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Post by Curbinmann on Jun 16, 2023 23:32:33 GMT -5
we may have better players at the infield positions. Plus we have elite speed, but not India. young and inexpensive. you want to get something, you give up something. ...and I never proposed it. I just suggested how we could obtain pitching. but the answer man says we lose without India. Maybe 25 other guys would have an opinion on that. Lol. I can’t signin because proboards has said my password is wrong so I haven’t signed in in 2 years or so, and to be honest the reds haven’t given me much reason. 2 years is a long time and things change. I always remember you being a crotchety old bastard, but I never thought you were dumb. India is the heart of the reds, and ok you never proposed trading India, but you want to obtain pitching? Elly would get some, Strand would get some, Steer, Senzel, etc etc. Many players would bring back pitching. India would be one of the last guys I’d trade. This is “the answer man” talking to the “pineapple grump”. In all seriousness though if the owners open the purse strings you could add a starter for basically nothing. Just gotta take on the payroll, many pitchers can be had by just taking the contract at the deadline. So if the Reds are still playing well, and have a good shot at the division add payroll and bring in a good veteran in exchange for almost no one. And no Crash we are not getting Ohtani. Not this year or ever. I went to the store tonight and on a whim bought 1 powerball ticket, and I have a better chance of winning that Ohtani playing for the reds either this year or next.
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Post by jbuck on Jun 17, 2023 8:53:24 GMT -5
lol the subject matter wasn't about me or who you think I am, jackass welcome back.
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Post by jeremiah on Jun 17, 2023 19:12:58 GMT -5
Don't see the Reds winning this much without Diaz or someone as good as him.
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Post by Curbinmann on Jun 17, 2023 19:41:34 GMT -5
lol the subject matter wasn't about me or who you think I am, jackass welcome back. Why you old crotchety goat, I hope you enjoyed another Reds win led by the guy you want to trade away. Take a bath hippie, sell some pineapples, and keep enjoying India as a Red.
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 17, 2023 20:32:06 GMT -5
we may have better players at the infield positions. Plus we have elite speed, but not India. young and inexpensive. you want to get something, you give up something. ...and I never proposed it. I just suggested how we could obtain pitching. but the answer man says we lose without India. Maybe 25 other guys would have an opinion on that. India is kind of the heart of this team. All the players seem to look to him, especially the young guys for advice/help. I think trading India would be a massive mistake before some of these other kids can take the step and get a couple years in the bigs. Not sure why some folks are so down on India. He leads the team in runs scored, stolen bases, he is right there near the team lead in BA and RBI's. He is also pretty young. Why would you trade someone like that, the spark plug of your team that is the leader? I don't disagree you don't get something for nothing, but India seems like a net loss as a team whole than a pitcher would be a net gain, of course unless you are getting Ohtani. I liked India when we drafted him, I like India now. I don't think he's a second baseman, but I think he could slid back over to third and be a better fit. The only other concern I have on India is his durability. So, there's a decent amount to consider in whether we want to deal him. Dealing him away wouldn't be my first choice.
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Post by jbuck on Jun 18, 2023 11:12:53 GMT -5
we have a ton of infielders.
