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Post by rockinredlegs on Apr 23, 2008 10:22:27 GMT -5
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Post by corpjet on Apr 23, 2008 10:26:21 GMT -5
yes he made some mistakes but overall he left this team in pretty good shape!
thanks for your time wayne, hope you land on your feet!
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Post by JHockey14 on Apr 23, 2008 10:28:38 GMT -5
wow. wasn't expecting this move when I woke up this morning  This organization really needs some consistency in their manager and GM. The firings so often prove the instability and incompetence of our head office and it really sets our organization back. It takes a solid plan in place to finally have a winning season but its hard to have a solid plan when there is no solidity in management. And thats why the players do not give full effort and who blames them. Their is no loyalty whom what so ever nor fair chances given out. Hire the right guy the first time and give him a fair 5 year chance for GM manager should get at least 3. just my .02 but needless to say I'm a little upset, we'll see how the team responds though  |
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 23, 2008 10:35:14 GMT -5
I think Krivsky just fell victim to the Good Ole Boy system....
It's a damn shame. All this optimism that surrounds this team, yet we fire the guy who created most of it....
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Post by The Duke on Apr 23, 2008 10:54:05 GMT -5
Hiring Jockety was a pretty clear indicator this was going to happen, but i'm still a little suprised by the timing of it. Overall, I think Wayne did a pretty good job, except for his contract extensions, which may have been his undoing. As long as we keep our current scouting director i'm OK with the move, and the state of the franchise going forward. I just hope Jockety shows a committment to the draft and latin america that are the best ways to keep a team like the Reds competitive over a long period of time.
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Post by missbaseball on Apr 23, 2008 10:54:49 GMT -5
Can't the Reds keep someone around more then 2 to 3 years and give the guy some time to work. Yes it has been just over 2 years but it takes longer than that to build a team.
honestly 2006 I think hurt him. To come so close to making the playoffs and then fall back to where they were hurt him. Have I agread with all his moves? No, but he has done a good job based on what he had to work with.
He had basicly no farm system to work with.
It takes time. I know people want things done now but it does not work that way. It DOES take TIME.
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Post by tmil23 on Apr 23, 2008 11:05:21 GMT -5
Unless Jocketty can hit the ball for them, I don't see much changing without some drastic player moves.
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Post by schellis on Apr 23, 2008 11:30:56 GMT -5
Other then a few moves I don't think Wayne did all that much.
he made really three great moves
Phillips for junk
Hamilton in rule 5
and even trading Hamilton for Volquez. You can say you rather have kept Hamilton and traded Votto, EE, or some other player instead but you don't know if there was a similar market.
The farm system revival that was done by O'Brien, Wayne was just getting to enjoy the work that O'Brien did.
Probably Waynes biggest accomplishment was not trading away the prospects.
I'm very leary of what Jocketty will do in that regard. His history is one of selling the farm and not really developing much.
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Post by missbaseball on Apr 23, 2008 11:52:48 GMT -5
Here is more on the Fireing.
From John Fay:
I've also heard that he and Walt Jocketty were not getting along great.
C Trent:
I'm surprised. This shows a supreme lack of patience by Bob Castellini. Three general managers in five years is too many to build a stable franchise. But Bob Castellini promised a winner, and I'm not sure if he completely understands that baseball is tough to win now and that Krivsky wasn't going to mortgage the future for the present.
I think it was too early.
There was an 11 a.m. meeting to get everything figured out.
Jocketty's first move will be to decide what to do with David Ross, whose rehab assignment ended yesterday.
Lance :
Things I'm told
Baseball people in and around the organization tell me the following today in reaction to Wayne's firing:
"The firing does not shock me...the timing does"
"My worry would be for the draft...six weeks away"
"Wayne was never as smart as he thought he was...and it turned more than a few off"
"Are Wayne's "guys" loyal to him? Do they stick around? Do they give less than their best effort for the draft...knowing they are probably gone at the end of the year?"
"I worry because it means yet another set of eyes will be brought in...and yet another approach and way of doing things will be put in place"
"What about all the scouts and minor league coaches Wayne hired?"
"Timing is strange...you can't do much to change this team now....they are what they are....a team not very well put together......I'd worry about it throwing the draft out of kilter. The draft for this team will be huge."
I also read he was fired do to the Reds slow start. When he controls when players get hot with the bat let me know so I can place some orders with him.
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Post by columbusbengal on Apr 23, 2008 11:54:09 GMT -5
Probably Waynes biggest accomplishment was not trading away the prospects. I'm very leary of what Jocketty will do in that regard. His history is one of selling the farm and not really developing much. Doesn't St Louis have some promising youngsters who are playing for them this year? |
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Post by missbaseball on Apr 23, 2008 11:59:29 GMT -5
to be honest with you I can think of 3 plays on the top of my head that the Cards may have drafted in,
Pujols
Wainwright
Ankiel
maybe Molina but I am less certain on him than the others.
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 23, 2008 12:03:02 GMT -5
to be honest with you I can think of 3 plays on the top of my head that the Cards may have drafted in, Pujols Wainwright Ankiel maybe Molina but I am less certain on him than the others. Wainright came from the Braves. |
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Post by missbaseball on Apr 23, 2008 12:03:15 GMT -5
here is the cards 25 man if you are intrested,
34 Randy Flores
31 Ryan Franklin
44 Jason Isringhausen
26 Kyle Lohse
41 Braden Looper
46 Kyle McClellan
35 Joel Pineiro
23 Anthony Reyes
36 Russ Springer
48 Brad Thompson
27 Ron Villone
50 Adam Wainwright
37 Todd Wellemeyer
21 Jason LaRue
4 Yadier Molina
8 Troy Glaus
3 Cesar Izturis
7 Adam Kennedy
5 Albert Pujols
12 Aaron Miles
24 Rick Ankiel
54 Brian Barton
16 Chris Duncan
47 Ryan Ludwick
55 Skip Schumaker
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Post by missbaseball on Apr 23, 2008 12:03:56 GMT -5
awnawboi21 thanks for that idbit.  |
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Post by corpjet on Apr 23, 2008 12:12:33 GMT -5
the jared burton rule 5 pickup was also another good move by wayne
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This organization really needs some consistency in their manager and GM. The firings so often prove the instability and incompetence of our head office and it really sets our organization back. It takes a solid plan in place to finally have a winning season but its hard to have a solid plan when there is no solidity in management. And thats why the players do not give full effort and who blames them. Their is no loyalty whom what so ever nor fair chances given out. Hire the right guy the first time and give him a fair 5 year chance for GM manager should get at least 3. just my .02 but needless to say I'm a little upset, we'll see how the team responds though 
