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Post by overrated on May 29, 2015 18:33:29 GMT -5
^ Injury or has he been dealt? The Reds think he will make a start against the Phillies. I think Lorenzen is starting Sunday. The good news is that Marquis has been moved to the bullpen.
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Post by Lark11 on May 29, 2015 18:44:40 GMT -5
^ Injury or has he been dealt? Still working his way back from elbow inflammation.
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Post by breakerslim on May 29, 2015 19:39:21 GMT -5
Thanks. Was sort of hoping he was dealt, great pitcher but we need some return.
Guess he'll have to put together a couple of great outings to remove any injury concern.
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Post by redsfanman on May 29, 2015 21:47:16 GMT -5
Who does Houston have in there system that they might trade for Cueto a hitter who don't strike out a ton? There whole lineup sans Altuve are strikeout machines. Just wondering about there minor league guys. No way they trade Correra for Cueto so any other who make contact? 3b Colin Moran (22), OF Preston Tucker (24), 2b Tony Kemp (23), and OF Brett Phillips (20) have respectable plate discipline, but its not like they have a lot else going for them. In addition to Mark Appel... Michael Feliz (22), Lance McCullers (21), and Josh Hader (21) are young hard throwing starters who need some polish, but who I could see the Reds considering in a deal. The Red Sox meanwhile (ignoring untouchables Moncada and Swihart) have 3b Rafael Dever (18), CF Manuel Margott (20), and 3b/OF Garin Cecchini (24).... and close to MLB ready starters who seem like pitchers rather than throwers in LHP Eduardo Rodriguez (22), LHP Henry Owens (22), LHP Brian Johnson (24), and RHP Matt Barnes (24). Unless the Astros want to include Appel I think the Red Sox (by including 2 or 3 [if Cecchini is the 3rd] on that list) can put together the more appealing deal for the Reds.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:56:55 GMT -5
Who does Houston have in there system that they might trade for Cueto a hitter who don't strike out a ton? There whole lineup sans Altuve are strikeout machines. Just wondering about there minor league guys. No way they trade Correra for Cueto so any other who make contact? 3b Colin Moran (22), OF Preston Tucker (24), 2b Tony Kemp (23), and OF Brett Phillips (20) have respectable plate discipline, but its not like they have a lot else going for them. In addition to Mark Appel... Michael Feliz (22), Lance McCullers (21), and Josh Hader (21) are young hard throwing starters who need some polish, but who I could see the Reds considering in a deal. The Red Sox meanwhile (ignoring untouchables Moncada and Swihart) have 3b Rafael Dever (18), CF Manuel Margott (20), and 3b/OF Garin Cecchini (24).... and close to MLB ready starters who seem like pitchers rather than throwers in LHP Eduardo Rodriguez (22), LHP Henry Owens (22), LHP Brian Johnson (24), and RHP Matt Barnes (24). Unless the Astros want to include Appel I think the Red Sox (by including 2 or 3 [if Cecchini is the 3rd] on that list) can put together the more appealing deal for the Reds. Rodriguez was called up and pitched well yesterday for Boston. I think Brian Johnson is about to get the call also. McCullers has pitched well also for the Astros. I would really like to see the Reds get one good hitter for Cueto. While you can never have enough good arms. Hitters should be number one on the list in any Cueto trade.
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Post by The Duke on May 29, 2015 22:12:32 GMT -5
Cueto, Chapman, Leake, Coazrt, Byrd, Bruce, and Blandino for Correa. The Astros would still say no though. Correa is going to be a monster.
