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Post by jbuck on Mar 27, 2021 9:37:35 GMT -5
If this is not the worst team in BB, tell me who will be worse. Good lord this team looks bad on paper. this is bad.
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Post by Lark11 on Mar 27, 2021 10:35:32 GMT -5
If this is not the worst team in BB, tell me who will be worse. Good lord this team looks bad on paper. this is bad. Have you met the Pirates??? |
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Post by searay on Mar 27, 2021 17:13:00 GMT -5
It does look to be another really bad season in Cincinnati. It's time for a total housecleaning from the front office on down. I want everyone from Krall to Buddy Bell to David gone. Keep Derek Johnson and the Driveline folks but that's it. The nepotism and the favoritism for guys with ties to the city has to change. It's time to hire the best baseball people regardless of their local connections
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Post by jbuck on Mar 27, 2021 18:15:45 GMT -5
Do NOT invest time in this charade. They haven't been trying for years. The only thing worse than the pitching staff is the offense. I doubt you could even find a fantasy nugget on the reds.
disgraceful', is what I call it
other than the 1990 fluke it's been years......that's unacceptable. nobody can add that far
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Post by searay on Mar 28, 2021 13:53:53 GMT -5
Does anyone here think they'll even flirt with .500, let alone a playoff birth? I'm thinking they'll struggle to win 70. Right now I'd put my guess at 67 wins but it would not surprise me if they lose 100
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Post by scottscudder on Mar 28, 2021 17:15:45 GMT -5
I see the 2021 Reds as a low floor/high ceiling team. Tons of ifs. I would not be surprised if they struggle to win 70 or if they actually get close to winning 90.
At the beginning of the season, I always have some level of optimism. I'm really hoping the veterans rebound offensively and that Senzel, Stephenson, and India can give the team a boost. But it is hard to ignore that this is a roster composed of many 3B and 1B players with lots of swing and miss potential. It can all work out, but the front office didn't do the team any favors with its terrible approach to lineup construction.
The lineup issues will be further exacerbated, I feel, with the absence of the DH this year. The DH had the potential to help the Reds quite a bit, both in terms of hiding poor defensive players and getting another bat into the lineup.
On the pitching side, there are also many ifs. Everyone is saying the Reds rotation is deep, but I worry about Mahle, Lorenzen, and Miley especially. They could also exceed expectations though too.
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Post by searay on Mar 28, 2021 17:56:18 GMT -5
Not surprised if they win close to 90? I'd be drop dead shocked if they won close to 90. They were barely over .500 last year and that was with Bauer and Iggy
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Post by scottscudder on Mar 28, 2021 19:11:06 GMT -5
Not surprised if they win close to 90? I'd be drop dead shocked if they won close to 90. They were barely over .500 last year and that was with Bauer and Iggy I think most projections for the Reds are around 78-79 wins, so yeah, I think "close to 90" is a potential ceiling. It's not further away from the projections than your 67 win prediction is. |
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Post by kycatscinnreds on Mar 28, 2021 21:17:41 GMT -5
Anyone see the rotation? Wow!