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Post by jbuck on Jun 18, 2023 11:16:03 GMT -5
take a bath hippie. good one! see? you can be enjoyable
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Post by Dustrated on Jun 19, 2023 8:50:36 GMT -5
Ooo our first real argument in years. This board is waking back up.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 19, 2023 8:52:38 GMT -5
India is kind of the heart of this team. All the players seem to look to him, especially the young guys for advice/help. I think trading India would be a massive mistake before some of these other kids can take the step and get a couple years in the bigs. Not sure why some folks are so down on India. He leads the team in runs scored, stolen bases, he is right there near the team lead in BA and RBI's. He is also pretty young. Why would you trade someone like that, the spark plug of your team that is the leader? I don't disagree you don't get something for nothing, but India seems like a net loss as a team whole than a pitcher would be a net gain, of course unless you are getting Ohtani. I liked India when we drafted him, I like India now. I don't think he's a second baseman, but I think he could slid back over to third and be a better fit. The only other concern I have on India is his durability. So, there's a decent amount to consider in whether we want to deal him. Dealing him away wouldn't be my first choice. What about this? C Stephenson 1B India (This gives India another corner position to play, and may keep him from getting hurt so much - leader of the team like Votto was) 2B McLain 3B Senzel (Senzel won a gold glove in the minors at 3B and that double play he started yesterday to end the game was great, could keep him healthier) SS De La Cruz LF Steer (Has been asking to play more outfield, but is not good enough for CF, so this seems like the logical fit given he doesn't have a strong arm for RF) CF Friedl (good leadoff hitter and decent CF) RF Marte (there is just no room for him, so you have to move him and he has a very strong arm, so of the positions left this seems like an idea fit) DH Encarnacion-Strand (limits his defensive inabilities)
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 19, 2023 9:51:55 GMT -5
I liked India when we drafted him, I like India now. I don't think he's a second baseman, but I think he could slid back over to third and be a better fit. The only other concern I have on India is his durability. So, there's a decent amount to consider in whether we want to deal him. Dealing him away wouldn't be my first choice. What about this? C Stephenson 1B India (This gives India another corner position to play, and may keep him from getting hurt so much - leader of the team like Votto was) 2B McLain 3B Senzel (Senzel won a gold glove in the minors at 3B and that double play he started yesterday to end the game was great, could keep him healthier) SS De La Cruz LF Steer (Has been asking to play more outfield, but is not good enough for CF, so this seems like the logical fit given he doesn't have a strong arm for RF) CF Friedl (good leadoff hitter and decent CF) RF Marte (there is just no room for him, so you have to move him and he has a very strong arm, so of the positions left this seems like an idea fit) DH Encarnacion-Strand (limits his defensive inabilities) Not bad, but unfortunately I don't think Senzel has a role on the team going forward. I just don't see any reason to think he's going to be an impact hitter and if he's not an impact hitter he's not a viable starter. Could he be a utility man? Maybe. Could he be a bench player? Sure, but there's no real value in that. Based on their current usage patterns, my gut feeling is that the Reds prefer Elly at third and McLain at short. Hopefully they are still evaluating.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 19, 2023 10:33:20 GMT -5
I would be curious to see how Senzel's plate appearances are when he plays 3B versus the rest of the field. He looks so comfortable at 3B, and even won a minor league gold glove at 3B. I would agree that he is a touch and go guy, because you never know when he is going to get hurt. However, if you can manage this lineup and get everyone in the field that you want on a regular basis, is giving Senzel one last shot worth it considering his potential? Maybe the rest of the team around him helps him elevate his game too.
If not, you trade or cut him loose.
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Post by tnredsfan on Jun 19, 2023 12:46:32 GMT -5
I agree with Lark here - even if Senzel could stay healthy, I just don't think the light's gonna come on for him at age 27. He's had over 1100 MLB at-bats and has a career .664 OPS. I do think his ability to play several positions gives him a little value as a bench bat, but he's not part of the longer term plan here, imho.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 19, 2023 13:25:51 GMT -5
I agree with Lark here - even if Senzel could stay healthy, I just don't think the light's gonna come on for him at age 27. He's had over 1100 MLB at-bats and has a career .664 OPS. I do think his ability to play several positions gives him a little value as a bench bat, but he's not part of the longer term plan here, imho. I can see that. I just see his potential, and his overall athletic ability and think if put in his most comfortable position surrounding by a bunch of young hungry players that he can revive his career.
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Post by jbuck on Jun 20, 2023 11:31:27 GMT -5
senzel needs to be a star on another team. that said he'll probably come off the bench and jack a jack to win a playoff game
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Post by Lark11 on Jun 20, 2023 11:40:55 GMT -5
I would be curious to see how Senzel's plate appearances are when he plays 3B versus the rest of the field. He looks so comfortable at 3B, and even won a minor league gold glove at 3B. I would agree that he is a touch and go guy, because you never know when he is going to get hurt. However, if you can manage this lineup and get everyone in the field that you want on a regular basis, is giving Senzel one last shot worth it considering his potential? Maybe the rest of the team around him helps him elevate his game too. If not, you trade or cut him loose. I do think it was a mistake to move him off the dirt. I do think a position change can impact offensive production. But, does it drag down an offensive performance level to the extent needed to explain Senzel's struggles? That feels like an extreme longshot to me.
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