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Post by kinsm on May 27, 2015 22:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by kinsm on May 27, 2015 22:03:40 GMT -5
Isn't the pick basically a failure if he's already being relegated to the pen less than a year after being drafted 19th overall? I mean 2 million $ for a reliever and passing on so many others with higher ceilings...SMH.
This organization needs new leadership.
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Post by Yossarian on May 27, 2015 22:15:54 GMT -5
We're not going to lose anymore.
But we are going to draft in such a way that makes winning nearly impossible; sign Fecal Matter players to Fecal Matter deals; and do just about everything else wrong, too.
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Post by floydgator on May 27, 2015 23:10:37 GMT -5
It's worse than that. He appears to be a bad reliever. And Ervin isn't much better. At least Blandino appears to be moving quickly. He figures to be in Pensacola by the second half of the season.
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Post by Lark11 on May 27, 2015 23:16:15 GMT -5
He's obviously lost control of the strikezone. I don't see the harm in shifting him back to the bullpen to try to get straightened out.
That said, I wasn't wild about the pick, because why not grab more of a sure-thing? Why grab a player who has to be shifted to a new role to be a success? Grab one who is already in that role.
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Post by rocky15231 on May 28, 2015 11:24:30 GMT -5
Funny. Some were super high on Howard to start the season. Many had him as one of the top 2 or 3 pitchers in the organization. Much higher on Garrett, despite his age. I can at least see him contributing at the MLB level, even though he might be 26 or 27 before he makes it. Ervin isn't awful.
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Post by schellis on May 28, 2015 14:24:42 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about drafting players then moving them up the spectrum. Like drafting a 3B and trying to turn him into a middle IF or a RP and trying to make him into a starter.
Perhaps if it is a late first rounder you can do that, but if its a mid to early pick there has to be a better pick to make.
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Post by rocky15231 on May 28, 2015 14:53:19 GMT -5
I'd be fine with taking a college pitcher, but Howard is closer to unemployment than he is to the major leagues.
On the contrary, Brandon Finnegan was taken 2 picks earlier and pitched in ever series of the post-season for KC.
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Post by redsfanman on May 28, 2015 19:57:49 GMT -5
'This organization needs new leadership'. I agree. I think scouting director Chris Buckley has done a pretty good job with the draft over the years, and deserves to be spared from a leadership shakeup, though.
I wasn't wild about the Nick Howard pick either, but I understood and accepted that they felt he was the most talented guy available at #19. Maybe they should've drafted high schooler Grant Holmes (who got $500,000 more of the draft pool) instead. A total inability to throw strikes didn't seem to be a concern for Howard until this season started. There's plenty of time for him to turn things around, though, before he becomes a failed draft pick.
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Post by mackenzie45220 on Jun 7, 2015 11:14:40 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about drafting players then moving them up the spectrum. Like drafting a 3B and trying to turn him into a middle IF or a RP and trying to make him into a starter. Perhaps if it is a late first rounder you can do that, but if its a mid to early pick there has to be a better pick to make. First of all, if the last reference is to Blandino, I don't think they think he'll be a middle infielder, I think they're just willing to give him a shot there. Howard has lost control, but in general, I'm not opposed to drafting a college reliever and making him a minor league starter because too many college starters get overused and have ridiculous pitch counts. There's a lot of evidence college pitchers have more Tommy John surgery, but it hasn't happened to Cingrani (that was a shoulder issue), Lorenzen, or Howard (granted he just started), and that's probably because they didn't have to deal with 5 120 pitch outings their last year in college, unlike Carlos Rodon, a Tommy John case waiting to happen.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 7, 2015 22:13:47 GMT -5
The problem with converting relievers to starters is the Reds are picking these players with their top pick(s), I'm fine with it as a 4th round plus jab in the dark but your first pick? You couldn't find a better looking prospect with that pick who doesn't need to be converted?
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Post by redskoolaiddrinker on Jun 8, 2015 8:24:45 GMT -5
The problem with converting relievers to starters is the Reds are picking these players with their top pick(s), I'm fine with it as a 4th round plus jab in the dark but your first pick? You couldn't find a better looking prospect with that pick who doesn't need to be converted? I agree about that first round pick. I'd even be ok w second round but definitely not a first.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 8, 2015 10:18:10 GMT -5
Choose the best player available.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 8, 2015 15:08:35 GMT -5
Choose the best player available. Wasn't Grant Holmes still available with our pick instead of grabbing Howard? I mean Holmes throws near 100 mph and is still projected as a starter in the Dodgers future as far as I know.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 8, 2015 18:33:28 GMT -5
Howard picked up his first professional save last night.
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