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Post by floydgator on May 18, 2017 14:59:51 GMT -5
I'll Fecal Matter a brick if we draft Wright with Greene still available.
D1baseball has Wright going #1 to Minnesota. The rest is premium content and I'm not paying for that.
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Post by The Duke on May 19, 2017 10:40:01 GMT -5
Jonathan Mayo put out a mock last night (I trust Callis far more than Mayo) and he has us taking McKay after Greene goes #1. Mock draft: Could Twins go Greene?With the Reds picking 2 picks later, based on that board, I'd be hoping for either Prep RHP Hans Crouse or UNC SS Logan Warmouth.
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Post by The Duke on May 22, 2017 8:34:31 GMT -5
Hunter Greene still only playing SS the rest of his HS career. He did throw a bullpen session for scouts over the weekend.
Kyle Wright was excellent again on Friday. He shut down Alabama in a 31-1 rout. He threw 7.1 IP giving up only 1 R on 5 H and 1 BB with 11 K. He threw 99 pitches, 67 of which were thrown for strikes. Over the past 6 weeks, he's been the best pitcher in college baseball.
Brendan McKay's fastball was sitting 90-93 and he touched 95 on Thursday, but he also had one of his worst starts of the year against a solid Florida State offense. He avoided the L (albeit Louisville did lose) going 5 IP giving up 7 R (5 ER) on 5 hits and 4 walks to go along with 6 K. He has 11 fly outs to only 1 ground out on the day along with a wild pitch and threw 111 pitches (65 strikes) in his 5 IP.
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Post by schellis on May 22, 2017 10:38:33 GMT -5
Hunter Greene still only playing SS the rest of his HS career. He did throw a bullpen session for scouts over the weekend. Kyle Wright was excellent again on Friday. He shut down Alabama in a 31-1 rout. He threw 7.1 IP giving up only 1 R on 5 H and 1 BB with 11 K. He threw 99 pitches, 67 of which were thrown for strikes. Over the past 6 weeks, he's been the best pitcher in college baseball. Brendan McKay's fastball was sitting 90-93 and he touched 95 on Thursday, but he also had one of his worst starts of the year against a solid Florida State offense. He avoided the L (albeit Louisville did lose) going 5 IP giving up 7 R (5 ER) on 5 hits and 4 walks to go along with 6 K. He has 11 fly outs to only 1 ground out on the day along with a wild pitch and threw 111 pitches (65 strikes) in his 5 IP. Not liking McKay. Just screams meh back end arm as a pitcher. Don't like using a number 2 pick on a guy with a Mike Leake ceiling.
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Post by kinsm on May 22, 2017 11:30:28 GMT -5
Hunter Greene still only playing SS the rest of his HS career. He did throw a bullpen session for scouts over the weekend. Kyle Wright was excellent again on Friday. He shut down Alabama in a 31-1 rout. He threw 7.1 IP giving up only 1 R on 5 H and 1 BB with 11 K. He threw 99 pitches, 67 of which were thrown for strikes. Over the past 6 weeks, he's been the best pitcher in college baseball. Brendan McKay's fastball was sitting 90-93 and he touched 95 on Thursday, but he also had one of his worst starts of the year against a solid Florida State offense. He avoided the L (albeit Louisville did lose) going 5 IP giving up 7 R (5 ER) on 5 hits and 4 walks to go along with 6 K. He has 11 fly outs to only 1 ground out on the day along with a wild pitch and threw 111 pitches (65 strikes) in his 5 IP. Not liking McKay. Just screams meh back end arm as a pitcher. Don't like using a number 2 pick on a guy with a Mike Leake ceiling. LOL, Mike Leake and his career ~20 WAR laugh at you.
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Post by schellis on May 22, 2017 11:35:44 GMT -5
Not liking McKay. Just screams meh back end arm as a pitcher. Don't like using a number 2 pick on a guy with a Mike Leake ceiling. LOL, Mike Leake and his career ~20 WAR laugh at you. And the guy that they could have drafted there who was likely the best talent in the draft with his 51.7 laughs at you. But hey I'm sure most rather play it safe with a guy like Leake instead of getting someone who is a potential impact talent like Trout.
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Post by kinsm on May 22, 2017 11:39:45 GMT -5
LOL, Mike Leake and his career ~20 WAR laugh at you. And the guy that they could have drafted there who was likely the best talent in the draft with his 51.7 laughs at you. But hey I'm sure most rather play it safe with a guy like Leake instead of getting someone who is a potential impact talent like Trout. LMAO, Good chance Mike Leake finishes his career 2nd in WAR to only Joey Votto amongst Reds draftees over the past 30 years.
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Post by kinsm on May 22, 2017 11:40:43 GMT -5
This team sucks d%CK, they need certainty...no more toolsy players with a 1% chance of making it.
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Post by oldschoolstyle on May 22, 2017 11:57:30 GMT -5
Duke,
Are you surprised that the Reds aren't connected to Gore at all? I'm stunned. Left handed, we love athletic pitchers... He just seems like the type of guy we'd USUALLY be all over. Maybe since we usually do, we feel we have enough in the system already and that's why we aren't connected with him. Maybe we just don't like him as much as the top 3. I'm hoping that it's a smoke screen as I like him after Greene. I'm fine with a HS heavy class this year.
