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Post by The Duke on Sept 28, 2011 21:57:19 GMT -5
| Rank | Name | Position | Bats | Thr | Height | Weight | Age | Date of Birth | Level | Home/School | Notes | ETA | Prev Rank | Chg | | 1 | Devin Mesoraco | C | RH | RH | "6'1""" | 220 | 23.00 | 6/19/1988 | AAA | Punxsutawney, PA | + Power, + Arm, + OBP, + Contact | 2012 | 1 | 0 | | 2 | Yasmani Grandal | C | SH | RH | "6'2""" | 215 | 22.00 | 11/8/1988 | AA | Miami | + Power, + OBP, + Contact | 2012 | 2 | 0 | | 3 | Yonder Alonso | 1B | LH | RH | "6'2""" | 210 | 24.00 | 4/8/1987 | AAA | Miami | + Power, ++ OBP, + Contact | 2011 | 3 | 0 | | 4 | Dan Corcino | SP | RH | RH | "5'11""" | 165 | 21.00 | 8/26/1990 | A- | Azua, DR | 93-95 Fastball, + Slider, + Command | 2014 | 7 | 3 | | 5 | Robert Stephenson | SP | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 190 | 18.00 | 7/24/1993 | Draft | Martinez, CA | 92-94, hits 98, 12-6 curve, + control | 2015 | 5 | 0 | | 6 | Billy Hamilton | SS | SH | RH | "6'1""" | 160 | 21.00 | 9/9/1990 | A- | Taylorsville, MS | ++ Athlete, ++ Speed, Raw | 2015 | 6 | 0 | | 7 | Zack Cozart | SS | RH | RH | "6'0""" | 195 | 26.00 | 8/12/1985 | INJ | Mississippi | + Defense, + OBP, + Power | 2011 | 4 | -3 | | 8 | Ronald Torreyes | 2B | RH | RH | "5'7""" | 150 | 19.00 | 9/2/1992 | A- | Venezuela | ++ Contact, + Intangibles, ++ Defense | 2015 | 8 | 0 | | 9 | Todd Frazier | 3B | RH | RH | "6'3""" | 220 | 25.00 | 2/12/1986 | MLB | Rutgers | + Contact, + Power, Versatile | 2011 | 12 | 3 | | 10 | Yorman Rodriquez | CF | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 184 | 19.00 | 8/15/1992 | A- | Venezuela | 5 Tool Player, Immature | 2016 | 9 | -1 | | 11 | Mariekson Gregorious | SS | LH | RH | "6'1""" | 175 | 21.00 | 2/18/1990 | A+ | Amsterdam | + Contact, good range, speed | 2014 | 19 | 8 | | 12 | Dave Sappelt | CF | RH | RH | "5'9""" | 193 | 24.00 | 1/2/1987 | AAA | Coastal Carolina | + Def, + Speed, ++ Contact | 2011 | 10 | -2 | | 13 | Henry Rodriquez | 2B | SH | RH | "5'10""" | 150 | 21.00 | 2/9/1990 | AA | Venezuela | + Contact, Suprising pop | 2013 | 11 | -2 | | 14 | David Vidal | 3B | RH | RH | "5'11""" | 185 | 21.00 | 10/23/1989 | A- | Miami Dade CC South | Solid across the board player | 2015 | 20 | 6 | | 15 | JC Sulbaran | SP | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 220 | 21.00 | 11/9/1989 | A+ | Plantation, FL | Misses bats, walks too many | 2014 | 16 | 1 | | 16 | Brad Boxberger | RP | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 190 | 23.00 | 5/27/1988 | AAA | USC | + Fastball, + Curveball | 2012 | 13 | -3 | | 17 | Juan Duran | RF | RH | RH | "6'7""" | 204 | 20.00 | 9/2/1991 | A- | Santo Domingo, DR | ++ Power, + Arm, + OBP, Raw | 2015 | 14 | -3 | | 18 | Netali Soto | 1B | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 210 | 22.00 | 2/28/1989 | AA | Manati, Puerto Rico | + Contact, + Power, - OBP, - Def | 2013 | 15 | -3 | | 19 | Tony Cingrani | RP | LH | LH | "6'5""" | 205 | 22.00 | 