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Post by breakerslim on Jan 12, 2017 19:51:41 GMT -5
LMAO. Trump paid russian prostitutes to piss on him. What a disgusting sleazeball.
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Post by The Duke on Jan 12, 2017 19:58:06 GMT -5
LMAO. Trump paid russian prostitutes to piss on him. What a disgusting sleazeball. Trump's a scumbag, but that story is a hoax.
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Post by schellis on Jan 13, 2017 10:54:53 GMT -5
Hardly the first president that had that sort of sexual history. Honestly I think if you dug into the private lives of most men you'd find similar conversations. He wasn't wrong either when you have that kind of money people will throw themselves at you and let you do pretty much anything. So could care less about that. Even if he wanted to the country isn't going to allow it to go back where women can be grabbed and fondled on the street like they are in third world countries.
His campaign was no worse then the one that the dems have ran where they've used illegals to vote or the ever popular if you don't vote for us your a racist or hate women. There also hasn't been any reports that the Russians did anything other then show how two faced the Clintons are.
Don't give a crap about Twitter, whatever he post there means about as much to me as any other celb post.
What I liked
Immigration reform, he wants to just follow the current laws of the land. If you are illegal you shouldn't be here. If you are illegal you likely aren't paying taxes, and heck likely getting welfare and free medical as well. Want to come here, welcome do it legally, learn the language and pay your taxes.
Keeping jobs in America. So far he's worked to do this. Giving these companies tax breaks to do this will mean more money for the rest of us in the long run by both jobs and increased wages.
Getting rid of Obamacare, that was nothing but a tax that didn't work. I think people actually had cheaper better coverage before this actually started, and it is crippling for small business
Strong military
I don't give a damn about what he's done in the past, if you have to start something with ten years ago on a bus in private he was recorded saying this it really doesn't matter.
As for the taxes thing, you are kidding yourself if you think he's the only rich person to utilize tax loopholes to pay little to nothing in taxes you need to wake up as well.
Basically when it comes down to it, I didn't want to live in a socialist country which is what I felt it was pushes to under Obama and would continue under Clinton. Its been a rough eight years under leadership that has cost me a job and delayed the life I wanted to have for near that as well.
Hopefully with Trump this country can actually accomplish something worthwhile instead of a healthcare program that didn't work at all and giving a family eight years of vacations.
World is going to crap and Obama is flying all over campaigning and now the farewell tour. While Trump who isn't even in office yet is actually doing something. Yeah I don't regret the choice.
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Post by kinsm on Jan 13, 2017 11:09:48 GMT -5
Illegals can't get welfare, you have to have a valid Social Security #
How did Obama cost you a job, was he in cahoots with some trillion $ company who outsourced your job?
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Post by schellis on Jan 13, 2017 11:21:23 GMT -5
Illegals can't get welfare, you have to have a valid Social Security # How did Obama cost you a job, was he in cahoots with some trillion $ company who outsourced your job? obamacare lead to a 20% reduction of staff at the hospital and more to further cost cutting. Illegals can get valid SS # They just aren't legal ones.
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Post by kinsm on Jan 13, 2017 11:38:19 GMT -5
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Post by redsfanman on Jan 13, 2017 11:39:09 GMT -5
I definitely degree that digging into the history of most men you'd find similarly lewd conversations somewhere. But, there's something about running to lead a party pushing abstinence only education and family values, and finding they're okay with extramarital affairs and such. It's hypocrisy to hold others to some standard you can't abide by. Although in fairness, I guess Trump has never really stressed his family values or anything like that like a traditional Republican, but plenty of evangelicals pretend that he has, and represents just what they want to believe.
"Illegals to vote" is a load of nonsense, constantly disproved by any investigation, including by GOP Secretary of States who regularly certify election results. 'Illegals' vote, just not in any of the 50 states, and those cases of voter fraud can never be identified at the time or in retrospect, despite large financial investments made in investigating it.
"if you don't vote for us your a racist or hate women", while the other side goes with "if you don't vote for us you're unpatriotic and hate America" If there's a difference, it's not much.
Immigration reform, he wants to just follow the current laws of the land. If you are illegal you shouldn't be here. If you are illegal you likely aren't paying taxes, and heck likely getting welfare and free medical as well. Want to come here, welcome do it legally, learn the language and pay your taxes. Most of the "illegals" want to stay and want to pay taxes, but need to be deported before they can pay taxes. Illegal immigrants don't get welfare, another often-repeated but constantly disproved myth.
The Russians didn't hack our voting machines and switch votes, but they stole information from both the Democrats and Republicans, and selectively leaked information damaging to the Democrats, while holding onto compromising information on the Republicans... they clearly hoped to hurt Hillary's chances and boost Trump. Like, I don't think that's open to serious debate. The information they gathered on Republicans they still have to use as leverage, perhaps as blackmail, against Trump. I think an important question is... why did the Russians want Trump? Did they care about who's the best for creating jobs in the United States, and turning the tide of progressive liberalism in the United States? No, ABSOLUTELY NOT. They saw him possibly as a fool, possibly as a proxy, and at least someone they could easily manipulate. Isn't that a major cause for concern?
