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Post by kinsm on Mar 31, 2015 23:14:30 GMT -5
---Minneapolis Star Tribune
The Reds informed RHP Kevin Gregg that he has made team as a non-roster invite.
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Post by kinsm on Mar 31, 2015 23:14:55 GMT -5
He'll make 1,500,000 $
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Post by vtreds22 on Mar 31, 2015 23:21:09 GMT -5
We're paying Kevin Gregg, Skip Schumaker, Ryan Ludwick, and Jack Hannahan a combined $10.5M this season. Think that would get the Reds a better 5th starter than Jason Marquis?
Walt is such a shrewd devil. He clearly knows to work the Reds limited budgeted masterfully. He gets the most out of every penny. Give that man an extension!
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Post by schellis on Mar 31, 2015 23:37:04 GMT -5
We're paying Kevin Gregg, Skip Schumaker, Ryan Ludwick, and Jack Hannahan a combined $10.5M this season. Think that would get the Reds a better 5th starter than Jason Marquis? Walt is such a shrewd devil. He clearly knows to work the Reds limited budgeted masterfully. He gets the most out of every penny. Give that man an extension! Yep you don't pay replacement level veterans a cent over the minimum when there is plenty of replacement level talent out there to be had. I wouldn't have minded at all giving Gary Brown who was just DFA by the Giants today a shot over any of that group. Hopefully the Reds didn't send down a useful arm like Jumbo so Gregg can come in and stink it up. He's been a crap reliever for probably close to a decade now. |
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Post by Yossarian on Apr 1, 2015 0:00:55 GMT -5
Should've been a roster non-invitee, but that's none of my business...
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 0:22:28 GMT -5
We're paying Kevin Gregg, Skip Schumaker, Ryan Ludwick, and Jack Hannahan a combined $10.5M this season. Think that would get the Reds a better 5th starter than Jason Marquis? Walt is such a shrewd devil. He clearly knows to work the Reds limited budgeted masterfully. He gets the most out of every penny. Give that man an extension! Yep you don't pay replacement level veterans a cent over the minimum when there is plenty of replacement level talent out there to be had. I wouldn't have minded at all giving Gary Brown who was just DFA by the Giants today a shot over any of that group. Hopefully the Reds didn't send down a useful arm like Jumbo so Gregg can come in and stink it up. He's been a crap reliever for probably close to a decade now. Gary Brown still has two options, someone with open 40 man slots should grab him (I wouldn't be shocked if he makes the Phillies opening day squad). Jumbo or Hoover will be optioned to AAA to make room for Gregg. The Reds still have to clear 4 40 man spots by Sunday to add Gregg, Marquis, Boesch, and Dominguez. |
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Post by crashdavissports on Apr 1, 2015 7:20:39 GMT -5
Wow. Didn't think he stood a chance with most the other guys we have/had in camp being at least as good as him and much cheaper.
Guess throwing money away now a days comes pretty easy for some teams.
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 1, 2015 7:46:22 GMT -5
On the bright side it seems unlikely that Mike Lorenzen will be in the bullpen. Seems like Hoover may be demoted as well, which I doubt will be received badly by anyone... or Hoover may make the team while Iglesias goes to Louisville, with the two flip flopping when the Reds need a 5th starter.
Naysayers aside, congratulations to Kevin Gregg for winning a spot. He pitched 7 innings this spring with 10 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, and 5 K. He pitched fine as recently as 2013, and the Reds are no strangers to getting successful production out of written-off arms like Broxton, Jumbo, and others.
The apparently grotesquely expensive $1.5m is the same amount Badenhop gets this year. To me that number isn't as big a deal as it seems to be to others. Whatever. By comparison Manny Parra makes $3.5m, and is little better.
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 8:13:00 GMT -5
On the bright side it seems unlikely that Mike Lorenzen will be in the bullpen. Seems like Hoover may be demoted as well, which I doubt will be received badly by anyone... or Hoover may make the team while Iglesias goes to Louisville, with the two flip flopping when the Reds need a 5th starter. Naysayers aside, congratulations to Kevin Gregg for winning a spot. He pitched 7 innings this spring with 10 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, and 5 K. He pitched fine as recently as 2013, and the Reds are no strangers to getting successful production out of written-off arms like Broxton, Jumbo, and others. The apparently grotesquely expensive $1.5m is the same amount Badenhop gets this year. To me that number isn't as big a deal as it seems to be to others. Whatever. By comparison Manny Parra makes $3.5m, and is little better. Opponents have hit .345 against Gregg in ST this year. He turns 37 this season, can barely hit 90, and has walked 101 in his last 174 major league innings. ---> He's not good (career .330 OBPa in the majors). 1.5M$ is a large amount for a club that couldn't afford Latos/Simon and had to have a team send them 4M$ to cover the cost of their outfielder. It's .5M$ more than what they are paying Badenhop this season, and Badenhop had a 2.29 ERA in 70 games with the Red Sox last year. Gregg had a 10.00 ERA in 12 games with the Marlins. |
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Post by kinsm on Apr 1, 2015 8:13:52 GMT -5
By the way, loud shout out to the Reds beat writers for being all over this information.
