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Post by reds4life1986 on Aug 15, 2014 11:56:05 GMT -5
Anybody have there predictions? Will they just call up guys already on 40 man, or will we see some moves?
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 15, 2014 13:50:26 GMT -5
I doubt we'll see any significant moves... just Barnhart, Lutz, Soto, Negron, Partch, and Holmberg back, if they're not already with the team. And Carlos Contreras sticking around, of course. Waiver acquisition and 27 year old MLB journeyman Jake Elmore might be the only new face.
-Yorman Rodriguez is on the 40 man roster, but seems like a long shot. Same with Daniel Corcino and Chad Rogers, in my opinion. None of them particularly deserve a promotion, nor would they help the Reds. Rogers is a top candidate to be DFA-ed if they want to promote another prospect.
-Jon Moscot seems worthy of some consideration with his success and the Reds' need for a starting pitcher, but I doubt they want to add him to the 40 man roster.
-Mike Lorenzen has had an excellent year, but is approaching his innings limit and they won't want to add him to the 40 man roster.
-Winker is finished for the season after his car accident.
-Stephenson won't be promoted.
-Raisel Iglesias seems to be aiming for the Arizona Fall League.
-Ryan LaMarre became a free agent.
...the other notable prospects are too far from being MLB ready to get called up.
I don't think it'll be an interesting September as far as minor league callups, but it should be an interesting spring training as guys like Stephenson, Lorenzen, Winker, Iglesias, and many others try to show what they can do.
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Post by reds4life1986 on Aug 15, 2014 15:59:07 GMT -5
Ha at the injury rate those guys will be up before september! Is it too soon to call corcino a bust? Or is he just slowing down and struggling with some developement? Spring training next year is gunna be the most intresting.
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Post by reds4life1986 on Aug 16, 2014 15:50:38 GMT -5
I doubt we'll see any significant moves... just Barnhart, Lutz, Soto, Negron, Partch, and Holmberg back, if they're not already with the team. And Carlos Contreras sticking around, of course. Waiver acquisition and 27 year old MLB journeyman Jake Elmore might be the only new face. -Yorman Rodriguez is on the 40 man roster, but seems like a long shot. Same with Daniel Corcino and Chad Rogers, in my opinion. None of them particularly deserve a promotion, nor would they help the Reds. Rogers is a top candidate to be DFA-ed if they want to promote another prospect. -Jon Moscot seems worthy of some consideration with his success and the Reds' need for a starting pitcher, but I doubt they want to add him to the 40 man roster. -Mike Lorenzen has had an excellent year, but is approaching his innings limit and they won't want to add him to the 40 man roster. -Winker is finished for the season after his car accident. -Stephenson won't be promoted. -Raisel Iglesias seems to be aiming for the Arizona Fall League. -Ryan LaMarre became a free agent. ...the other notable prospects are too far from being MLB ready to get called up. I don't think it'll be an interesting September as far as minor league callups, but it should be an interesting spring training as guys like Stephenson, Lorenzen, Winker, Iglesias, and many others try to show what they can do. I didnt know winker was in a wreck??!! I thought he hurt his wrist in a game |
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 16, 2014 19:49:18 GMT -5
Ha at the injury rate those guys will be up before september! Is it too soon to call corcino a bust? Or is he just slowing down and struggling with some developement? Spring training next year is gunna be the most intresting. I've given up on Corcino as a starter, but not as a reliever, which has always seemed like a fall-back plan for him. I wouldn't be surprised if he reported to camp next spring trying to be a reliever. He seemingly has the talent to get outs, if only he could throw strikes. Calling him up this September as a reliever is unlikely, but I'd still like to see it happen... Regarding Jesse Winker, they kept what happened to him pretty quiet until this article appeared: Car wreck likely to end Reds prospect's seasonC. Trent Rosecrans, crosecrans@enquirer.com 7:49 p.m. EDT July 26, 2014 Despite a wrist injury that could cost him the rest of the minor-league season, Reds outfield prospect Jesse Winker is still riding the buses with his teammates at Double-A Pensacola teammates, sitting on the bench during games and trying to learn as much as possible. "I wanted to go on the road trip, there's things to learn every day no matter what you do in the game of baseball," Winker told The Enquirer by telephone from Mississippi. "I'm here, I like being around the team. It's a lot better atmosphere being around the baseball field instead of home. I came on the road and I can at least do some one-handed drills, lower-body lifting and run -- and I get to watch baseball, too. Sitting at home would be no fun, I wouldn't like that." Winker suffered a partially torn tendon in his right wrist in a car accident earlier this month and tried to play through it, including his appearance in the Futures Game at the All-Star Game in Minneapolis, where he was 1 for 2. "I went (to the Futures Game) there and my whole body was sore, my knee was sore, my shoulder was sore -- and so was my hand, but I just played because I figured that's what happens in a car accident, your body is just banged up," Winker said. "I came back and then we had a scheduled off day after that and then a rainout in Jacksonville and I was swinging in Jacksonville and something just didn't feel right in my hand. I thought it was just a little sore, and everything else was feeling fine. My neck wasn't sore, my knee wasn't sore. We went and got it checked and I ended up putting a cast on it, we came back up and had an MRI and I had a partial tear of a tendon in my hand." The good news is the injury won't require surgery and while it will most likely end his