7/5/1989 | BL | Rice | 93-95, Top 98, Curve, Slider | 2013 | 29 | 10 | | 20 | Ryan Lamarre | CF | RH | LH | "6'2""" | 185 | 22.00 | 11/21/1988 | A+ | Michigan | 5 Above Average Tools | 2013 | 28 | 8 | | 21 | Denis Phipps | RF | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 177 | 26.00 | 7/22/1985 | AAA | San Pedro, DR | - | 2012 | 38 | 17 | | 22 | Juan Francisco | 3B | LH | RH | "6'2""" | 220 | 24.00 | 6/24/1987 | INJ | Bonao, DR | ++ Pwr, - OBP, - Def | 2011 | 17 | -5 | | 23 | Daniel Renken | SP | RH | RH | "6'3""" | 190 | 22.00 | 7/5/1989 | A+ | Cal State Fullerton | Good breaking stuff, control | 2015 | 23 | 0 | | 24 | Kyle Waldrop | RF | LH | LH | "6'3""" | 190 | 19.00 | 11/26/1991 | BL | Riverdale HS (FL) | Above slot draftee, + tools | 2015 | 26 | 2 | | 25 | Tucker Barnhart | C | SH | RH | "5'8""" | 185 | 20.00 | 1/7/1991 | A- | Brownsburg, IN | + Contact, + Arm, + Defense | 2015 | 18 | -7 | | 26 | Brodie Greene | SS | RH | RH | "6'1""" | 190 | 24.00 | 9/25/1987 | A+ | Texas A&M | 2010 4th Rd Pick | 2013 | 34 | 8 | | 27 | Junior Arias | 3B | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 178 | 19.00 | 1/9/1992 | BL | Dominican Republic | + Contact, + Power, + Tools | 2016 | 39 | 12 | | 28 | Pedro Villareal | SP | RH | RH | "6'1""" | 215 | 23.00 | 12/9/1987 | AA | Dallas, TX | Has shown good control this year | 2013 | 33 | 5 | | 29 | Josh Smith | SP | RH | RH | "6'2""" | 220 | 24.00 | 8/7/1987 | A- | Lipscomb U | + Fastball, + Curveball, avg Changeup | 2014 | 22 | -7 | | 30 | Donald Lutz | 1B | RH | RH | "6'4""" | 230 | 22.00 | 2/6/1989 | A- | - | Emerging hitter, + Power | 2014 | 49 | 19 | | 31 | Juan Silva | RF | LH | LH | "6'0""" | 190 | 20.00 | 1/8/1991 | BL | Puerto Rico | Top PR Hitter in 2009 Draft | 2015 | 30 | -1 | | 32 | Jeremy Horst | RP | LH | LH | "6'4""" | 220 | 25.00 | 10/1/1985 | MLB | Armstrong Atlantic St | + Control, + Changeup | 2011 | 27 | -5 | | 33 | Ismael Guillon | SP | LH | LH | "6'3""" | 185 | 19.00 | 2/13/1992 | BL | Venezuela | 90-93, + Changeup | 2015 | 21 | -12 | | 34 | Stephen Hunt | RF | LH | LH | "6'0""" | 190 | 22.00 | 1/11/1989 | A+ | South Florida | Solid all around tools | 2013 | 25 | -9 | | 35 | Alex Buchholz | 2B | RH | RH | "6'0""" | 182 | 23.00 | 9/30/1987 | INJ | Delaware | + Contact, decent glove | 2012 | 53 | 18 | | 36 | Nick Christiani | RP | RH | RH | "6'0""" | 195 | 24.00 | 7/17/1987 | AAA | Vanderbilt | Groundball control pitcher | 2012 | 24 | -12 | | 37 | Dominick D'Anna | 1B | LH | RH | "6'1""" | 215 | 22.00 | 12/23/1988 | A- | Cal St Northridge | Good plate discipline | 2014 | 45 | 8 | | 38 | Don Jospeh | RP | LH | LH | "6'3""" | 190 | 23.00 | 11/1/1987 | AA | Houston | 91-96, + Slider, Changeup | 2012 | 35 | -3 | | 39 | Sean Buckley | 3B | RH | RH | "6'4""" | 220 | 22.00 | 9/3/1989 | BL | St Petersburg JC | Son of scouting director Chris Buckley | 2014 | UNR | 12 | | 40 | Josh Fellhauer | LF | LH | LH | "5'11""" | 175 | 23.00 | 3/24/1988 | A+ | Cal State Fullerton | Solid all