Keeping jobs in America. So far he's worked to do this. Giving these companies tax breaks to do this will mean more money for the rest of us in the long run by both jobs and increased wages. So far he's promised tax deductions for Carrier to keep half the jobs in the US, while quietly sending the other half to Mexico anyways. Tax breaks don't mean more money for the rest of us, they mean less tax revenues. Trump has already claimed credit for several other announcements, like some car company (don't remember/care which) opening another factory or something in the US, which the company promised had NOTHING to do with Trump. So, that's how he's worked to get these things done... they happen, he claims credit. The jobs he's CLAIMED to have 'saved' (whether he is responsible or not) are a tiny drop in the bucket, while he's has done/can do little to stop the overwhelming trends.
Trump has never suggested anything to confront our long term issues - automation making jobs irrelevant, societal shifts (we flat out have moved away from coal, for example), an aging work force - instead blaming things on popular conservative bogymen... immigrants, free trade, things like that. Nothing he's done has had anything to do with increasing wages, and he chose a labor secretary ideologically opposed to the minimum wage.
Getting rid of Obamacare, that was nothing but a tax that didn't work. I think people actually had cheaper better coverage before this actually started, and it is crippling for small business Whole lot of nonsense, now that the GOP is positioned to repeal it they are having trouble, realizing that 20 million people added coverage. Most of the benefits of the ACA are extremely popular, but poorly educated people have trouble comprehending that the aspects of it they love are part of a law they want to hate. Whether that be insurance companies being forced to provide/continue coverage, staying on parents health care through age 25, or coverage for coal miners with black lung. One GOP senator recently said she wants to repeal and replace Obamacare with a law that covers more people, and Rand Paul refuses to vote on a repeal unless it's a step toward balancing the budget. Anyway, Obamacare is a bill that worked for LOTS of people. Maybe not for you. But you probably weren't the target, anyway. Rather than merely a 'tax', it's a form of wealth redistribution from the wealthy to people in need.
'Strong military' - That's a tagline, not a plan. All politicians, in both parties, want a 'strong military'. Some have different ideas what that is. Some see it was merely funneling money blindly into the Department of Defense, some see that as using the money wiser, some see it as reorganizing the military to face modern threats, while some want to prepare for the next Battle of Midway. Every year congress allocates hundreds of millions if not BILLIONS of dollars of taxpayer money on programs and equipment that the Department of Defense does NOT EVEN WANT. But, if you're fiscally responsible and target our bloated defense spending, you're 'weak' and opposed to a strong military. We're in 2017, not 1940. The threats we face are largely islamic terrorists, not the Imperial Japanese Navy and a need to invade northern Europe and overthrow the Nazis.
We don't live in a socialist country, we live in a capitalist country where the wealthiest 1% buy our elections, set our policies, and tell us what to think. They write our labor laws and dismantled unions so they can maximize their profits. They've gradually sold us on this with the notion that if we behave that wealth will trickle down onto us from our wealthy overlords, like Trump. Trump, for decades, has refused to pay countless workers and contractors, preying on and taking advantage of the poor, but we're okay with it, because he's one of the top 1%, and he must mean well. That since he/they are wealthy they'll make US wealthy too, despite no record of that ever happening, or any reason to suspect it ever will. Trickle-down economics is basically promising that extreme disparity will bring equality, which makes no sense whatsoever. GOP efforts towards re-regulation of everything will only make it easier for the wealthy to prey on the poor, and con-men like Trump to take advantage of their fellow Americas. Lets just hope they don't destroy the economy and send us into a recession... again.
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Post by kinsm on Jan 13, 2017 11:39:22 GMT -5
Illegals can't get welfare, you have to have a valid Social Security # How did Obama cost you a job, was he in cahoots with some trillion $ company who outsourced your job? obamacare lead to a 20% reduction of staff at the hospital and more to further cost cutting. Illegals can get valid SS # They just aren't legal ones. How did Obamacare force your hospital to cut 20% of it's staff? FYI: Hillary's 3 million + more votes were not from illegals.
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Post by redsfanman on Jan 13, 2017 11:42:35 GMT -5
He's whatever you want him to be, man! A monster who permits all immigrants to stay and doesn't follow immigration laws, and a monster who's deported more people than anyone! Both at the same time. Sure they're totally conflicting arguments, but who cares! Trump, by destroying faith in the media, doesn't have to worry about pesky things like facts and figures being trusted!
