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Post by powerofcincy on Apr 20, 2008 18:42:08 GMT -5
Certainly possible, personally I don't think it's likely (I'm one of the few who sees, and is okay with, us keeping Griffey AND Dunn), but even if that turns out to be the case and they both leave, Hopper (yes, Hopper) can be developed into a working outfielder, and someone will come out of the minors by the time we need him to replace the other veteran, with Bruce as an anchor at center (and who knows how long Patterson sticks around).
And Freel is always there in case of emergency, but that's definitely a last resort...
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 20, 2008 18:45:47 GMT -5
Well, another consideration should be that both Dunn and Griffey could be gone during or after 2008. Griffey gone = Bruce full time RF Dunn gone = EE in left with Francisco probably up, or sign a LF which shouldn't be that hard (consider Jose Guillen in 03) I'd love to have kept Hamilton. I was upset when I saw that we traded him....until I saw VolKz' stats and the reviews. We practically breed outfielders, we haven't done the same pitching wise in how long? A chance had to be taken. |
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Post by Lark11 on Apr 20, 2008 19:00:55 GMT -5
Well, another consideration should be that both Dunn and Griffey could be gone during or after 2008. Griffey gone = Bruce full time RF Dunn gone = EE in left with Francisco probably up, or sign a LF which shouldn't be that hard (consider Jose Guillen in 03) I'd love to have kept Hamilton. I was upset when I saw that we traded him....until I saw VolKz' stats and the reviews. We practically breed outfielders, we haven't done the same pitching wise in how long? A chance had to be taken. Well, agree to disagree. I didn't like the Hamilton trade at the time and I still don't, but at this point it could hardly matter less, because it's already done. Also, I'm not sure we crank out the outfielders as often as commonly believed. We developed Dunn and Kearns. We acquired WMP (Given his lack of polish, I'm not sure anyone can claim to have "developed" WMP), J.Guillen, Freel, and Ken Griffey Jr. So, who else is there? Denorfia? Regardless, I think it was a mistake to keep Edwin and deal Hamilton. If we had kept Hamilton, we'd have a top notch centerfielder and if we dealt Edwin we'd be getting better defense at third from whatever warm body we plugged in there. As it stands, for 2009 we seem locked into either Dunn or Griffey or else an outfield of Hopper, Patterson, and Bruce. I'm not wild about either scenario. |
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Post by powerofcincy on Apr 20, 2008 19:18:24 GMT -5
Agreed, but we would not have gotten the return for Edwin that we got for Hamilton. To get something, we have to give something. Edwin doesn't count as something.
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Post by GMBurchfield on Apr 20, 2008 20:08:08 GMT -5
I very seriously doubt they are both gone.
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Post by powerofcincy on Apr 21, 2008 22:49:04 GMT -5
So do I. But that's not the popular school of thought.
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Post by columbusbengal on Apr 22, 2008 5:50:02 GMT -5
Regardless, I think it was a mistake to keep Edwin and deal Hamilton. If we had kept Hamilton, we'd have a top notch centerfielder and if we dealt Edwin we'd be getting better defense at third from whatever warm body we plugged in there. I agree with you about the outfield situation. However, we could never have gotten a prospect as hot as Volquez for EE. Also, please try to keep an open mind about EE's defense. He made three great plays last night. I think he will continue to get better. His throwing mistakes seem to be mental and I disagree with you about his fielding. I'm not saying he'll be great, but I still think he is improving overall and can continue to improve. |
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Post by redsinidaho on Apr 22, 2008 9:13:00 GMT -5
i really think there is some validity to the hamiliton demanding a trade or at least expressing his displeasure over the firing of the narrons. i like hamilton and he was my favorite story from last season, but we have no idea what was going on in the clubhouse. extra treatment for a rookie may have been a tough pill for some of the vets to swallow.