around player | 2013 | 47 | 7 | | 41 | Josh Ravin | SP | RH | RH | "6'4""" | 220 | 23.00 | 1/21/1988 | A+ | Chatsworth, CA | + Fastball, Command issues | 2013 | 37 | -4 | | 42 | Wes Mugarian | SP | RH | RH | "6'0""" | 185 | 20.00 | 9/18/1991 | BL | Pensacola Catholic HS (FL) | Set area HS record for Wins | 2015 | 49 | 7 | | 43 | Jacob Johnson | SP | RH | RH | "6'4""" | 215 | 21.00 | 9/12/1990 | INJ | Trinity Christian Acad | Groundball Pitcher | 2014 | 32 | -11 | | 44 | Gabriel Rosa | CF | RH | RH | "6'4""" | 185 | 18.00 | 7/2/1993 | Draft | Colegio Hector Urdaneta | + Speed, + Power, + Athlete, Raw | 2016 | 44 | 0 | | 45 | Stalin Gerson | SP | RH | RH | "6'4""" | 175 | 23.00 | 8/26/1988 | A- | Monte Cristi, DR | Emerging year, good frame | | 40 | -5 | | 46 | Daryl Thompson | SP | RH | RH | "6'0""" | 205 | 25.00 | 11/2/1985 | AAA | La Plata, MD | + Changeup, shoulder inj | 2009 | 41 | -5 | | 47 | Theodis Bowe | LF | LH | LH | "5'9""" | 160 | 21.00 | 8/5/1990 | A- | Ellendale, DE | ++ Speed, + Contact, - Arm | 2015 | 46 | -1 | | 48 | Jordan Hotchkiss | SP | RH | RH | "6'3""" | 215 | 23.00 | 11/20/1987 | INJ | Brevard College | Emerging year in 2010 | 2012 | 43 | -5 | | 49 | Drew Cisco | SP | RH | RH | "6'0""" | 205 | 20.00 | 7/20/1991 | INJ | Waldo HS, SC | 88-92, + Command, Curve, Change | 2015 | 54 | 5 | | 50 | Mitch Clarke | RP | RH | LH | "6'2""" | 220 | 21.00 | 8/29/1990 | BL | Canada | - | | UNR | 1 |
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Post by quantumfootball on Sept 29, 2011 0:50:10 GMT -5
Juan Francisco has more than 130 PA.
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Post by bobroberts on Sept 29, 2011 1:14:10 GMT -5
Thanks again for doing these lists, but is there a reason Soto dropped from your midseason rankings? Given his epic second half, a strong case could be made for him being in the top 10...
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Post by The Duke on Sept 29, 2011 6:32:32 GMT -5
Thanks again for doing these lists, but is there a reason Soto dropped from your midseason rankings? Given his epic second half, a strong case could be made for him being in the top 10... The biggest reason I dinged Soto some was he still has a lot of concerns. Average wasn't stellar, is being pegged more and more as a 1B only guy, and I just liked the other guys more. In retrospect I might drop Duran a few spots, but he does have a very good eye and takes a lot of walks. I'll probably revise the list at least once more this offseason for a couple little quirks and that I forgot to take Francisco out. |
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Post by kinsm on Sept 29, 2011 7:13:41 GMT -5
way too low on this years draft picks
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Post by stock on Sept 29, 2011 9:24:55 GMT -5
I don't really understand the continued love for Frazier. He wasn't in my top 10 to begin the season. He would barely make my to 20 now. Placing him ahead of Yorman makes no sense.