season -- the Blue Wahoos' season finishes on Sept. 1 -- Winker isn't giving up on 2014. "Whatever the next step is, I'm hoping I can come back for the last week of the season," Winker said. "We just have to wait and see with this process, when it heals. The doctor said two-to-four weeks, so I just have to sit back and let it heal." It's been a strange season for Winker, who is the team's top-rated position player by most accounts. The 21-year-old is hitting .287/.399/.518 with 15 home runs and 57 RBI through 74 games with high-Class A Bakersfield (53 games) and Pensacola (21 games). He not only appeared in the Futures Game, but also Carolina-California League All-Star Game, where he won the home run derby. Baseball America ranked him the No. 33 prospect in the game in its Midseason Top 50 Prospects list, calling him "one of the better pure hitters in the minors" while also touting his power potential. He also saw success in the first half with the Blaze, which won the first-half division title by eight games, going 45-25 over the first half. Winker also missed two weeks after suffering a concussion in a losing battle against an outfield wall in Modesto. All-in-all, it's been a strange season or the Florida native. "You never want to be hurt, I always want to be on the field with -- but with a concussion -- you can say it's been frustrating, but the success in between with our solid season at Bakersfield and then getting promoted to Pensacola, it's been cool, too," Winker said. "You never want to be hurt, it really stinks to sit there and watch, I'm a baseball player, I want to be on the field." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 7:19:09 GMT -5
Regarding Winker, here is a thought that crossed my mind. If he is able to play the last week of the season, which is doubtful of course, I wonder if they would consider putting him back in Bakersfield so that he could extend his season by a few games since they are in the Cal league playoffs. I'm not sure why the organization would want him to rush anything by playing this season again, but if they let him then they might as well get as many AB's as possible. That is assuming they wouldn't bring him up to Cincy and assuming the Bats don't pull off the extremely improbable and make the playoffs. Wahoo's are not going to the post season for certain.
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Post by kramer1 on Aug 17, 2014 10:46:30 GMT -5
Can we call up a gun and a blindfold, please?
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 18, 2014 13:47:38 GMT -5
Regarding Winker, here is a thought that crossed my mind. If he is able to play the last week of the season, which is doubtful of course, I wonder if they would consider putting him back in Bakersfield so that he could extend his season by a few games since they are in the Cal league playoffs. I'm not sure why the organization would want him to rush anything by playing this season again, but if they let him then they might as well get as many AB's as possible. That is assuming they wouldn't bring him up to Cincy and assuming the Bats don't pull off the extremely improbable and make the playoffs. Wahoo's are not going to the post season for certain. More likely I think they'll have Winker focus on preparing for the Arizona Fall League. Anything else, especially a demotion to single A, would merely be a distraction. I think the AFL is how they'll extend his season, and being prepared to make an impression is more important than a few ABs in Bakersfield (as he's proven in both 2013 and 2014 that he can mash single A pitching - nothing left for him to prove there). Yorman Rodriguez, Ryan LaMarre, Travis Mattair, Tucker Barnhart, Chad Rogers, James Walczak, Drew Hayes, and Mike Lorenzen were sent to the Arizona Fall League last year, but Yorman Rodriguez is the only guy who seems likely to return (Lorenzen has thrown so many innings). I don't know who else will be selected, but Jesse Winker and Raciel Iglesias look like the top candidates. Followed by Phil Ervin. And possibly Seth Mejias-Brean. After that, who knows. Of course I have no evidence whatsoever that Jesse Winker will go the AFL, it just makes sense to assume that he would, especially after all the time he's gotten to rest. Jesse Winker's numbers in AA - a .208 average, .326 OBP, and 2 homeruns in 77 - make it appear like he was overmatched, when it's easy to attribute much of the struggles to injuries sustained in his car accident immediately before his promotion. Plans to keep him in AA this season and start him in Louisville to begin 2015 might have been disrupted by his injury. The Arizona Fall League is the only opportunity Winker really has left to take a big step forward this year, against some of the best prospects in baseball. |
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Post by kinsm on Aug 18, 2014 23:27:34 GMT -5
To be eligible to play in the Arizona Fall League, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 4:27:39 GMT -5
To be eligible to play in the Arizona Fall League, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons. This rule I assume applies to players that have been injured(hence the disabled list) since guys at times make their professional debuts in the AFL. Seems a little odd that they have a 45 day rule like that, but I'm not doubting you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 4:32:39 GMT -5
Back to the subject of this thread, I'm not sure why you wait until September to recall Lutz and hand him the 1B job. Pena has done fine but the Reds are officially dead. Lutz has more than his share of detractors and doubters on this board but the guy is as hot right now as you are going to find him. Bring him up and insert him in there everyday and see what he can do. Seems like the Reds have guys in AAA that are going to walk away at the end of this season without so much as a look like Felix Perez, Lutz is at least on the 40 man and they have jerked him around between AA, AAA and MLB since the beginning of 2013. What harm wwould come of giving him a try? Would they lose 2 or 3 more games? Big Fecal Matter if they do.....
