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Oct 28, 2014 21:36:45 GMT -5
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 28, 2014 21:36:45 GMT -5
If you could select any player off of the Royals roster and place him on the 2015 Reds, who would choose?
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 28, 2014 21:47:13 GMT -5
If you could select any player off of the Royals roster and place him on the 2015 Reds, who would choose? Gordon or Escobar...
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 28, 2014 22:49:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Gordon is probably the best choice. If I buy into Hosmer's stepforward, he might be a good choice, little doubt he can handle LF. The dark horse candidate would be Lorenzo Cain. I wonder how many homers he could club in GABP. If he could get to the 12-15 range, he'd be intriguing, shifting Bruce to left.
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Oct 28, 2014 23:20:43 GMT -5
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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 28, 2014 23:20:43 GMT -5
Gordon!
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Post by schellis on Oct 29, 2014 7:25:52 GMT -5
Danny Duffy or Yordano Ventura.
While I will admit that Gordon would help the 2015 Reds the most, I think bringing in a young cost controlled arm is never a bad choice. It would allow the Reds to deal one of their arms for bat to fill SS or LF.
If it is only for 2015 though the choice has to be Gordon.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 29, 2014 7:40:55 GMT -5
The dark horse candidate would be Lorenzo Cain. I wonder how many homers he could club in GABP. If he could get to the 12-15 range, he'd be intriguing, shifting Bruce to left. Cain's a difficult call because he's an odd player: fast but doesn't steal all that many bases; strong but doesn't hit for much power; and a rather high strikeout rate for a hitter who's mainly his batting average. He's a good player but doesn't maximize his value in any particular area. Arguably, defense/run prevention is his most consistent strength...
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 29, 2014 7:58:37 GMT -5
Alex Gordon. I wanted him targeted back when the Reds ended up with Choo. As a good OBP guy who fields well and has some power, and is signed through 2015 (with an option for 2016) Gordon would be a perfect fit for the Reds. Except he'll make $12.5m, of course.
I don't think Eric Hosmer or Lorenzo Cain would be particularly good fits for the Reds' needs. Cain had a better 2014 season than Billy Hamilton, but he's ~6 years older and headed to salary arbitration for the first time. Going forward I'd prefer sticking with Hamilton in CF. Cain hasn't shown signs of hitting well enough to play a corner. As Lark says, run prevention may be Cain's greatest strength... same can be said about Hamilton.
Alcides Escobar had a good season, but I also don't think he's anything special. He's a better hitter than Cozart, but still not a good hitter, although he gets paid a bunch more. There are lots of shortstops I'd prefer over Escobar. Escobar would be a new face for the shortstop problem, rather than the end to the shortstop problem.
Despite the success and talent of Shields, Ventura, and Duffy, I don't think another starting pitcher is a great need for the 2015 Reds. They might be the best improvement for other teams, but not the Reds.
Most likely Royal players to be on the 2015 Reds, in my opinion, is Nori Aoki.
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Post by bobroberts on Oct 29, 2014 8:35:20 GMT -5
Short term- Alex Gordan
Long term- One of their young cost controlled arms
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 29, 2014 11:26:07 GMT -5
The dark horse candidate would be Lorenzo Cain. I wonder how many homers he could club in GABP. If he could get to the 12-15 range, he'd be intriguing, shifting Bruce to left. Cain's a difficult call because he's an odd player: fast but doesn't steal all that many bases; strong but doesn't hit for much power; and a rather high strikeout rate for a hitter who's mainly his batting average. He's a good player but doesn't maximize his value in any particular area. Arguably, defense/run prevention is his most consistent strength... Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. He's so athletic, it seems like he should be better than he is. So, is there still upside to his game? Or, does he lack the baseball specific skills needed to breakthrough to a new performance level?
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Post by Dustrated on Oct 29, 2014 12:44:17 GMT -5
Is there a single former Red on the Royals roster? If not this question was probably pretty tough for someone on this board.