Thank the heavens for the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Apr 1, 2015 8:19:06 GMT -5
It's speaks volumes about how bad our forty-man roster is. We are adding Boesch, Dominguez, Marquis, Gregg, & possibly Lorenzen.
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Post by cbassxu on Apr 1, 2015 8:22:51 GMT -5
Naysayers aside, congratulations to Kevin Gregg for winning a spot. He pitched 7 innings this spring with 10 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, and 5 K. He pitched fine as recently as 2013, and the Reds are no strangers to getting successful production out of written-off arms like Broxton, Jumbo, and others. When was Broxton "written off"? I'm pretty sure people only hated that signing because we were paying him an asinine amount of money. Also I don't remember Jumbo ever being "written off" and he was also like 7 years younger, with no prior MLB experience and a league minimum contract. I hardly see any sort of comparison between Broxton, Jumbo and Gregg outside of being right handed relievers. As Lark and others have said, it's absolutely embarrassing when this many non-roster invitees come in and easily lock down roster spots that they wouldn't sniff in 75% of other organizations. |
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 1, 2015 9:12:49 GMT -5
Naysayers aside, congratulations to Kevin Gregg for winning a spot. He pitched 7 innings this spring with 10 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, and 5 K. He pitched fine as recently as 2013, and the Reds are no strangers to getting successful production out of written-off arms like Broxton, Jumbo, and others. When was Broxton "written off"? I'm pretty sure people only hated that signing because we were paying him an asinine amount of money. Also I don't remember Jumbo ever being "written off" and he was also like 7 years younger, with no prior MLB experience and a league minimum contract. I hardly see any sort of comparison between Broxton, Jumbo and Gregg outside of being right handed relievers. As Lark and others have said, it's absolutely embarrassing when this many non-roster invitees come in and easily lock down roster spots that they wouldn't sniff in 75% of other organizations. When was Broxton written off? Geez, are you kidding? When he was first acquired in 2012 I read nothing but criticism, he wasn't good anymore, his half season with Kansas City was a fluke, 2010 and 2011 are what he really was, and that he's quickly revert. In 2013 he got hurt, leading to nothing but criticism, he's finished and all that, toss him in with Marshall and Madson, it carried through 2014 spring training. And even then, in the few months of 2014 where his performance was taken seriously he faced nothing but criticism for being overpriced. The comparison between Broxton, Jumbo, Simon, and Parra is that all came to the Reds with their status and career in question, with a lot of doubt about whether they'd be competent MLB relievers in the future. The Reds have been pretty darn successful with those 4 guys, and I think it's premature to write off Kevin Gregg. In the past the Reds signed MLB veterans to guaranteed contracts, it was poorly received - widespread consensus that things have to be changed (stop signing guys to MLB contracts!), sign guys to minor league contracts and make them compete for the team. Now the Reds have just done that it is met with outrage. It's crazy. I guess the only acceptable option for acquiring bench players is trading for or drafting them. The Reds could've cut down on non-roster invitees making the roster by putting Suarez and Waldrop on the bench - I'm thrilled they didn't. Who cares whether a guy is a NRI? What's the difference? Jack Hannahan and a series of previous backup shortstops were MLB free agents, did that make them smarter signings? - Kevin Gregg has been in MLB for 12 seasons, if the Reds hadn't given him a chance another team would have. If you're embarrassed contact the teams that previously paid him millions more per season to close. Gregg has shown himself to be healthy, if the Reds released him I expect one of the other teams would have picked him up (granted, that's not 75% of other teams). - Brennan Boesch has been in MLB for 5 seasons, and is coming off a strong season in AAA. Any team with an opening for a lefthanded bench bat that gave him a fair chance in spring training would give him a roster spot after the spring he's had. I don't find him making the team embarrassing, like, at all. Who cares if he's a NRI or MLB free agent? Not me... he was given a chance and he earned a job. - Chris Dominguez sucks in every way, no dispute. Still, embarrassed? I'm not. If he stinks he should get released. But signing a MLB veteran to a guaranteed contract was no more appealing. Cutting Dominguez to make room for an internal candidate like Neftali Soto was no more appealing. - Jason Marquis sucks also, hopefully he's out of the rotation quickly. Embarrassed? On paper, yes, it's Jason Marquis. The Reds are adamant that they've found...something... in him. We'll see. I think he's just holding a spot for a better internal candidate, like Lorenzen. I've been pleasantly surprised by certain Reds pitchers before. After years of hearing how Dusty Baker would be smarter if he listened more to the wise Bryan Price, who knows everything about pitching, yada yada, I guess I'm willing to give Price's selection a shot without crying about it, though. This spring is just reminding me that no matter what happens almost nobody is happy. Choose A, B, or C. Whichever you choose you're moronic for not choosing the other two options, which were obviously smarter. |