I am alone here but I like Sappelt and Torreyes more than Yonder. I think Sappelt beats out Yonder for LF AB next year. I think when healthy Sappelt has a better bat than Yonder. The defense in LF isn't even close. I understand that Torreyes will have to reprove himself several more times before everyone believes. My guess is he will hit the weights big time this off season.
Soto was coming off 9 BB in 19 games when Soto threatened the top 10. Until just the end of the season he forgot that working the count and waiting for your pitch was a good thing.
I like Henry Rodriguez but only enough to move him ahead of Frazier and DiDi on this list.
Phipps is a bit old for a prospect but this year had to raise some eyebrows. I like his slot.
Rosa at 44 seems a bit harsh. I would slot him 30-35.
If Francisco were elgible he would be in the top 11.
I think there is a big gap between who I consider #10 (Corcino) and #11 (Henry Rodriguez). I think 3-10 are very close.
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Post by floydgator on Sept 30, 2011 9:26:55 GMT -5
Hamilton is too low, imo. Everybody talks about how raw Hamilton is, but the guy hit .280 with 100 steals, and he was well over .300 for the 2nd half of the season. He's certainly higher risk than some others, but he's got the highest ceiling of anybody in the system. Frankly, I'd have him 3rd behind Mesoraco and Alonso, and I'd consider putting him ahead of Alonso as well.
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Post by alwaysred on Sept 30, 2011 19:56:18 GMT -5
I know Cingrani, listed as a reliever here, was a closer with Rice, but I was thinking he was starting in our system and thriving as a starter (obviously doesn't mean he has to remain there). Interested to know Duke or anyone else if you project him as a reliever maybe in the Norm Charlton mold or think his value is higher as a starter? Thnaks for your hard work.
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Post by The Duke on Sept 30, 2011 20:37:07 GMT -5
I know Cingrani, listed as a reliever here, was a closer with Rice, but I was thinking he was starting in our system and thriving as a starter (obviously doesn't mean he has to remain there). Interested to know Duke or anyone else if you project him as a reliever maybe in the Norm Charlton mold or think his value is higher as a starter? Thnaks for your hard work. The Reds have him as a SP, I just forgot to update it. |
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Post by sagevic on Oct 4, 2011 13:32:29 GMT -5
Obviously with a prospect list there's always a signifigant degree of chance involved in rating these kids.
But I really do appreciate the time you put into the board, Duke.
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Post by mcwax on Oct 5, 2011 0:10:03 GMT -5
Bowe's a stretch I think. His numbers declined month by month at Dayton. It's his 4th year in the system. I wouldn't cut him loose from the org but probably from the Top 50.
I like Juan Perez who did great at AZL and good at Billings. A quick multiplier (of 3) against his 52 game totals would have him posting these full season numbers:
156 games
645 ab's
126 runs
204 hits
33 doubles
21 triples
12 homers
96 rbi
75 bb
114 k's
45 steals
12 cs
That's just to give you an idea of the pace, not that we'll see these kind of numbers at Dayton. Still he's intriguing enough (2B, left-handed hitter) to topple someone like Bowe.
I also think Soto is low. He showed ++ power for sure. Francisco never hit 30 in a year despite topping 500 ab's 3 times. Soto doing it in 379 is darn impressive. I don't think his obp will be that great, he's probably just earned some respect.
Frazier's +contact is in question. I don't see him breaking .260 as a major leaguer. But his slg was promising - plenty of power.