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Post by redsfanman on May 29, 2015 22:54:42 GMT -5
3b Colin Moran (22), OF Preston Tucker (24), 2b Tony Kemp (23), and OF Brett Phillips (20) have respectable plate discipline, but its not like they have a lot else going for them. In addition to Mark Appel... Michael Feliz (22), Lance McCullers (21), and Josh Hader (21) are young hard throwing starters who need some polish, but who I could see the Reds considering in a deal. The Red Sox meanwhile (ignoring untouchables Moncada and Swihart) have 3b Rafael Dever (18), CF Manuel Margott (20), and 3b/OF Garin Cecchini (24).... and close to MLB ready starters who seem like pitchers rather than throwers in LHP Eduardo Rodriguez (22), LHP Henry Owens (22), LHP Brian Johnson (24), and RHP Matt Barnes (24). Unless the Astros want to include Appel I think the Red Sox (by including 2 or 3 [if Cecchini is the 3rd] on that list) can put together the more appealing deal for the Reds. Rodriguez was called up and pitched well yesterday for Boston. I think Brian Johnson is about to get the call also. McCullers has pitched well also for the Astros. I would really like to see the Reds get one good hitter for Cueto. While you can never have enough good arms. Hitters should be number one on the list in any Cueto trade. Yep, I was disappointed by how well Rodriguez pitched - his strong performance might make the team more reluctant to trade him. Preston Tucker (who plays LF, RF, and 1b) has some pros and cons... decent power, knows how to walk, MLB ready at 24, mediocre defense might be a target if the Reds want a hitter who's MLB ready (and want to make a corresponding trade of Byrd or Bruce). If they're looking a few years down the road they should consider... CF Manuel Margot, 20. Speedy CF with some power who's walked almost as much as he struck out (106 BB to 126 K) so far in his professional career. Maybe he'll be ready by, say, 2017. Potential future leadoff hitter, not that that phrase often means good things for the Reds. 3b Rafael Dever, 18. He's years from the majors and a butcher at third, but is rated really high for bat and power. He supposedly has pretty good plate discipline for his age... typical high risk, high reward prospect. The same type of guy that rarely works out for the Reds. Personally I don't want him, but a strong case can be made to target him. In the end the Reds need to trade Cueto and others for the best package of players they can get. In my opinion (ignoring untouchable players) the vast majority of appealing trade chips for most of the teams that might conceivably pursue Cueto happen to be starting pitchers. If Cueto is traded for two or more players and at least one of them isn't a starting pitcher I'll be shocked, despite how appealing a group of young hitters sounds on paper.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 5:52:47 GMT -5
Johnson pitched 6 perfect innings versus the Bats last night, was removed after 74 pitches in spite of having a perfect game. Red Sox seem to value him greatly. Probably not untouchable, but unless they knew they could keep Cueto more than through the end of this season, it would be unlikely they'd part with him. Cecchini has been pretty bad for the past 1+ season since he moved to AAA. .263 BA last year, .194 so far this year. Has very little power and plays 3B or a corner OF spot, which are traditional power positions. Since he has the look of a mediocre major leaguer, if one at all then yeah this is likely the kind of crap return Walt will get. Red Sox prospects tend to be over valued, as most of us know. I'd much rather see Cueto go to the Dodgers, Astros, Mariners, etc. Some team with some decent talent in the pipeline.
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Post by redsfanman on May 30, 2015 22:49:37 GMT -5
In the Red Sox farm system everything I've read suggests that Moncada and Swihart are probably untouchable. They might be reluctant to part with LHP Eduardo Rodriguez and LHP Henry Owens, but probably would in the right deal. LHP Brian Johnson and RHP Matt Barnes seem like little more than trade chips, though.
The Red Sox have control of (or reasonable options for) Porcello, Buchholz, and Miley for the next few years... and I suspect they'll look at acquiring a long term ace eventually, either Hamels this summer or someone like Cueto over the winter. But the point is they have far more rotation candidates than they do have spots, and I'd be surprised if Brian Johnson won one, especially with Rodriguez and Owens ahead of him.
I don't think much of Garin Cecchini, but he'd be an interesting throw-in to a deal. I wouldn't view him as a centerpiece or a starter, but he could be an interesting bench player, and an affordable upgrade over Schumaker and Boesch. I don't think a deal including Cecchini means a crap return, it just means I'll be looking more at the other guys involved. Like with Chad Wallach, the all-but-forgotten guy of little relevance to the DeSclafani trade.
Personally I would consider one of Owens and Rodriguez, plus Johnson, plus Cecchini, to be a huge return for Cueto, and one that would help the Reds a lot for 2016 and 2017. Few teams - Astros, Blue Jays if they're not too far out - could make comparable offers of expendable players.
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Post by floydgator on May 31, 2015 6:20:29 GMT -5
Interesting to see the clamor for Brian Johnson and Preston Tucker. Both are former teammates of disco and Crawford at uf. No idea how we failed to win it all with that team. It was loaded.
Love both guys, neither is a future all star. McCullers is a former Gator commit a la Jesse winker.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 1, 2015 21:10:44 GMT -5
No chance Correa goes anywhere, though I know you know that. Appel and two others is likely the best the Reds could hope for. Something like Appel, Max Stassi, and Preston Tucker Yeah, I was just kidding. I know Correa is untouchable. Whatever we can get I suppose, I just hope we don't get fleeced in the deal. I have a feeling we will because some team will not be willing to part with their good prospects to get Cueto for a few months.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 1, 2015 21:36:20 GMT -5
I would like to see the following for Cueto from Houston:
#7 Prospect for Houston) Josh Hader, LHP, Grade B: Age 20, posted 2.70 ERA with 112/38 K/BB in 103 innings in High-A, 6.30 ERA with 24/16 K/BB in 20 innings in Double-A. Cal League reports more impressive than small-sample size Texas League reports. Everyone praises live body and 90+ fastball, reports vary on his curve and change. Some see number three starter, other more of a relief arm.
#9 Prospect for Houston) Derek Fisher, OF, Grade B/Borderline B-: Age 21, compensation round pick from University of Virginia, hit .310/.386/.419 with 17 steals in 42 games in pro debut in short-season ball. Across-the-board tools, should eventually show more power to go with batting average and running skills, possibly one of the steals of the ’14 draft.
