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Post by The Duke on Jun 6, 2008 5:14:51 GMT -5
How is Todd Frazier who put up a .377 avg with a .502 OBP with 22 HR and 65 RBI for Rutgers a sandwich pick (I think we got him around 36 overall) and Yonder Alonso is #7 overall with .370 avg, .576 OBP, 21 HR, and 66 rbi for Miami? Was last years draft class that much stronger than this years?
Did we just get that much of a steal in Frazier, was Alonso taken too early, does Alonso have something in his swing that projects better? I'm just confused about it.
That said, i'm pretty happy to have both, especially if Frazier's power developes and can be the RH counterbalance to all the lefties in Bruce, Votto, and Alonso.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 6, 2008 10:43:57 GMT -5
Well, I don't have anything to offer that you don't already know, but I'd say it comes down to two factors.
1) Univ. Miami > Rutgers. So, Yonder played against arguably tougher competition and in a brighter spotlight.
2) Scouts look at more than just stats. They examine tools and try to project future performance. Frazier does have a slightly unorthodox swing, so I'm not surprised that he fell a bit.
Still, the draft is an inexact science, so it doesn't matter when you get drafted, just how you do once you get paid to play the game.
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Post by redvol on Jun 6, 2008 13:11:30 GMT -5
I agree with the level of competition factor Lark mentions. College Baseball is very competitive in the south - especially in the ACC and SEC.
I think there is also the Cape Cod league factor. Alonso was rated 2nd best hitting prospect to play in this wood bat league last summer (behind the Gillespie kid from Witchita State).
I think Cape league experience is a good factor to consider. In fact, the RHP Crow from Missouri was the MVP of the league last year. That said, Matt Murton was the top rated hitter one year so it isn't the only factor.
One thing I worry about with Alonso is his experience against LHP. Even though he was rated 2nd best in the Cape, it looks like they platooned him with a rh hitter.
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Post by kosarb on Jun 6, 2008 13:14:59 GMT -5
Advantage Frazier on winning the little league world championship...
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Post by The Duke on Jun 6, 2008 13:21:00 GMT -5
All I know is that i'm happy to have both. 2012
3. Bruce
4. Alonso
5. Frazier
6. Votto
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Post by kosarb on Jun 6, 2008 13:35:22 GMT -5
By then Warring will be up too.
1. Stubbs CF
2. Bruce RF
3. Frazier SS
4. Alonzo 1b
5. Philips 2b
6. Votto LF
7. Waring 3b
8. Mesacoro c
Although Frazier will proably switch positions, just the thought of this lineup makes me feel funny like when I climb the rope in gym class....
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Post by The Duke on Jun 6, 2008 13:38:22 GMT -5
Waring is struggling hard in Low A and his avg is now below .260 and he has I think 2 HR's in the past 20 games.
Frazier is already off SS, he has been playing a split between 1B, 3B, and LF in high A, albeit he is a little banged up right now so he has been DH'ing.
Valaika has also been improving drastically at SS and it looks like he may stick there now.
1. Stubbs, CF
2. Phillips, 2B
3. Bruce, RF
4. Alonso, 1B
5. Frazier, 3B
6. Votto, LF
7. Valaika, SS
8. Mesoraco, C
That has a potential to be a murderers row of hitters.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 6, 2008 13:41:40 GMT -5
I don't think Waring is going to make it. His K/BB ratio is horrendous and he is still playing against competition that is light years away from the majors. I think the Cape Cod league is a good point. That's where the prospects can demonstrate their ability to hit with wood bats. As for Matt Murton, he's a very good hitter, so I can understand why he was rated highly.  |
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Post by The Duke on Jun 6, 2008 13:45:05 GMT -5
The other thing that is abosultely sick is that if Juan Duran developes as expected they can trade Votto after 2012 for something good and put Duran in left. Duran has 80 power potential and supposedly has a chance to even stick in CF if he kept his weight down to about 215 he runs that well, but most scouts think he is destined for LF because his arm isn't all that great, and he will likley get too big for CF.
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Post by kosarb on Jun 6, 2008 13:49:03 GMT -5
In 202 AB's Waring has 11 HR's. I think when they promoted Frazier, Waring had less protection and has slumped a bit. He is hitting between Cozart and Mesoraco. I wouldn't cou nt him out just yet Lark.
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Post by awnawboi21 on Jun 6, 2008 14:31:59 GMT -5
I really hope Valaika can stick at SS. I'm a big fan.
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Post by redvol on Jun 6, 2008 19:39:07 GMT -5
I don't think Waring is going to make it. His K/BB ratio is horrendous and he is still playing against competition that is light years away from the majors. I think the Cape Cod league is a good point. That's where the prospects can demonstrate their ability to hit with wood bats. As for Matt Murton, he's a very good hitter, so I can understand why he was rated highly. True Lark. I only meant to say that being the top rated hitter in the Cape Cod league doesn't necessarily guarantee stardom. |
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Post by mrpotamus on Jun 6, 2008 20:38:31 GMT -5
I think Valaika can be every bit as good as Kepp at SS. Plus, with the way our pitching is coming together, we may not need defense.  |
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