Are there any other teams in MLB that do not have at least one former Red on their team? Looking everywhere to find some way to query that.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 29, 2014 13:16:24 GMT -5
Is there a single former Red on the Royals roster? If not this question was probably pretty tough for someone on this board. Are there any other teams in MLB that do not have at least one former Red on their team? Looking everywhere to find some way to query that. Bruce Chen spent the past 6 seasons with the Royals, and pitched 13 games (7 starts) and 48.1 innings for the Royals this year. He pitched 39 games (39.2 innings) for the Reds in 2002. He was released by the Royals on September 5th, but spent most of 2014 with the Royals. Donnie Joseph, a former Reds prospect who the Reds traded for Jonathan Broxton (along with JC Sulbaran), pitched in a game for the Royals earlier this year, before being shipped to the Marlins in June. Joseph pitched in the Reds' farm system from 2009-2012, although has only pitched 7 games in MLB, all with the Royals. So, no, no former Reds are currently on the Royals roster, but two former Reds pitched for them this year, one of them for most of the year. Aoki and Infante are the only guys currently on the team who have had a particularly successful time in the NL, not just with the Reds. Josh Willingham too, but he's only had 4 plate appearances this postseason. Raul Ibanez, Justin Maxwell, Kratz, Nix, Guthrie, Vargas, and others have played in the NL. The point is, it's not like Reds players are noticeably absent from the 2014 Royals... former NL players are noticeably absent in general. Former Cardinals, Giants, Braves, whatever NL team you think has been good, they're not well represented on the 2014 Royals. The 2014 Cardinals didn't have a single former Red play for them this year. Nationals, Orioles, Mariners, Astros, Phillies, Mets, and Marlins didn't either. Many other teams carried a backup outfielder, 12th reliever, or so on who once pitched for the Reds. Like Jared Burton or Chris Valaika or many others. Yankees used Jeff Francis. Dodgers used Roger Bernadina. If you're looking for former Reds players who a team relies heavily on, there are only a few floating around.... but if you're looking for anyone who ever played for the Reds, only 8 of the 29 other teams successfully avoided using former Reds entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 17:18:32 GMT -5
Dyson Because he would be affordable and because our manager loves to run with a club with little overall team speed. Billy/Jarrod 1 and 2 in the order hope they can get on base enough and run run and run some more. Also upgrades the OF def. No it doesn't solve the Right handed hitting middle of the order LF bat that is needed but it gives you two jack rabbits at the top.
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Post by schellis on Oct 29, 2014 20:14:31 GMT -5
Dyson Because he would be affordable and because our manager loves to run with a club with little overall team speed. Billy/Jarrod 1 and 2 in the order hope they can get on base enough and run run and run some more. Also upgrades the OF def. No it doesn't solve the Right handed hitting middle of the order LF bat that is needed but it gives you two jack rabbits at the top. Well if you want to solve the right handed hitting middle of the order bat you aren't getting that from KC. The Reds have two slots that can be upgraded in some fashion. LF and SS. Gordon is a lefty and Escobar isn't a middle of the order bat. However if you want a speedy type that will likely not hurt the pocket book that would provide the Reds with something they could use then Aoki isn't a bad option to hit behind Hamilton. High contact pesky hitter that does a lot of little things well. Provided Frazier and Mesoraco aren't flukes and Votto/Bruce come back healthy he could be a player that really fits the Reds needs. Not every player on a team needs to be a all star. Having someone on the team that could take a few pitches for Hamilton to run on and still be able to get a hit to move him along would be a asset.
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Post by kosarb on Oct 30, 2014 14:17:34 GMT -5
I agree Gordon would be the short term player I would grab. If the question is long term, I would be stuck between Duffy and Ventura...
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 31, 2014 11:16:33 GMT -5
I don't think starting pitching is really a long term need for the Reds, even with the guys headed to free agency following 2015. In general adding years of a starting pitcher sounds reasonable, but that doesn't seem to very accurately reflect the Reds' farm system or future needs.
Stephenson, Lorenzen, Travieso, Iglesias, Lively, Amir Garrett, Sal Romano, and others seem promising. The system is stacked with starting pitchers and, to some extent, outfielders. Acquiring more starting pitchers should be this organization's last priority.
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