lines, and that drew me to the conclusion that he's being moved off CF, and the MLBTradeRumors articles discussed him as a corner outfielder. I do think De Aza's transition off CF might be something that 'the rest of us mortals do not grasp'. I wouldn't phrase it that way. More like that nobody should care one bit about Alejandro De Aza. Around here often there are unknown things about Reds players, let alone former Orioles. I wouldn't have known that he switched positions if I hadn't looked it up when he was traded. Upon learning that information I think it was worth sharing. And relevant. Maybe Alejandro De Aza is in line to become the new starting CF for the Red Sox... but I don't see any signs of that, yet. I get Lark's point, that maybe with Mookie Betts' struggles the Red Sox will be open to moving him. I understand his point, but I'd be shocked if they'd gotten to that point yet, after the high regard they held for him a few months earlier. Allen Craig was hitting .135. Daniel Nava, .159 before going on the DL. Rusney Castillo is hitting .211. Shane Victorino is on the DL. Hanley Ramirez has been an atrocious defender in LF. Currently the Red Sox only have Mookie Betts and Hanley Ramirez resembling MLB outfielders at the plate, while only Mookie Betts also looks like one in the field. That is the situation Alejandro De Aza has been brought into...
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 4, 2015 15:26:22 GMT -5
When it comes to Reds, Red Sox, and outfielders... looking at their roster and struggles... I think a trade of Jay Bruce to Boston makes far more sense for both teams than a trade of Mookie Betts to Cincinnati.
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 4, 2015 16:40:02 GMT -5
Alejandro De Aza has marked platoon splits. He's not replacing anyone as an everyday player, though he might take some time away against rhps...
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Post by breakerslim on Jun 4, 2015 19:58:47 GMT -5
Jay Bruce would get eaten alive in Boston. Doubt they would coddle him like Cincy has.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 4, 2015 20:05:52 GMT -5
Jay Bruce would get eaten alive in Boston. Doubt they would coddle him like Cincy has. The point was more that the Red Sox seemingly need outfield help, not to trade away their starting CF. I don't think they need Bruce, Rusney Castillo and others will probably come around. But I'd be shocked if they traded Betts amidst these struggles.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 4, 2015 20:20:00 GMT -5
When it comes to Reds, Red Sox, and outfielders... looking at their roster and struggles... I think a trade of Jay Bruce to Boston makes far more sense for both teams than a trade of Mookie Betts to Cincinnati. Offering up Cueto and Chapman would make a lot of impossible things possible. Those two could salvage a so far lackluster season in Boston.
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Post by general on Jun 4, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -5
When it comes to Reds, Red Sox, and outfielders... looking at their roster and struggles... I think a trade of Jay Bruce to Boston makes far more sense for both teams than a trade of Mookie Betts to Cincinnati. Jay Bruce is a terrible fit in Boston. They already have a surplus of OF. Mookie Betts, Hanley Ramirez and Rusney Casillo, a RF they just paid around $70M. They don't even have room for Daniel Nava, who is arguably a similar hitter as Bruce at this point in Jay's career. I really don't think Jay is the same player. Some guys lose all their pop early.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 5, 2015 9:23:51 GMT -5
When it comes to Reds, Red Sox, and outfielders... looking at their roster and struggles... I think a trade of Jay Bruce to Boston makes far more sense for both teams than a trade of Mookie Betts to Cincinnati. Jay Bruce is a terrible fit in Boston. They already have a surplus of OF. Mookie Betts, Hanley Ramirez and Rusney Casillo, a RF they just paid around $70M. They don't even have room for Daniel Nava, who is arguably a similar hitter as Bruce at this point in Jay's career. I really don't think Jay is the same player. Some guys lose all their pop early. I know Bruce isn't going to Boston, my point was that their OF depth isn't what they hoped and they're closer to needing OF help than trading away the most reliable guy. What looked like a very strong outfield has turned into a bigger mess than anyone probably could've predicted. -Betts has played basically every day. Numbers are down a bit, but that seems like the only problem. - Hanley Ramirez has been atrocious defensively in LF. From what I've read (mostly articles from disgruntled fans) he isn't improving... and he's looking more like a DH than an OF. - Rusney Castillo is hitting .211 so far, with 1 BB and 9 K in 39 PAs. I think he'll come around and hit better before long, but so far the results sure haven't been promising. I know how my optimism about him would be received if he were a Red. - Brock Holt, their utility player, is hitting .279 with a .365 OBP, and has started 16 games this season in the OF... arguably the third best season offensively of all the guys on this list. - Shane Victorino, on the DL. Supposedly they put him on the DL against his will, he didn't think he'd need 15 days to recover. Might be on the verge of being relegated to the bench. - Allen Craig, enough said. - Jackie Bradley Jr, who can't seem to hit over .200. - Daniel Nava, hitting .159 in 73 PAs before going on the DL. Before he was DL'ed there was some speculation that he might be DFA'ed. - Alejandro De Aza, pretty drastic platoon splits, some years. Formerly a CF, now plays the corners, so who knows what role he'll fill in Boston. The Red Sox have a pick-your-poison situation already. Plenty of candidates, but plenty of problems. Trading away Mookie Betts would be an odd way for the team to address its' outfield problems while they expect to contend. The defense is terrible in LF, and probably varies significantly in RF. Victorino and De Aza used to play CF, but who knows how they'd do these days? And Bradley can't hit. I think Mookie Betts is staying as their CF.
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