rkymtnredsfan
Dave Concepcion
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." Pete Rose
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Post by rkymtnredsfan on Jun 16, 2015 10:07:27 GMT -5
I would rather see Price endure this lost season, and then start fresh with a new staff (and hopefully front office) after this debacle ends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 10:55:19 GMT -5
To replace Price and not Walt would solve nothing.
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rkymtnredsfan
Dave Concepcion
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball." Pete Rose
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Post by rkymtnredsfan on Jun 16, 2015 10:58:35 GMT -5
To replace Price and not Walt would solve nothing. Agreed.
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Post by yorak on Jun 16, 2015 11:15:17 GMT -5
Agreed. Nuke 'em all & start the rebuilding process from ashes.
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Post by cincyfan79 on Jun 17, 2015 8:47:44 GMT -5
To replace Price and not Walt would solve nothing. I am not sure, but it would seem to me that Walt is working with a partial deck in that Reds are a small market team--it seems that has to be taken into account in evaluating his performance as GM--he is getting old and someone needs to be groomed as his replacement in the next couple of years--but you can certainly make a good argument that he has made some serious mistakes over the last couple of years--particularly in hiring Price to replace Baker--that alone may be sufficient cause to replace him--but if you fire both the GM and manager you better have a pretty good plan in place to immediately replace the GM who can then conduct the search for the new manager. To simply fire both without a plan would be worse than maintaining the status quo IMO---there is talent on this team and there is talent in the pipeline of the Reds farm system---we just need the proper management to get the most out of that talent---mistakes our management makes are magnified by the lack of resources to compete with the big market teams, including the Cardinals---I have been a fan of the Reds since the early 70's, the days of the Big Red Machine guys like Rose, Perez, Morgan, Bench, Foster, Concepcion, etc---I miss those days---I wonder if we will ever see anything like that again in Cincinnati
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 17, 2015 9:12:09 GMT -5
To replace Price and not Walt would solve nothing. I am not sure, but it would seem to me that Walt is working with a partial deck in that Reds are a small market team--it seems that has to be taken into account in evaluating his performance as GM--he is getting old and someone needs to be groomed as his replacement in the next couple of years--but you can certainly make a good argument that he has made some serious mistakes over the last couple of years-- particularly in hiring Price to replace Baker--that alone may be sufficient cause to replace him--but if you fire both the GM and manager you better have a pretty good plan in place to immediately replace the GM who can then conduct the search for the new manager. To simply fire both without a plan would be worse than maintaining the status quo IMO---there is talent on this team and there is talent in the pipeline of the Reds farm system---we just need the proper management to get the most out of that talent---mistakes our management makes are magnified by the lack of resources to compete with the big market teams, including the Cardinals---I have been a fan of the Reds since the early 70's, the days of the Big Red Machine guys like Rose, Perez, Morgan, Bench, Foster, Concepcion, etc---I miss those days---I wonder if we will ever see anything like that again in Cincinnati I don't want anyone internally 'groomed as his replacement', I want a fresh voice with new ideas. I don't think hiring Price to replace Baker was exactly a 'mistake', the organization got what it intended, more of the same with a different jersey. If the organization was interested in serious changes they would've replaced Walt Jocketty first - big changes at the top to address systemic problems in the organization - instead they identified a scapegoat (Dusty) and appointed a similar replacement (Price). They appeased the fans and continued to sell a team they believed could contend as is. A bad plan, but not a mistake. If they had it to do over again I doubt they'd change a thing. I thought at the time that firing Dusty and keeping Jocketty was a terrible idea, but for some reason nobody seemed to agree. Jocketty was perfect, Price was a genius, and Dusty was a moron who couldn't do anything right. I said Dusty was a lightening rod and scapegoat, and that with his dismissal blame would instead pass to Jocketty, and that's just what happened. Plan: Search committee starting after the season. That's how other teams do it. I think that's how the Reds choose Dan O'Brien and Wayne Krivsky... who were both hired to institute a long term plan but fired before the results paid off. What the Reds need now is a long term plan. Baseball finances in the 1970s, the Big Red Machine era, were very different from those today. The Cardinals' success has little to do with a payroll advantage.
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Post by psuhistory on Jun 18, 2015 10:30:32 GMT -5
To replace Price and not Walt would solve nothing. I am not sure, but it would seem to me that Walt is working with a partial deck. No one's ever going to go broke arguing that Walt's not playing with a full deck...
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