#12 Prospect for Houston) Tony Kemp, 2B, Grade B-/Borderline B: Age 23, undersized second baseman with oversized skills, hit .316/.411/.449 with 41 steals, 73 walks, 67 strikeouts in 528 at-bats between High-A and Double-A. Good athlete, strong for his size (5-6), reliable defender. Not sure how he fits in Houston but he’s been excellent so far and has lived up to what he did at Vanderbilt.
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Post by vtreds22 on Jun 1, 2015 21:40:24 GMT -5
I would like to see the following for Cueto from Houston: #7 Prospect for Houston) Josh Hader, LHP, Grade B: Age 20, posted 2.70 ERA with 112/38 K/BB in 103 innings in High-A, 6.30 ERA with 24/16 K/BB in 20 innings in Double-A. Cal League reports more impressive than small-sample size Texas League reports. Everyone praises live body and 90+ fastball, reports vary on his curve and change. Some see number three starter, other more of a relief arm. #9 Prospect for Houston) Derek Fisher, OF, Grade B/Borderline B-: Age 21, compensation round pick from University of Virginia, hit .310/.386/.419 with 17 steals in 42 games in pro debut in short-season ball. Across-the-board tools, should eventually show more power to go with batting average and running skills, possibly one of the steals of the ’14 draft. #12 Prospect for Houston) Tony Kemp, 2B, Grade B-/Borderline B: Age 23, undersized second baseman with oversized skills, hit .316/.411/.449 with 41 steals, 73 walks, 67 strikeouts in 528 at-bats between High-A and Double-A. Good athlete, strong for his size (5-6), reliable defender. Not sure how he fits in Houston but he’s been excellent so far and has lived up to what he did at Vanderbilt. None of those guys are top 100 prospects. You're setting the bar very low. If Walt can't get at least one top 100 guy he should be fired.
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Post by redskoolaiddrinker on Jun 1, 2015 21:47:19 GMT -5
I would like to see the following for Cueto from Houston: #7 Prospect for Houston) Josh Hader, LHP, Grade B: Age 20, posted 2.70 ERA with 112/38 K/BB in 103 innings in High-A, 6.30 ERA with 24/16 K/BB in 20 innings in Double-A. Cal League reports more impressive than small-sample size Texas League reports. Everyone praises live body and 90+ fastball, reports vary on his curve and change. Some see number three starter, other more of a relief arm. #9 Prospect for Houston) Derek Fisher, OF, Grade B/Borderline B-: Age 21, compensation round pick from University of Virginia, hit .310/.386/.419 with 17 steals in 42 games in pro debut in short-season ball. Across-the-board tools, should eventually show more power to go with batting average and running skills, possibly one of the steals of the ’14 draft. #12 Prospect for Houston) Tony Kemp, 2B, Grade B-/Borderline B: Age 23, undersized second baseman with oversized skills, hit .316/.411/.449 with 41 steals, 73 walks, 67 strikeouts in 528 at-bats between High-A and Double-A. Good athlete, strong for his size (5-6), reliable defender. Not sure how he fits in Houston but he’s been excellent so far and has lived up to what he did at Vanderbilt. Check this out: Fisher had 12 RBIs in his High Class A debut Saturday. www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/31/houston-astros-derek-fisher-prospect-debut-three-home-runs
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Post by Yossarian on Jun 2, 2015 0:31:17 GMT -5
I would like to see the following for Cueto from Houston: #7 Prospect for Houston) Josh Hader, LHP, Grade B: Age 20, posted 2.70 ERA with 112/38 K/BB in 103 innings in High-A, 6.30 ERA with 24/16 K/BB in 20 innings in Double-A. Cal League reports more impressive than small-sample size Texas League reports. Everyone praises live body and 90+ fastball, reports vary on his curve and change. Some see number three starter, other more of a relief arm. #9 Prospect for Houston) Derek Fisher, OF, Grade B/Borderline B-: Age 21, compensation round pick from University of Virginia, hit .310/.386/.419 with 17 steals in 42 games in pro debut in short-season ball. Across-the-board tools, should eventually show more power to go with batting average and running skills, possibly one of the steals of the ’14 draft. #12 Prospect for Houston) Tony Kemp, 2B, Grade B-/Borderline B: Age 23, undersized second baseman with oversized skills, hit .316/.411/.449 with 41 steals, 73 walks, 67 strikeouts in 528 at-bats between High-A and Double-A. Good athlete, strong for his size (5-6), reliable defender. Not sure how he fits in Houston but he’s been excellent so far and has lived up to what he did at Vanderbilt. None of those guys are top 100 prospects. You're setting the bar very low. If Walt can't get at least one top 100 guy he should be fired. I'd demand more than one.
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