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Post by searay on Aug 22, 2020 8:39:47 GMT -5
Another example of our crooked media and it very well may be costing lives
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Post by Lark11 on Aug 22, 2020 8:56:53 GMT -5
Where are the citations to support those "facts"? I see links to Washington Post articles attacking the validity of hydroxychloroquine, but basically nothing to support his claims. I see one link to a website I've never heard of and I won't even click on because I have no idea if it's even safe. Not at all convincing. And, given the source....: mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/
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Post by searay on Aug 22, 2020 10:27:19 GMT -5
Where are the citations to support those "facts"? I see links to Washington Post articles attacking the validity of hydroxychloroquine, but basically nothing to support his claims. I see one link to a website I've never heard of and I won't even click on because I have no idea if it's even safe. Not at all convincing. And, given the source....: mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/No question that this is a right wing site. This is the reason we need right wing sites. To tell us what the MSM won't. I bet you didn't know that there were 50 some studies that showed a positive effect of HCQ on C19. This is why I'm bringing it to the attention of this Board. Want to see all the studies? You need another source? Here you go. This one lists all 50 some positive studies: c19study.com/
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Post by Lark11 on Aug 22, 2020 14:07:19 GMT -5
Sigh.
Why would the "main stream media" have an interest in withholding the truth about a treatment for Covid-19?
Do you not find it deeply troubling that you can't define the term "main stream media"? Can I get a list of who's included and who isn't? Is CNN? Is the LA Times? Is the Wall Street Journal? Is the Financial Times? Politico? The Hill? The Federalist? Is Fox News? Is OAN?
There's no definition because it's just a nebulous term that is applied retroactively to any fact, perspective, or opinion that conservatives simply do not like. It's just a method of denying that which does not confirm the existing biases of conservatives. Instead of updating their existing views/biases to accommodate the new information/facts, conservatives instead choose to seek out alternative "facts" that purport to support/confirm their existing views/biases.
I don't see how the mere mention of the "main stream media" doesn't immediately discredit the speaker. If you can't define it in advance, then how can it be a valid, logically sound concept?
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Post by searay on Aug 23, 2020 10:16:01 GMT -5
Sigh. Why would the "main stream media" have an interest in withholding the truth about a treatment for Covid-19? Do you not find it deeply troubling that you can't define the term "main stream media"? Can I get a list of who's included and who isn't? Is CNN? Is the LA Times? Is the Wall Street Journal? Is the Financial Times? Politico? The Hill? The Federalist? Is Fox News? Is OAN? There's no definition because it's just a nebulous term that is applied retroactively to any fact, perspective, or opinion that conservatives simply do not like. It's just a method of denying that which does not confirm the existing biases of conservatives. Instead of updating their existing views/biases to accommodate the new information/facts, conservatives instead choose to seek out alternative "facts" that purport to support/confirm their existing views/biases. I don't see how the mere mention of the "main stream media" doesn't immediately discredit the speaker. If you can't define it in advance, then how can it be a valid, logically sound concept? Be fair Lark, you asked for a source and I gave it to you. At least acknowledge that. Why did I have to get that info from a right wing source? I didn't know that 50 studies showed positive results and I doubt you did either. Why does the MSM report every every negative story on this drug when most of the research has shown positive results? I see three reasons 1)Trump factor. The President has touted it. They want to make him look bad every chance they get 2) Big Pharma. This pill comes in genetic form at 60 cents each. Big Pharma won’t make money off of this 3) If there proves to be cheap, effective treatments for this disease, it’ll lessen the number of people who’ll get the vaccine. Very powerful people like Fauci and Bill Gates are pushing hard for a vaccine. They want credit and possibly $$ for saving humanity from C19 Now does it work? I can’t say definitely yes or no but I have my opinions. I think it is an effective treatment early in the disease process in what’s called phase 1. It also needs to be taken as a cocktail, combined with Zinc and a Z pack antibiotic. Once you go into phase 2, you’re in trouble with things like lung congestion, blood clots and heart problems. HCQ will do little to help you there Thus studies that use HCQ on its own, without the cocktail, will show negative results. As will studies that use it on gravely ill patients in the last stages