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Post by redsfanman on Jan 13, 2017 11:44:40 GMT -5
obamacare lead to a 20% reduction of staff at the hospital and more to further cost cutting. Illegals can get valid SS # They just aren't legal ones. How did Obamacare force your hospital to cut 20% of it's staff? FYI: Hillary's 3 million + more votes were not from illegals. I think some hospitals, over the past 8 years, have merged with larger hospitals. Then, with overlapping administrative people, they laid some off. Maybe that's what he's talking about? Before Obamacare mergers didn't happen, and organizations didn't try to cut costs. Duh.
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Post by schellis on Jan 13, 2017 13:11:12 GMT -5
Obamacare changed how hospitals were paid, they got less and it was a reduction in staff across the board all departments. Obama is scum who did nothing but campaign, vacation and chat up the liberal media. Trump could do a quarter of what Obama did and would be vilified as the worst president of all time, Obama does and he's looked at as some visionary leader who set a great standard by being the first minority president.
In the end it really comes down to this, neither side is going to convenience the other they are right. One will see the country being torn apart while the other will see it being built up. Liberal news will see things differently then conservative or moderate. Personally I think the Obama presidency was the worst I've been apart of, I feel he was vastly unqualified and has done nothing in his life that wasn't campaigning for his next job.
I'm very tired of politics, especially when the liberal side does no wrong according to most media outlets, I voted for Trump because I think he's more qualified to deal with different countries due to his business being global.
Frankly I can't see how anyone ever voted for Obama or Hilary. They promised change, they never said it had to be good.
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Post by redsfanman on Jan 13, 2017 13:52:58 GMT -5
Obamacare changed how hospitals were paid, they got less and it was a reduction in staff across the board all departments. Obama is scum who did nothing but campaign, vacation and chat up the liberal media. Trump could do a quarter of what Obama did and would be vilified as the worst president of all time, Obama does and he's looked at as some visionary leader who set a great standard by being the first minority president. In the end it really comes down to this, neither side is going to convenience the other they are right. One will see the country being torn apart while the other will see it being built up. Liberal news will see things differently then conservative or moderate. Personally I think the Obama presidency was the worst I've been apart of, I feel he was vastly unqualified and has done nothing in his life that wasn't campaigning for his next job. I'm very tired of politics, especially when the liberal side does no wrong according to most media outlets, I voted for Trump because I think he's more qualified to deal with different countries due to his business being global. Frankly I can't see how anyone ever voted for Obama or Hilary. They promised change, they never said it had to be good. Actually, I think Trump will set a new precedent, running the country into the ground for both Liberals and Conservatives to see. Short of his most die-hard supporters, who live in the alternate reality of the Alt-Right (about 5% of Americans), most are set to be extremely disappointed. While Obama was divisive - Liberals liked him, Conservatives hated him - I think Trump will end up with the hate of pretty much everyone. Like George W Bush, but without the evangelical support Rejected from his party like Jimmy Carter. In that sense I think he'll bring the country together in ways Obama and Hillary never could.
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Post by kinsm on Jan 13, 2017 16:19:49 GMT -5
If anything hospitals banked on Obamacare, it put 20 million more people on healthcare - 20 million more people who were able to go to hospitals.
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Post by breakerslim on Jan 15, 2017 9:33:21 GMT -5
Now Trump attacking John Lewis? This man is human garbage.
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Post by Lark11 on Jan 19, 2017 0:50:56 GMT -5
Now Trump attacking John Lewis? This man is human garbage. It absolutely amazes me that *anyone* can listen to Trump and feel good about his Presidency. It absolutely astonishes me that anyone can see his Cabinet nominees and feel good about the direction of the country. His choice for Secretary of Education is unwilling to support gun-free school zones and cited the threat of grizzly bears as a justification for guns in schools. Rick Perry was nominated for Secretary of Department of Energy, which is an agency he previously advocated eliminating and a position of which he had no understanding when accepting it. He was reportedly completely unaware that the position oversaw the country's nuclear weapons and facilities. Rick Perry majored in Animal Husbandry and is now overseeing the U.S. nuclear arsenal. The current Secretary of Energy, Ernest Moniz, was the chairman of M.I.T. physics department and directed the linear accelerator at M.I.T.'s Laboratory for Nuclear Science. But, hey, animal husbandry. The hypocrisy is stunning. The inexperience bordering on incompetence is staggering. The lack of concern from such a large percentage of the country over putting such unqualified people in positions of tremendous power is completely disorienting. There's some bizarre combination of entitlement, ambivalence, and false sense of invincibility plaguing the populace right now. Evidently, most of the country feels like the United States can maintain its global preeminence with an incompetent in charge. Evidently, most of the country feels like a nuclear exchange is an impossibility despite the fact that person soon to be in charge is a bully with a penchant for picking fights over minor disagreements. Believe it or not, nothing is guaranteed. Not our power. Not our wealth. Not our security. Not our safety. It all stems from the decisions we make, which is scary considering how absurd those decisions have been lately.
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