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Post by vtreds22 on Apr 1, 2015 10:36:39 GMT -5
This spring has reminded me that Dusty Baker used to be blamed for everything. I don't understand how you guys can be so negative and miserable. I predicted that with Dusty's departure everything would be blamed on Jocketty, and it's come true. Like, absolutely 100% true. Yes, Jocketty was overrated for years with all his bad decisions - and preference for veterans - being blamed on Dusty. In my opinion it's like Jocketty listened to public opinion - stopped giving out multiyear deals to bench players, in favor of bringing in a pool of NRI and making them compete for such spots - and is now being attacked by the same people who called for him to do this, which is crazy. Ultimately it's just reestablishing that most online Reds fans are not happy with anything. The biggest acquisitions/transactions by Jocketty this winter have been DeSclafani, Suarez, Byrd, and Badenhop. Those are the most significant transactions of the offseason - NOT the non-roster invitees Boesch, Greg, Marquis, and Dominguez. Of course I know others will disagree, those later four were acquired for nothing and may earn a combined... what, $3m? $4m? Also Raciel Iglesias should be coming under professional scrutiny for the first time, despite being a 2014 signing. I only have two thoughts: 1. Plenty of us didn't like Walt before Dusty was fired. Your theory only exists in your head, not reality. Dusty has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but for whatever reason, you can't ever stop yourself from bringing him up. 2. I had no idea that people expressing displeasure with their favorite team meant they were negative and miserable. You think everyone here is negative. You think everyone at Redleg Nation is negative. Ever consider posting somewhere where everyone is blindly positive and simply drowns out anything that can be construed as negative? Does such a place even exist?
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 1, 2015 11:05:01 GMT -5
I had no idea that people expressing displeasure with their favorite team meant they were negative and miserable. You think everyone here is negative. You think everyone at Redleg Nation is negative. Ever consider posting somewhere where everyone is blindly positive and simply drowns out anything that can be construed as negative? Does such a place even exist? Redzone.com, from what I've seen. It's crazy. Polar opposite of RedlegNation. Like MSNBC to FoxNews. Unless it's changed. This place usually has the largest variety of opinions, but lately it seems to swing wayyyy off to the RedlegNation end of the spectrum. I do think the negativity here is being massively ramped up in preparation for opening day, with a singular focus on everything bad, spreading misery about the upcoming season. Pros and cons? No, it's time for cons as we collectively get angry about the new season. If somebody is feeling so negative about a team they care about, yeah, I assume they're miserable. Maybe not. I know some Reds fans are happier to see the team lose, for whatever reason. The last-minute offseason hysteria is nothing new, usually it quickly goes away once the season begins in favor of more concrete issues, like how guys are actually producing, at which point nobody seems to care where players came from. If somebody performs well nobody will care one bit if he was a non-roster invitee.
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 12:51:08 GMT -5
By the way, loud shout out to the Reds beat writers for being all over this information. Thank the heavens for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. John Fay sucks. He just posted a story about Gregg and Marquis. Yet he fails to comprehend that Marquis isn't an article xx-b free agent. Nor the fact that Gregg has already been told, nor that he doesn't have to be purchased until sunday. Do your job ffs.
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 12:55:56 GMT -5
I had no idea that people expressing displeasure with their favorite team meant they were negative and miserable. You think everyone here is negative. You think everyone at Redleg Nation is negative. Ever consider posting somewhere where everyone is blindly positive and simply drowns out anything that can be construed as negative? Does such a place even exist? Redzone.com, from what I've seen. It's crazy. Polar opposite of RedlegNation. Like MSNBC to FoxNews. Unless it's changed. This place usually has the largest variety of opinions, but lately it seems to swing wayyyy off to the RedlegNation end of the spectrum. I do think the negativity here is being massively ramped up in preparation for opening day, with a singular focus on everything bad, spreading misery about the upcoming season. Pros and cons? No, it's time for cons as we collectively get angry about the new season. If somebody is feeling so negative about a team they care about, yeah, I assume they're miserable. Maybe not. I know some Reds fans are happier to see the team lose, for whatever reason. The last-minute offseason hysteria is nothing new, usually it quickly goes away once the season begins in favor of more concrete issues, like how guys are actually producing, at which point nobody seems to care where players came from. If somebody performs well nobody will care one bit if he was a non-roster invitee. Incorrect, go look at the win predictions in last years poll or the year before that. Vt is correct, you are making this stuff up. Reds fans have plenty of reasons to be less optimistic than last year, they are about to lose their best pitcher in franchise history and their hitters just age one more year.