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Post by schellis on May 22, 2017 12:20:54 GMT -5
And the guy that they could have drafted there who was likely the best talent in the draft with his 51.7 laughs at you. But hey I'm sure most rather play it safe with a guy like Leake instead of getting someone who is a potential impact talent like Trout. LMAO, Good chance Mike Leake finishes his career 2nd in WAR to only Joey Votto amongst Reds draftees over the past 30 years. Thats more due to very poor drafting over that time by the Reds. Dunn, Votto, Leake, and Bruce really the high points so far. Bailey and Hamilton should be there too. I'm a Leake fan, but you don't draft him with the 2nd overall pick.
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Post by schellis on May 22, 2017 12:22:00 GMT -5
This team sucks d%CK, they need certainty...no more toolsy players with a 1% chance of making it. I agree with this, though Senzel isn't that player.
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Post by kinsm on May 22, 2017 12:50:15 GMT -5
Anyone want to guess how many rotation fixtures are drafted each year on average?
Anyone?
Just to save you the suspense, the figure is shockingly small.
~1,200 draftees, ~900 signees, ~160 ever debut in majors, ~95 pitchers/~65 hitters, # of pitchers to start a single game in 3+ seasons ~30, # of pitchers from any particular draft who will start and win say 100 games in their career ~3
If the Reds drafted a Mike Leake every year - they'd be a competitive team right now.
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Post by The Duke on May 22, 2017 12:58:53 GMT -5
Duke, Are you surprised that the Reds aren't connected to Gore at all? I'm stunned. Left handed, we love athletic pitchers... He just seems like the type of guy we'd USUALLY be all over. Maybe since we usually do, we feel we have enough in the system already and that's why we aren't connected with him. Maybe we just don't like him as much as the top 3. I'm hoping that it's a smoke screen as I like him after Greene. I'm fine with a HS heavy class this year. Not really. We haven't really pushed for prep lefties high in the draft in Buckley's tenure. Gore has some funky mechanics. Not bad, but the high leg kick and twist in his delivery are things you don't normally see in prep pitchers. It wouldn't worry me as he's a good athlete who is able to repeat his mechanics and they don't seem to put any undue strain on his core, elbow, or shoulder. I'm intrigued by Gore, and I'm sure they Reds have had scouts a plenty look at him, but I'm not shocked that we're not tied to him specifically in the rumor mill. Like I've said many a time, i'll be shocked at this point if it's not one of Greene, Wright, or McKay.
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Post by schellis on May 22, 2017 13:23:01 GMT -5
Anyone want to guess how many rotation fixtures are drafted each year on average? Anyone? Just to save you the suspense, the figure is shockingly small. ~1,200 draftees, ~900 signees, ~160 ever debut in majors, ~95 pitchers/~65 hitters, # of pitchers to start a single game in 3+ seasons ~30, # of pitchers from any particular draft who will start and win say 100 games in their career ~3 If the Reds drafted a Mike Leake every year - they'd be a competitive team right now. They'd also rarely win because a pitching staff of Leake's isn't going to complete against a team with front line pitching. Also if all you draft are low ceiling/high floor mid to back of the rotation starters you aren't going to have the bats to compete. For the Reds to compete they need to aim higher then high floor/low ceiling. THats fine when you are drafting in the middle to end of draft, but when you are picking in the top 5 you need to draft better. Looking over the top two from the past 12 years, high majority make majors and are at least average players (Leake) Yes there are plenty that go bust and are lesser then Leake, but its likley only way the REds are going to get the greater end.
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Post by kinsm on May 22, 2017 13:33:55 GMT -5
Anyone want to guess how many rotation fixtures are drafted each year on average? Anyone? Just to save you the suspense, the figure is shockingly small. ~1,200 draftees, ~900 signees, ~160 ever debut in majors, ~95 pitchers/~65 hitters, # of pitchers to start a single game in 3+ seasons ~30, # of pitchers from any particular draft who will start and win say 100 games in their career ~3 If the Reds drafted a Mike Leake every year - they'd be a competitive team right now. They'd also rarely win because a pitching staff of Leake's isn't going to complete against a team with front line pitching. Also if all you draft are low ceiling/high floor mid to back of the rotation starters you aren't going to have the bats to compete. For the Reds to compete they need to aim higher then high floor/low ceiling. THats fine when you are drafting in the middle to end of draft, but when you are picking in the top 5 you need to draft better. Looking over the top two from the past 12 years, high majority make majors and are at least average players (Leake) Yes there are plenty that go bust and are lesser then Leake, but its likley only way the REds are going to get the greater end. "Rarely win" They'd win a hell of a lot more than they are doing now. If this club had 5 #3 starters in their rotation each pitching 180 innings - they'd be winning. Not to mention, with the surplus "Leake's" they'd be able to trade to bolster the club elsewhere. You, as a fan, should be ecstatic if they draft a Mike Leake type pitcher in this draft - even if it's with the #2 pick.
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