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Post by redsinidaho on Apr 22, 2008 9:15:01 GMT -5
Well, another consideration should be that both Dunn and Griffey could be gone during or after 2008. Griffey gone = Bruce full time RF Dunn gone = EE in left with Francisco probably up, or sign a LF which shouldn't be that hard (consider Jose Guillen in 03) I'd love to have kept Hamilton. I was upset when I saw that we traded him....until I saw VolKz' stats and the reviews. We practically breed outfielders, we haven't done the same pitching wise in how long? A chance had to be taken. do you really think EE can play the OF? has he ever played in the OF? |
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 22, 2008 10:34:23 GMT -5
Griffey gone = Bruce full time RF Dunn gone = EE in left with Francisco probably up, or sign a LF which shouldn't be that hard (consider Jose Guillen in 03) I'd love to have kept Hamilton. I was upset when I saw that we traded him....until I saw VolKz' stats and the reviews. We practically breed outfielders, we haven't done the same pitching wise in how long? A chance had to be taken. Well, agree to disagree. I didn't like the Hamilton trade at the time and I still don't, but at this point it could hardly matter less, because it's already done. Also, I'm not sure we crank out the outfielders as often as commonly believed. We developed Dunn and Kearns. We acquired WMP (Given his lack of polish, I'm not sure anyone can claim to have "developed" WMP), J.Guillen, Freel, and Ken Griffey Jr. So, who else is there? Denorfia? Regardless, I think it was a mistake to keep Edwin and deal Hamilton. If we had kept Hamilton, we'd have a top notch centerfielder and if we dealt Edwin we'd be getting better defense at third from whatever warm body we plugged in there. As it stands, for 2009 we seem locked into either Dunn or Griffey or else an outfield of Hopper, Patterson, and Bruce. I'm not wild about either scenario. I mean, don't get me wrong, you absolutely HATE to lose Hamilton....but we need another outfielder like a hole in the head. What we needed is was pitching and we got it. Maybe dealing EE would have been a better idea, but then we would be even MORE left handed dominant. We may not produce them all, but we seem to scout them pretty well and know who to take in. Juan Encarnacion was also a pretty good one, and we got a good return on him (at the time.) |
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 22, 2008 10:36:07 GMT -5
i really think there is some validity to the hamiliton demanding a trade or at least expressing his displeasure over the firing of the narrons. i like hamilton and he was my favorite story from last season, but we have no idea what was going on in the clubhouse. extra treatment for a rookie may have been a tough pill for some of the vets to swallow. I agree, it all seems to be too much to be a coincidence. |
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 22, 2008 10:37:18 GMT -5
Griffey gone = Bruce full time RF Dunn gone = EE in left with Francisco probably up, or sign a LF which shouldn't be that hard (consider Jose Guillen in 03) I'd love to have kept Hamilton. I was upset when I saw that we traded him....until I saw VolKz' stats and the reviews. We practically breed outfielders, we haven't done the same pitching wise in how long? A chance had to be taken. do you really think EE can play the OF? has he ever played in the OF? Well, if Adam Dunn can play LF, I think Edwin can. He's much more athletic than Dunn, he'd just have to know how to read the ball. He'd also have to get rid of the sidearm throwing motion, which could help him. |
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 22, 2008 10:37:52 GMT -5
I very seriously doubt they are both gone. Yeah, I think Dunn stays unless Griffey agrees to move to LF, which I don't see happening. |
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Post by redsinidaho on Apr 22, 2008 11:40:40 GMT -5
do you really think EE can play the OF? has he ever played in the OF? Well, if Adam Dunn can play LF, I think Edwin can. He's much more athletic than Dunn, he'd just have to know how to read the ball. He'd also have to get rid of the sidearm throwing motion, which could help him. i am not saying that EE cant play the OF, but I think its a lot easier said than dunn....haha, had to do it. anyways, it would be a major adjustment at this point in his career to move to the OF and learn the angles and reads off the ball. anyone have any idea if he has ever played the OF? |
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Post by awnawboi21 on Apr 22, 2008 11:56:21 GMT -5
Well, if Adam Dunn can play LF, I think Edwin can. He's much more athletic than Dunn, he'd just have to know how to read the ball. He'd also have to get rid of the sidearm throwing motion, which could help him. i am not saying that EE cant play the OF, but I think its a lot easier said than dunn....haha, had to do it. anyways, it would be a major adjustment at this point in his career to move to the OF and learn the angles and reads off the ball. anyone have any idea if he has ever played the OF? I don't know if he's done it, but I think I could strap on the cleats and play a decent left field. I haven't played true baseball in a while and I've never in my life played left. |
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