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Post by vtreds22 on Apr 1, 2015 9:39:38 GMT -5
When was Broxton "written off"? I'm pretty sure people only hated that signing because we were paying him an asinine amount of money. Also I don't remember Jumbo ever being "written off" and he was also like 7 years younger, with no prior MLB experience and a league minimum contract. I hardly see any sort of comparison between Broxton, Jumbo and Gregg outside of being right handed relievers. As Lark and others have said, it's absolutely embarrassing when this many non-roster invitees come in and easily lock down roster spots that they wouldn't sniff in 75% of other organizations. When was Broxton written off? Geez, are you kidding? When he was first acquired in 2012 I read nothing but criticism, he wasn't good anymore, his half season with Kansas City was a fluke, 2010 and 2011 are what he really was, and that he's quickly revert. In 2013 he got hurt, leading to nothing but criticism, he's finished and all that, toss him in with Marshall and Madson, it carried through 2014 spring training. And even then, in the few months of 2014 where his performance was taken seriously he faced nothing but criticism for being overpriced. The comparison between Broxton, Jumbo, Simon, and Parra is that all came to the Reds with their status and career in question, with a lot of doubt about whether they'd be competent MLB relievers in the future. The Reds have been pretty darn successful with those 4 guys, and I think it's premature to write off Kevin Gregg. In the past the Reds signed MLB veterans to guaranteed contracts, it was poorly received - widespread consensus that things have to be changed (stop signing guys to MLB contracts!), sign guys to minor league contracts and make them compete for the team. Now the Reds have just done that it is met with outrage. It's crazy. I guess the only acceptable option for acquiring bench players is trading for or drafting them. The Reds could've cut down on non-roster invitees making the roster by putting Suarez and Waldrop on the bench - I'm thrilled they didn't. Who cares whether a guy is a NRI? What's the difference? Jack Hannahan and a series of previous backup shortstops were MLB free agents, did that make them smarter signings? - Kevin Gregg has been in MLB for 12 seasons, if the Reds hadn't given him a chance another team would have. If you're embarrassed contact the teams that previously paid him millions more per season to close. Gregg has shown himself to be healthy, if the Reds released him I expect one of the other teams would have picked him up (granted, that's not 75% of other teams). - Brennan Boesch has been in MLB for 5 seasons, and is coming off a strong season in AAA. Any team with an opening for a lefthanded bench bat that gave him a fair chance in spring training would give him a roster spot after the spring he's had. I don't find him making the team embarrassing, like, at all. Who cares if he's a NRI or MLB free agent? Not me... he was given a chance and he earned a job. - Chris Dominguez sucks in every way, no dispute. Still, embarrassed? I'm not. If he stinks he should get released. But signing a MLB veteran to a guaranteed contract was no more appealing. Cutting Dominguez to make room for an internal candidate like Neftali Soto was no more appealing. - Jason Marquis sucks also, hopefully he's out of the rotation quickly. Embarrassed? On paper, yes, it's Jason Marquis. The Reds are adamant that they've found...something... in him. We'll see. I think he's just holding a spot for a better internal candidate, like Lorenzen. I've been pleasantly surprised by certain Reds pitchers before. After years of hearing how Dusty Baker would be smarter if he listened more to the wise Bryan Price, who knows everything about pitching, yada yada, I guess I'm willing to give Price's selection a shot without crying about it, though. This spring is just reminding me that no matter what happens almost nobody is happy. Choose A, B, or C. Whichever you choose you're moronic for not choosing the other two options, which were obviously smarter. If this spring should have reminded you of anything it's that Walt is a comically overrated GM who wastes money on guys who aren't very good. |
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Post by redsfanman on Apr 1, 2015 10:01:04 GMT -5
This spring has reminded me that Dusty Baker used to be blamed for everything. I don't understand how you guys can be so negative and miserable. I predicted that with Dusty's departure everything would be blamed on Jocketty, and it's come true. Like, absolutely 100% true. Yes, Jocketty was overrated for years with all his bad decisions - and preference for veterans - being blamed on Dusty.
In my opinion it's like Jocketty listened to public opinion - stopped giving out multiyear deals to bench players, in favor of bringing in a pool of NRI and making them compete for such spots - and is now being attacked by the same people who called for him to do this, which is crazy. Ultimately it's just reestablishing that most online Reds fans are not happy with anything.
The biggest acquisitions/transactions by Jocketty this winter have been DeSclafani, Suarez, Byrd, and Badenhop. Those are the most significant transactions of the offseason - NOT the non-roster invitees Boesch, Greg, Marquis, and Dominguez. Of course I know others will disagree, those later four were acquired for nothing and may earn a combined... what, $3m? $4m? Also Raciel Iglesias should be coming under professional scrutiny for the first time, despite being a 2014 signing.
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