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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 16:14:37 GMT -5
I remember watching the 1972 World Series but I followed it religiously in 1973. I think that was Al Michaels last yr with the team I am not sure if it is still on there but I watched a couple of the games from the 72 series on youtube a few months ago. I know things come and go on there. There is next to no exsisting footage out there from the early 70s. Except a few postseason games. I did buy a dvd of a regular season game from 72. Reds-Cubs. Gary Nolan pitched. Dourcher was managing the Cubs.
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Post by scottscudder on May 12, 2018 14:38:54 GMT -5
I tend to feel that some rules should be put in place to limit (not eliminate) the degree to which teams can implement shifts. I think some of the extreme shifts that are implemented today take away from the aesthetic of the game.
Thoughts? Does anyone agree?
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Post by searay on May 12, 2018 14:56:27 GMT -5
I tend to feel that some rules should be put in place to limit (not eliminate) the degree to which teams can implement shifts. I think some of the extreme shifts that are implemented today take away from the aesthetic of the game. Thoughts? Does anyone agree? I don't think this should be dealt with by changing the rules. I think it's up to the offense (hitter) to adjust
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Post by scottscudder on May 12, 2018 23:00:54 GMT -5
I tend to feel that some rules should be put in place to limit (not eliminate) the degree to which teams can implement shifts. I think some of the extreme shifts that are implemented today take away from the aesthetic of the game. Thoughts? Does anyone agree? I don't think this should be dealt with by changing the rules. I think it's up to the offense (hitter) to adjust Well, as the title of this thread indicates, hitters aren't adjusting. They either can't adjust or they have made the decision not to. Meanwhile, all of the defensive shifting continues, and in my opinion, the extreme shifts appear goofy and vary too much from the look and feel of the traditional game. That's just my opinion, obviously, and many may like watching defensive shifts.
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Post by searay on May 13, 2018 12:32:52 GMT -5
I don't think this should be dealt with by changing the rules. I think it's up to the offense (hitter) to adjust Well, as the title of this thread indicates, hitters aren't adjusting. They either can't adjust or they have made the decision not to. Meanwhile, all of the defensive shifting continues, and in my opinion, the extreme shifts appear goofy and vary too much from the look and feel of the traditional game. That's just my opinion, obviously, and many may like watching defensive shifts. The hitters sure aren't adjusting. As a Reds fan I loved seeing Cody Bellinger, arguably the biggest stud in the Dodgers' lineup today, putting down a horrible bunt on a 3-0 count yesterday. My point is that the players on the field should deal with this and not the rulebook
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Post by scottscudder on May 13, 2018 19:19:29 GMT -5
Well, as the title of this thread indicates, hitters aren't adjusting. They either can't adjust or they have made the decision not to. Meanwhile, all of the defensive shifting continues, and in my opinion, the extreme shifts appear goofy and vary too much from the look and feel of the traditional game. That's just my opinion, obviously, and many may like watching defensive shifts. The hitters sure aren't adjusting. As a Reds fan I loved seeing Cody Bellinger, arguably the biggest stud in the Dodgers' lineup today, putting down a horrible bunt on a 3-0 count yesterday. My point is that the players on the field should deal with this and not the rulebook Yes, you made that point already. Thanks. But reading between the lines in your response, it seems clear that you don't see extreme defensive shifts as a disruption to the look and feel of the game. That's what I was asking about. Why not let players throw their gloves at balls they cannot reach and ask the hitter to adjust to this? Why not let hitters use bats the width of tennis rackets and ask the pitcher to adjust to this? Why not allow teams to station people in the outfield stands to steal signs and ask teams to adjust to this? Yes, as crazy as some of these ideas sound, teams and players could "adjust" to all of these things (which is the point that you make). But someone, at some point, instituted rules outlawing these activities to ensure that the game is played as intended. I'm just wondering if extreme defensive shifts are outlandish enough to rise to this level. It seems clear that you do not think this is the case. I'm guessing that most agree with you, but I just wanted to throw out the idea to see what others thought.
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Post by flash on May 14, 2018 6:38:34 GMT -5
It is legal for a fielder to throw their glove at a batted ball. If the ball is deflected onto the field of play the batter is rewarded with a ground - rule triple. Never seen it done. It is also hard to bunt the inside pitch which is where the pitcher is throwing. I would like to see if the rules could help the pith gets. The Dodgers could move the fencers back to the stands . The Astro did that a the old Astrodome. The haters eye GAP could be removed to create a gap in center and the bullpens could be put under the stands. Maybe the mound could be raised to 15 inches like it was before 1969. I would definitely consider that to possibly deter arm injuries. They could also go to a 7 pitch at bat. If the batter can’t get it done by 7 pitches why let him continue. I would like to see the OBP for pitch 8 and up. I bet it is over .500. Put pitch seven in the pitcher’s hands.
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Post by searay on May 14, 2018 8:45:49 GMT -5
The hitters sure aren't adjusting. As a Reds fan I loved seeing Cody Bellinger, arguably the biggest stud in the Dodgers' lineup today, putting down a horrible bunt on a 3-0 count yesterday. My point is that the players on the field should deal with this and not the rulebook Yes, you made that point already. Thanks. But reading between the lines in your response, it seems clear that you don't see extreme defensive shifts as a disruption to the look and feel of the game. That's what I was asking about. Why not let players throw their gloves at balls they cannot reach and ask the hitter to adjust to this? Why not let hitters use bats the width of tennis rackets and ask the pitcher to adjust to this? Why not allow teams to station people in the outfield stands to steal signs and ask teams to adjust to this? Yes, as crazy as some of these ideas sound, teams and players could "adjust" to all of these things (which is the point that you make). But someone, at some point, instituted rules outlawing these activities to ensure that the game is played as intended. I'm just wondering if extreme defensive shifts are outlandish enough to rise to this level. It seems clear that you do not think this is the case. I'm guessing that most agree with you, but I just wanted to throw out the idea to see what others thought. Just to be clear, I see your point that extreme defensive shifts is disruptive to the look of the game. I get it. I just think it's not something that requires a rule change. As for your other points, I wasn't aware of rules that limit the size of bats. Whatever. Those are tangent issues and have different pros and cons to what we're discussing here
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