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Post by armo21 on Aug 23, 2020 18:46:52 GMT -5
Maybe the media is reporting what Experts say: www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-oror World Health Organization: www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-hydroxychloroquine-and-covid-19?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqKfDxrWy6wIVVODICh0WEwapEAAYASAAEgKELvD_BwE#or the Center for Disease Control: www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cdc-removes-guidance-hydroxychloroquine-treatment/2967852001/or should we go with the MY Pillow Guy? www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/08/18/mypillow-ceo-lindell-says-white-house-asked-him-to-look-for-cures-for-covid-19/#12c035003108My point is if any credible source (FDA, CDC, WHO) had data that showed the Hydroxychloroquine treatment you mentioned with Zinc and a Z pack early in cases, it would be widely reported. How is Fauci going to benefit from a drug company coming up with a vaccine? Hell 40% of Americans will not even try to get the vaccine because of misinformation about vaccines in our country. Searay, the problem is not the media on this issue IMHO. With that being said, I have checked out Dr. Chris Mathewson, who has been labeled a "conspiracy theorist" by the members of the media. For me he has some credibility. Here is what is being asked of Fauci by Dr.s who believe in the treatment you describe. www.peakprosperity.com/forum-topic/open-letter-to-dr-anthony-fauci-regarding-the-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-for-tre/So I am not going to argue that Hydroxychloroquine does not have a place in the treatment of Covid, personally I think the jury is still out. I think the media is being responsible in reporting what credible sources who are charged with fighting the pandemic are saying. If the CDC, FDA and WHO are saying it is not viable treatment, that is what should be reported IMO. The My Pillow Guy and others have not convinced these organizations of the validity of their treatments. Your points about the Trump factor do weigh in on how the media reports this. IMO it is because Trump is irresponsible in his leadership and the media sees that he is not smarter than the doctors who do this for a living. Maybe if he had not disbanded the Pandemic Task Force, taken the disease seriously in January and February, developed a national strategy to combat the disease; all things a good leader should have done rather than approach this with hope and a gut feelings. If he does any of these things then we are in better shape to combat the pandemic. It is ludicrous to think Trump was promoting a drug when science was not on his side. Points 2 and 3 that you are trying to make are a little to "deep state" for my moderate beliefs.
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Post by searay on Aug 24, 2020 8:07:37 GMT -5
The media mentions research that shows negative results from this drug but they don't report on the positive studies. Why is that? As for Fauci, I'd like to present him with these 50 some studies and see what he says. But our media won't ask these sorts of questions. Why is that?
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Post by searay on Aug 24, 2020 8:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by yorak on Aug 24, 2020 11:09:23 GMT -5
This the miracle elixir the 'my pillow' guy is pushing?
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Post by searay on Aug 24, 2020 14:03:28 GMT -5
Lowest C19 hospitalizations since March 21
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Post by armo21 on Aug 24, 2020 20:35:25 GMT -5
This the miracle elixir the 'my pillow' guy is pushing? No...I was just using him as an example of negligence. He is pushing some supplement that he sits on the board of the company. Total B.S. Searay's point is valid that the media is only reporting the studies that show negative effects and the treatment is showing some positive results as an early treatment, its just that Trump ignored all the science himself, he comes off like the "my pillow guy"
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Post by bobroberts on Aug 24, 2020 22:43:27 GMT -5
The cause of the drop isn't because of Hydroxchloroquine. The vast majority of people don't/can't even take it, so the drop in rates is not because of of this miricle drug. The most likely cause is though maditory mask wearing and social distenting...
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Post by searay on Aug 25, 2020 7:18:04 GMT -5
Lowest C19 hospitalizations since March 21 The cause of the drop isn't because of Hydroxchloroquine. The vast majority of people don't/can't even take it, so the drop in rates is not because of of this miricle drug. The most likely cause is though maditory mask wearing and social distenting... Oh I agree the drop is not due to HCQ. I just put it in this thread rather than starting a new one. The purpose was to report good news, something the MSM rarely does
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