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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Nov 7, 2016 17:18:50 GMT -5
We are a pair of Cuban pitchers who were teammates together for the Reds towards the end of our careers.
We were both once all star pitchers and played for both incarnations of the Washington Senators.
Who are we?
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Nov 9, 2016 11:01:53 GMT -5
I guess it's time for a hint or two.
The better known pitcher of the pair was described as having the best curve ball in the game by Ted Williams. He was the AL's strike out king three years running winning twenty plus in two of those years.
The lesser known pitcher lost 20 games one those years his better-known teammate won 20 during a stretch of four years in which he lost 18 or more games.
Both of them made no contribution of note to Davey Bristol's team.
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Post by schellis on Nov 9, 2016 11:56:50 GMT -5
Mike cuellar. He wasn't a red long but had very good career
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Nov 9, 2016 17:25:03 GMT -5
Mike Cuellar who pitched in two games for the Reds in 1959 was a fine purveyor of breaking pitchers, particularly the screw ball.
He was part of the stellar Orioles rotations (including winning Game #4 against the Reds in the 1970 WS) of the early seventies, but he never played for either version of the Senators.
Good guess though.
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Post by schellis on Nov 9, 2016 18:42:05 GMT -5
Mike Cuellar who pitched in two games for the Reds in 1959 was a fine purveyor of breaking pitchers, particularly the screw ball. He was part of the stellar Orioles rotations (including winning Game #4 against the Reds in the 1970 WS) of the early seventies, but he never played for either version of the Senators. Good guess though. What makes it a better guess is that he had a Cuban teammate on that reds team that also had a 20 loss season |
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Nov 10, 2016 13:12:08 GMT -5
Ah yes, Orlando Pena did lose 20 for the A's and was on the 1959 club with Cuellar.
For an additional hint - or perhaps a point of clarification:
The original Senators are now the Minnesota Twins. The better known pitcher is most well known for his work with the Twins. Interstingly enough, in his one WS appearance, all the pitchers to appear in that game were either ex-Reds or future Reds.
The year before, the lesser known pitcher got to the World Series with the Yankees but never put in an appearance.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Nov 15, 2016 20:09:41 GMT -5
Cuban righthanders Camilo Pascaul and Pedro Ramos were both on the 1969 Reds, Davey Bristol's last year in charge of the squad. Both veterans attempted to beef up a bullpen that had little besides Wayne Granger and Clay Carroll going for it.
Pascual and Ramos were two of nine players to play both for the original Washington Senators as well as the 1961 expansion Washington Senators. In Pascual's case, he pitched for expansion Nats just before joining the Reds; while Ramos joined the new Nats immediately afterwards.
Pascual was one of the better pitchers of the early sixties, earning five all-star berths in six seasons between 1959 and 1964 with both the original Nats and their successors, the Minnesota Twins. He won 20 games back-to-back in 1963 and 1964. Pascual reached the World Series in 1965 for the Twins, losing to the Dodgers in game #3, Claude Osteen, and was relieved by future Red Jim Merritt, and ex-Red Johnny Klippstein.
Pedro Ramos was not a durable work horse who soaked up a lot of innings for some pretty weak Nats ball clubs. He lost at least 18 games each year between 1958 and 1961, the last year losing 20 for the Twins. After years of mediocrity in the rotation, the Indians dealt him to the Yankees before the 1964 trading deadline, where Ramos reinvented himself as a durable and effective set-up man. Ramos spend three season with the Yankees, but did not play in the 1964 WS.
Pascual and Ramos wore #33 and #34 respectively for the Reds. Ramos would pitch one more year with the expansion Nats, while Pascual lated another couple of years with the Dodgers and Indians.
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