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Post by searay on Mar 28, 2021 21:42:20 GMT -5
Not surprised if they win close to 90? I'd be drop dead shocked if they won close to 90. They were barely over .500 last year and that was with Bauer and Iggy I think most projections for the Reds are around 78-79 wins, so yeah, I think "close to 90" is a potential ceiling. It's not further away from the projections than your 67 win prediction is. Fair enough. We'll know in 6 months who was closer. I hope you're right and I'm wrong but we'll revisit this and see whose tea leaves were more accurate |
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Post by scottscudder on Mar 28, 2021 22:34:59 GMT -5
I think most projections for the Reds are around 78-79 wins, so yeah, I think "close to 90" is a potential ceiling. It's not further away from the projections than your 67 win prediction is. Fair enough. We'll know in 6 months who was closer. I hope you're right and I'm wrong but we'll revisit this and see whose tea leaves were more accurate Sounds good. For the record though, I am not predicting close to 90 wins. I'm just saying there are so many ifs that this team could finish anywhere between a very wide range of win totals. At nearly every position, there are question marks and storylines beyond anything I can remember with a Reds team. Whether the Reds succeed or fail, it is these individual storylines that will make the season interesting for me. If I'm going to make a prediction, I'll say 83 wins. While the Reds lost significant pitching, I think they are going to gain more in offense. It's hard not to see Moose, Suarez, and Castellanos not rebounding significantly, especially Suarez and Castellanos. And I have to hope that Senzel improves over last year and that India is an offensive upgrade over Galvis/Garcia. Injuries worry me though with Senzel and some of these veterans. While there is not a ton of talk about Shogo, I would really like to see him get consistent ABs somehow. He was really on the upswing at the end of the 2020 regular season. The combo of Shogo getting on base consistently and Suarez re-capturing his 2019 hitting intrigues me. They probably can't achieve the 2013 magic of Choo & Votto, but if those two achieve their max potential it would lift the whole offense, imo. The rotation scares me the most. If either Castillo or Gray are out for any extended period with injury, it could be serious trouble. In Derek Johnson we trust. I'm not yet as down on David Bell as many are. He seems to be all about the analytics, and I think a pandemic plus a small sample size is potentially analytical kryptonite. That's what we had with the 2020 season. I think it will be interesting to see how his decision making plays out over a full 162 game slate. They went 75-87 under his leadership in 2019, but I think the 2021 squad is a better team than what he had then. |
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Post by flash on Mar 29, 2021 8:35:08 GMT -5
This team is bad, very bad. Probably worse than the Pirates. Spring Training was a complete circus. Joey Votto now needs more time to get ready for the season. I know he had the Covid scare, but I've always heard that players come to Spring training prepared and don't really need all that much time to get ready.
I am not all that high on Johnson either. I have never seen a pitching staff managed like this one. Mahle, the number two starter has made just two starts and has only pitched 5 innings. The number of sore arms is staggering Antonne, Lorenzen, Gray. Miley, Hoffman and Deleon are horrible. The Reds have beenusing six and seven pitching per game and camp is almost over.
Some posters have said that Winkler will be starting. Theyt may be right, but he is a joke. Both Payton and Naquin had better springs. I know that Seatle is looking for an outfielder/ Designated hitter, and that they may have anadditional starting pitcher availible. I am hoping that Winker is on the plane to Seattle after today's game. Moustakas has had a horrible spring while Shrock has really done well, but some believe that Moustaksa should get the nod at third because of the pay.
If the Reds are going to do anything they need to fire Williams. There is no way I would want him to hire the next manager. I remember when Jockety talked the big guy into firing Kivinksky. The ball club has been going downhill ever since.
I do hope Senzel does well in center. I have been hard on him in the past, but maybe this nis the year he will prove me wrong. I am also glad India is getting a chance. I also hope Stephenson does well, but he is going to have real problems throwing out base-stealers seeing that the pitcher's can't hold anybody on. Joey Votto won't help any in this regard since he never even looks at the baserunner on a pick-off attempt.
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Post by Lark11 on Mar 29, 2021 9:38:26 GMT -5
Seattle has Taylor Trammell (remember him, Reds fans?), Kyle Lewis, and Mitch Haniger slotted into their starting outfield. And, top prospect Jared Kelenic is knocking on the door with other top prospect Julio Rodriguez right on his heels.
Long story short: the Mariners don't need outfielders.
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Post by searay on Mar 29, 2021 9:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by flash on Mar 29, 2021 10:05:41 GMT -5
Seattle has Taylor Trammell (remember him, Reds fans?), Kyle Lewis, and Mitch Haniger slotted into their starting outfield. And, top prospect Jared Kelenic is knocking on the door with other top prospect Julio Rodriguez right on his heels. Long story short: the Mariners don't need outfielders. Lewis may be going on the disabled list to open the season. Trasmell has never played in the majors nor have Kelenic and Rodriguez. Their manager Servais has already said the team is not ruling out external options. Go to the Seattle website and read it yourself. |
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