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 1, 2015 13:00:02 GMT -5
Attitude, not win predictions, is the difference between RedlegNation and RedZone. Read RedZone and you'll see that people are all (perhaps insanely) upbeat, while at RedlegNation it's all doom and gloom about the same news or predictions.
Here, lately, it's also been doom and gloom.
Maybe that's the point I'm failing to get across. Having a positive outlook doesn't necessarily mean expecting the team to finish in first place, it's seeing upside rather than only focusing on worst case scenarios. Showing some basic level of respect for Reds players, personnel, and choice. Even showing some basic level of respect for Kevin Gregg and Jason Marquis, and the people involved in the decision making process. Oh well.
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 1, 2015 13:08:23 GMT -5
By the way, loud shout out to the Reds beat writers for being all over this information. Thank the heavens for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. This came from the Associated Press, interesting question who supplied the information. Apparently, the Reds haven't actually made an announcement. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern could take a more critical perspective on the Reds organization and on Jocketty in particular. There are limits to what beat writers can accomplish in this way, but others manage a more critical, independent view. Kevin Baxter, covering the Angels for the LA Times, for example, has been critical of the Angels' big recent contracts without compromising his ability to cover the everyday stuff... Reds Must Make Calls on Kevin Gregg, Jason Marquis TodayJohn Fay, Enquirer, 4/1/2015, 12:30 GOODYEAR, Ariz. — The Reds have to make calls on pitchers Kevin Gregg and Jason Marquis today. As players with six years of service time in camp on minor-league deals, they can opt out if they're not put on the roster. Both are almost certainly going to make the team. "We're closing in on that, absolutely," Reds manager Bryan Price said. "We're up against — for some of them — some deadlines. I'm guessing in the next short while, we will have sat down with the guys who are on the club and let them know. "To add guys, you also have to make corresponding moves to add those guys to the roster. That's probably one of the reasons why we're not a little more forthcoming in all the roster moves." The Reds still have five non-roster players in camp: Gregg, Marquis, Brennan Boesch, Chris Dominguez and Michael Lorenzen. All five could make the team. The Reds can open two 40-man spots by putting left-hander Sean Marshall and outfielder Jason Bourgeois on the 60-day disabled list. But the club is going to have to take some players off the 40-man roster. "It's always tough for multiple reasons," Price said. "First, because of the potential of losing a player that you like. Certainly we like them if they're on our 40-man roster. No. 2, you hate to send that type of message to a player that's been in the system for a while and has been a good representative of the Reds. It's always hard. You always want hard work and professionalism rewarded. However, there's also a portion of this that is performance-related. You can be a great guy and a great worker, but if you don't perform to a certain level you become vulnerable at this time of year."
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 1, 2015 13:20:58 GMT -5
But the club is going to have to take some players off the 40-man roster. "It's always tough for multiple reasons," Price said. "First, because of the potential of losing a player that you like. Certainly we like them if they're on our 40-man roster. No. 2, you hate to send that type of message to a player that's been in the system for a while and has been a good representative of the Reds. It's always hard. You always want hard work and professionalism rewarded. However, there's also a portion of this that is performance-related. You can be a great guy and a great worker, but if you don't perform to a certain level you become vulnerable at this time of year." This attitude from the manager, which is easy enough to understand, is part of the difficulty for beat writers trying to report on roster changes. If you talk about the players the way we often do here, the manager (and some unspecified number of others, including some other reporters) will lose respect for you, and this can interfere with your ability to do your job. In online reports (of various kinds), who cares what Bryan Price respects? And you can generally toss the AP in with this group, for similar reasons...