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 19, 2014 8:59:35 GMT -5
Back to the subject of this thread, I'm not sure why you wait until September to recall Lutz and hand him the 1B job. Pena has done fine but the Reds are officially dead. Lutz has more than his share of detractors and doubters on this board but the guy is as hot right now as you are going to find him. Bring him up and insert him in there everyday and see what he can do. Seems like the Reds have guys in AAA that are going to walk away at the end of this season without so much as a look like Felix Perez, Lutz is at least on the 40 man and they have jerked him around between AA, AAA and MLB since the beginning of 2013. What harm wwould come of giving him a try? Would they lose 2 or 3 more games? Big Fecal Matter if they do..... At no point have I seen the Reds demonstrate any interest in seeing Donald Lutz, and I doubt that changes in September. I don't get the sense that the Reds see Donald Lutz as part of their future. A strikeout machine with mediocre power might no longer be part of the Reds' gameplan. Lutz has managed to raise his average to .250 and OBP to .316 in AAA, with 5 homeruns, 12 BB, and 54 Ks in 156 ABs - not numbers that suggest he's deserving of a callup. He's still having a bad season in which he strikes out too much. Total, between AA and AAA, he's hit .290 with a .351 OBP, 11 HR, 19 BB, and 71 Ks in 245 ABs. In his MLB career he now has 4 walks and 25 strikeouts in 91 ABs. Swing and miss machine. It seems like cutting strikeout rates on the team is a priority after the past few years, and Brayan Pena (32 strikeouts in 277 ABs) is the toughest guy on the team to strike out (10.9% strikeout rate... interestingly Cozart is second toughest at 14.5%). Lutz would likely immediately become the easiest strikeout in the lineup, ahead of Bruce's 26.5%. Do the Reds, now that Brook Jacoby and Dusty Baker are gone, no longer care about high strikeout totals? Felix Perez hasn't done anything remarkable either, and seemingly lacks any of the tools that make a player stand out. I'm happy to see real prospects with chances of helping in the future get a chance, but I'm less excited to see minor league filler with no success, talent, or upside promoted on the justification that the team is bad already. |
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 19, 2014 13:30:31 GMT -5
To be eligible to play in the Arizona Fall League, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons. Wow, I wasn't aware of that rule. That seems pretty silly, in my opinion, if injuries sustained midway through the season can disqualify a top prospect like Jesse Winker from participating. Any idea why they do that? As in like an explanation for the benefit of that rule? I read a few days ago that an interviewer asked Jesse Winker if anybody had talked to him about going to the AFL, he said something about how he hadn't heard anything about it yet but that he'd be interested in participating. I guess they REALLY haven't even explained it to him that he's ineligible. I guess Phil Ervin is my new choice for the most likely Reds hitting prospect to go to the AFL, with hopes of redeeming himself and taking a step forward after a somewhat disappointing regular season. |
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Post by reds4life1986 on Aug 19, 2014 15:33:07 GMT -5
To be eligible to play in the Arizona Fall League, players on Minor League disabled lists must be activated at least 45 days before the conclusion of their respective seasons. Wow, I wasn't aware of that rule. That seems pretty silly, in my opinion, if injuries sustained midway through the season can disqualify a top prospect like Jesse Winker from participating. Any idea why they do that? As in like an explanation for the benefit of that rule? I read a few days ago that an interviewer asked Jesse Winker if anybody had talked to him about going to the AFL, he said something about how he hadn't heard anything about it yet but that he'd be interested in participating. I guess they REALLY haven't even explained it to him that he's ineligible. I guess Phil Ervin is my new choice for the most likely Reds hitting prospect to go to the AFL, with hopes of redeeming himself and taking a step forward after a somewhat disappointing regular season. Do you think ervin will repeat at dayton? Because of the start he had? Or if he plays well in the afl do you think hell be in high A? |
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Post by redsfanman on Aug 19, 2014 18:06:32 GMT -5
I have no idea where Phil Ervin will start next year. I think a strong argument can be made to return him to Dayton, but an equally strong argument can be made to push him to Bakersfield. A detour to the Arizona Fall League could help clarify things - if he goes there and hits ~.200 a return to Dayton may seem like the clear response, while hitting ~.300 might justify a promotion. Also his spring performance will likely factor heavily.
I wish it was just the injury-related bad start that was the problem, which had him hitting ~.210 with a ~.280 OBP through May. In June (.268/.358), July (.253/.325), and August (.242/.300) he's been better, but not nearly as much better as I would've hoped.
At this point he's flat out had a bad year, a big dropoff from last year's .331 average and .425 OBP, and the AFL is his last chance for some sort of redemption in 2014.
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