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Post by reds4life1986 on Nov 30, 2014 20:37:01 GMT -5
Trivia for you my fine reds fans, who in the mlb was the last rule 5 pick thats had a great mlb career? Well, there haven't been many/any since they changed the rules in 2006 to add an extra year of control over players before they are exposed to the Rule 5 draft. But, last great career? Johan Santana would probably be the guy, unless you consider Dan Uggla as having had a great career. I was going with santana too, i guess you could say that uggla had a great career
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Post by flash on Dec 3, 2014 18:07:27 GMT -5
Why would any club pick Delino Deshields ahead of Felix Perez in the rule five draft? Deshields still hasn't played above AA ball
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 3, 2014 18:11:04 GMT -5
Why would any club pick Delino Deshields ahead of Felix Perez in the rule five draft? Deshields still hasn't played above AA ball As I recall, Felix Perez is 30 years old. Why do people still think he's a player? What am I missing?
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Post by flash on Dec 3, 2014 18:20:51 GMT -5
I don't understand why the Reds have never given him a look. He out hit nearly all of the other Reds outfielders last year. He played right field after spending years in center so he must have an arm. He has never . repeat never made an error in center the last time I checked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 5:56:19 GMT -5
I don't understand why the Reds have never given him a look. He out hit nearly all of the other Reds outfielders last year. He played right field after spending years in center so he must have an arm. He has never . repeat never made an error in center the last time I checked. Having seen a lot of Felix Perez in Louisville the past three seasons I would have to say I find it completely mind boggling that he never got a look in Cincy. He was far more advanced and ready for an opportunity each and every time they bounced Donald Lutz up and down between AA-MLB-AA-MLB-AAA. Perez led the International League in OF assists last season and while he doesn't have 20+ HR power, he is an accomplished hitter. BUT, in spite of all that Walt apparently doesn't "like what he has" in the case of Perez. Therefore it is time to move on to someone else.
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Post by flash on Dec 4, 2014 8:21:43 GMT -5
You are probably right. I think that he may be gone anyway with the rule 5 draft to any team that wants a cheap 4th or fifth outfielder. He won't hit arbitration until he is 33 or 34, he won't hit free agency until he is 37 or 38. He would be a big bargain to any team in need of an outfielder..
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Post by redsfanman on Dec 4, 2014 12:25:07 GMT -5
I suspect the Reds and other teams are deterred by Felix Perez's lack of any standout skill. His .325 OBP in Louisville in 2014 wasn't particularly impressive. There was little improvement between 2013 and 2014, and his numbers were in some ways (average, OBP) much worse than those from 2012.
Lutz, as overrated as I think he is, has raw power. Billy Hamilton has raw speed. What special skill does Perez offer? If another team wanted Felix Perez I suspect he'd be, you know, playing for another team. The Reds aren't particularly protective of scrubs in their farm system, just the top prospects. I don't think 30 year old players with mediocre raw skills are the typical guys selected in the Rule 5 draft, instead teams usually go for young players WITH at least one standout raw skill, that the team then gambles on its ability to develop.
Felix Perez is what he is, a career minor leaguer, perhaps a MLB 5th outfielder. Delino DeShields is a talented young guy who's probably needs more time in the minors before deserving a call-up. The Rule 5 draft is about grabbing players like DeShields, though. Older guys like Felix Perez can often be acquired as minor league free agents.
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Post by kinsm on Dec 7, 2014 8:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by redsfanman on Dec 10, 2014 10:39:27 GMT -5
Rule 5 Draft is tomorrow (Thursday) at noon! I look forward to seeing who gets picked up. The Reds draft what, 10th? And they have 38 guys on the 40 man roster.
Mark Canha does sound like an interesting option, potentially as an OBP guy who plays 1b, 3b, and LF. Sounds a little like Neftali Soto though, except hopefully not as bad a fielder... and noticeably better at taking walks.
Edgar de la Rosa and his 100mph fastball does sound like an appealing pickup for a team that considers hard throwing Jumbo Diaz to be a good pickup. Although de la Rosa hasn't pitched above single A, and has limited to no experience out of the bullpen.
Delino DeShields, of course, would still be my top choice, especially now that Heisey is gone, although I'm not convinced he'll be available when the Reds pick.
I really hope the Reds can add somebody good in the Rule 5 draft, and don't just avoid participating if anyone interesting is available.
The Reds have already quietly added a bunch of low (or no) risk, high reward minor league free agents such as Jose Cisnero (98mph), Jose De La Torre (96mph), Jose Flores (98mph), and Wilmer Flores (99mph) who should be interesting to watch in spring training, despite not being guaranteed 40 man roster spots like Rule 5 draftees.
Josh Satin (1b/3b), Brennan Boesch (OF), Irving Falu (SS), and Ivan de Jesus (SS) should also be interesting minor league free agents to see in spring training. Still, I'd like a Rule 5 pick added to the mix.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Dec 10, 2014 12:33:52 GMT -5
I don't believe the Reds have made a rule V selection in the Major League phase since the Wayne Krivsky days, so don't get your hopes up.
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Post by redsfanman on Dec 10, 2014 13:42:15 GMT -5
I don't believe the Reds were so desperate to make some sort of transaction - any transaction, something to show that they're indeed present at the Winter Meetings - since before Krivsky took over Rule 5 Picks offer the opposite to the experienced veterans (Hannahan, Schumaker, Parra, Bernadina, Bourgeois, and others) we've seen in recent years, as a perhaps desirable change. Especially if anybody believes they're headed in a direction of rebuilding, which seems far more popular today than in previous seasons.
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Post by redsfanman on Dec 10, 2014 15:45:42 GMT -5
The Reds (supposedly) do pick 10th. They could always conspire with an earlier team - #2 selecting DBacks, perhaps - and work out a larger trade.
MLBTradeRumors suggests the DBacks may select Astros C Roberto Pena in the Rule 5 draft... a name I've not heard of any other team being interested in. Maybe the DBacks can draft DeShields, Reds can draft Pena, then trade the two with another scrub prospect or some cash thrown in.
If they bring a Rule 5 pick into the system they can also look to work out a trade with the original team. Maybe the Astros would agree to trade a claimed Delino DeShields to the Reds, allowing him to play in AAA for his dad.
Josh Hamilton often gets coverage as a great Rule 5 selection by the Reds, but he was actually selected in the Rule 5 draft by the Cubs before being sold (ahem, traded) to the Reds for $100,000. Another Rule 5 success story, Johan Santana, was selected by the Marlins and immediately traded to the Twins for another Rule 5 pick. Maybe the rule has been changed since then though, to prevent such conspiring, I don't know.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Dec 10, 2014 17:03:37 GMT -5
In the case of the Reds-Cubs deal, the Reds made the deal to give the Cubs the money and then had them draft Hamilton for them, per the Krivmeister.
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Post by kinsm on Dec 11, 2014 3:49:31 GMT -5
the Diamondbacks are expected to take Rays’ catcher Oscar Hernandez with the first pick.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Dec 11, 2014 12:10:03 GMT -5
1.Diamondbacks select Oscar Hernandez from the Rays. 2.Rangers select Delino DeShields Jr. from the Astros. 3.Twins select J.R. Graham from the Braves. 4.Red Sox select Jandel Gustave from Astros.
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