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 1, 2015 13:54:30 GMT -5
Sometimes it's good to get ahead of the news, reporting it before the team will confirm... I guess.
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 13:54:56 GMT -5
But the club is going to have to take some players off the 40-man roster. "It's always tough for multiple reasons," Price said. "First, because of the potential of losing a player that you like. Certainly we like them if they're on our 40-man roster. No. 2, you hate to send that type of message to a player that's been in the system for a while and has been a good representative of the Reds. It's always hard. You always want hard work and professionalism rewarded. However, there's also a portion of this that is performance-related. You can be a great guy and a great worker, but if you don't perform to a certain level you become vulnerable at this time of year." This attitude from the manager, which is easy enough to understand, is part of the difficulty for beat writers trying to report on roster changes. If you talk about the players the way we often do here, the manager (and some unspecified number of others, including some other reporters) will lose respect for you, and this can interfere with your ability to do your job. In online reports (of various kinds), who cares what Bryan Price respects? And you can generally toss the AP in with this group, for similar reasons... Seriously, if a minnesota paper knows then fay should know. Call an agent, call a player, get some damned insider sources. Every other teams beat writer had no problem reporting on their respective clubs article xx-b free agents yesterday. Fay doesn't even know the rules. You'd be a better beat writer and have no ins that I'm aware of.
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 13:57:05 GMT -5
Interfere with doing their job...ha, they don't do their job. Fay can barely spell.
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 14:03:59 GMT -5
Has Fay even wrote about Gregg's salary if he made the team? Does he even know?
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 1, 2015 14:10:47 GMT -5
This attitude from the manager, which is easy enough to understand, is part of the difficulty for beat writers trying to report on roster changes. If you talk about the players the way we often do here, the manager (and some unspecified number of others, including some other reporters) will lose respect for you, and this can interfere with your ability to do your job. In online reports (of various kinds), who cares what Bryan Price respects? And you can generally toss the AP in with this group, for similar reasons... Seriously, if a minnesota paper knows then fay should know. Call an agent, call a player, get some damned insider sources. Every other teams beat writer had no problem reporting on their respective clubs article xx-b free agents yesterday. Fay doesn't even know the rules. You'd be a better beat writer and have no ins that I'm aware of. If the AP has it, then everyone has it. This is a decision not to report what the AP has announced but the Reds haven't...
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 1, 2015 14:16:18 GMT -5
Fay doesn't even know the rules. You'd be a better beat writer and have no ins that I'm aware of. He made a mistake in talking about Gregg and Marquis as the same. Did the Phillies even have Marquis on the roster? I doubt it. I appreciate the compliment (same to you), but I think I'd get myself fired working for a newspaper...
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 14:16:54 GMT -5
And it's a piss poor decision, their job is too educate Reds fans not appease Price.
It's time too quit making excuses for ineptitude. Just compare their work with the rest of the league's beat writers. It's years of complacency. They would not make it in another city, and the fans deserve better and should demand better.
Same thing last season with Francis.
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Post by psuhistory on Apr 1, 2015 14:32:13 GMT -5
Interfere with doing their job...ha, they don't do their job. Fay can barely spell. This builds on some past discussions about beat writers; it's worth following up. I think the politics of the job are more challenging, involving having to work with the same surly crowd every day over a long season and knowing what you write one day may limit the harvest from this group on succeeding ones. Mike Shropshire, a former beat reporter for the Rangers, is an interesting writer on this: in many cases, it was twenty years after the fact before he could report what he considered most important about the 1973-1975 seasons in Texas... But he was more critical, and a better writer, when he was on the beat than Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Writing every day should make Rosecrans and Fay better, but generally it's mechanical and perfunctory stuff, not necessarily badly reported but written to a low standard. Sheldon does better, though he's not very critical of the Reds either...
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