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Post by kramer1 on Oct 6, 2011 4:26:03 GMT -5
I don't really understand the continued love for Frazier. He wasn't in my top 10 to begin the season. He would barely make my to 20 now. Placing him ahead of Yorman makes no sense. I am alone here but I like Sappelt and Torreyes more than Yonder. I think Sappelt beats out Yonder for LF AB next year. I think when healthy Sappelt has a better bat than Yonder. The defense in LF isn't even close. I understand that Torreyes will have to reprove himself several more times before everyone believes. My guess is he will hit the weights big time this off season. Soto was coming off 9 BB in 19 games when Soto threatened the top 10. Until just the end of the season he forgot that working the count and waiting for your pitch was a good thing. I like Henry Rodriguez but only enough to move him ahead of Frazier and DiDi on this list. Phipps is a bit old for a prospect but this year had to raise some eyebrows. I like his slot. Rosa at 44 seems a bit harsh. I would slot him 30-35. If Francisco were elgible he would be in the top 11. I think there is a big gap between who I consider #10 (Corcino) and #11 (Henry Rodriguez). I think 3-10 are very close. Your love for Sappelt is odd to say the least. Yonder is the far superior hitter. There's literally no comparison. Sappelt will not make the team in 2012. Yonder will be your starting LF'er if he isn't traded. If he is the next in line is Heisey. |
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Post by stock on Oct 6, 2011 22:35:38 GMT -5
I don't really understand the continued love for Frazier. He wasn't in my top 10 to begin the season. He would barely make my to 20 now. Placing him ahead of Yorman makes no sense. I am alone here but I like Sappelt and Torreyes more than Yonder. I think Sappelt beats out Yonder for LF AB next year. I think when healthy Sappelt has a better bat than Yonder. The defense in LF isn't even close. I understand that Torreyes will have to reprove himself several more times before everyone believes. My guess is he will hit the weights big time this off season. Soto was coming off 9 BB in 19 games when Soto threatened the top 10. Until just the end of the season he forgot that working the count and waiting for your pitch was a good thing. I like Henry Rodriguez but only enough to move him ahead of Frazier and DiDi on this list. Phipps is a bit old for a prospect but this year had to raise some eyebrows. I like his slot. Rosa at 44 seems a bit harsh. I would slot him 30-35. If Francisco were elgible he would be in the top 11. I think there is a big gap between who I consider #10 (Corcino) and #11 (Henry Rodriguez). I think 3-10 are very close. Your love for Sappelt is odd to say the least. Yonder is the far superior hitter. There's literally no comparison. Sappelt will not make the team in 2012. Yonder will be your starting LF'er if he isn't traded. If he is the next in line is Heisey. Yonder Alonso AA 282/380/432/812 Dave Sappelt AA 361/416/548/964 Yonder Alonso AAA 296/364/478/842 Dave Sappelt AAA 316/374/464/838 Offensively Sappelt was much better in AA and about the same in AAA. Defensively no comparison. |
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Post by sagevic on Oct 7, 2011 12:47:55 GMT -5
Yonder and Sappelt are both good Minor League hitters but their styles are almost directly opposite to one another.
Yonder is a patient hitter with great understanding of the strike-zone. He has good bat-speed and plus power. He makes the pitcher work and makes a lot of contact.
Sappelt is first-pitch fastball killer with a short compact swing that has ++ batspeed but very average range toward the low-outside corner of the strike-zone. He struggles with off-speed pitches (as do all hitters) but unlike Alonzo he doesn't see enough pitches per At Bat to always get the fastball he wants.
The result is that Yonder makes less conact, but has better On Base rates. Sappelt has better speed and can leg out infield hits, and puts the ball in play more. His OBP will never be as good as Yonder's but his excellent contact rate and footspeed will make him a very dangerous offensive player. Sappelt also has surprising pop for a player of his size.
They both have downsides to their hitting styles. Most selective hitters like Alonso strike out a lot. Also his current speed will keep him from getting many infield singles. Sappelt doesn't tend to work the count enough and will likely get himself out too much of the time chasing bad pitches (and hitting them).
I like both of them, but the reality is I don't think Sappelt really is a Left-Fielder. He just doesn't have the power. That doesn't mean that we had that last year. I just mean ideally Sappelt is a centerfielder, and right now he's probably third on the depth chart there.
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Post by flash on Nov 11, 2011 23:25:04 GMT -5
Don't understand the blank on Phipps. Definitely the best defensive outfielder in the Reds system right now. Has 79 assist in 6 minor league seasons and 24 DP's.
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