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Post by schellis on Oct 17, 2016 14:31:36 GMT -5
Hilary committed treason and her entire campaign seems to be hinged on Trump talking bad about people around a decade ago. Oh nos he said someone was ugly and he didn't want anything to do with them. Gasp the horror. No president has ever done anything like that ever. I'm tired of the oh you don't like Obama...you must be a racist, oh you don't like Hilary well obviously you are anti-woman and with both cases you aren't socially progressive. I'm tired of feeling like you have to kiss ass with every minority no matter how minority they are, and if you don't give them everything they want horrible horrible people.
I want a country where people have to come in legally and speak a national language (english), where the police are respected. Where everyone who works can get insurance through their employer and it is the employers who are fined when they fail to offer it when they say they are going to and not the citizen who were denied. If you are male you go to the men's room, and female the woman's None of this I think I'm the opposite sex crap. If I had daughters I certainly wouldn't want them changing for gym with boys in the room or vise versa.
This country is getting to the point where you can't do anything without the risk of causing someone to be butt hurt about it and being branded as a horrible person because of it.
I think Clinton will treat everyone like a special snowflake and push this country further to ruin. All she wants to do is turn the US into some Canadian/European country and have you seen the issues those countries have.
Trump isn't perfect and he isn't going to be able to do a high majority of the things he wants to do, and if the media was 50/50 he'd come off better. Hilary and Obama have done far worse and it is getting swept under the rug.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 18, 2016 12:22:34 GMT -5
"Hillary committed treason" - That's a load of nonsense. She's a politician who's only accused of doing normal politician things. She's held to double standards where things that are acceptable in other cases - heck, normal choices by normal politicians - are uniquely dishonest and treasonous. She used a private email? So did Colin Powell. 33,000 missing emails? The Bush Administration lost 3 million, largely those discussing initial planning of the Iraq invasion. Nobody cared. Every "treasonous" accusation, there are serious counterarguments. That's why none of the charges against her have EVER come close to anything that would hold up in court. Even partisan GOP-led investigations have failed to prove criminal actions, let alone "treason".
There's the common argument that if anybody else did so and so, they'd be in jail. I don't think that's the case. If a regular person did so and so, perhaps they would. But if they are a high ranking person in our government, in a Democratic OR Republican administration, they're rarely treated the same way. That's not Hillary, that's not the Democrats, that's the system, that she's only guilty of being part of, along with most other politicians in our country. It's not that Hillary plays from a different set of rules than everyone else, it's that the "Washington elite", if you prefer to call it that, has it's own set of rules. If you don't object to arguably criminal acts by the Bush administration or your own senator, in my opinion, you have no grounds to object to Hillary's.
-Respect is earned. Shooting unarmed people is not a way to earn respect. In my opinion police are largely responsible for the civil unrest that they're now dealing with, and making it worse than denying their role in it. Rather than admitting to wrong doing and charging officers with shooting people, too often the victims are merely blamed, as though we're on the verge of civil war and any admission of wrongdoing could blow everything wide open. Stressing opposition over healing...
-You want a country where people get healthcare covered through work? Cool. That's one way to address a problem, but many employers don't want to offer health insurance. Unfortunately healthcare is a complicated system, and I've learned that insurance companies are evil. I wish politicians would 'fix' our insurance system, but repealing the protections added by the ACA is hardly a logical direction to go. Again, most of the protections are extremely popular, only the aspect of the law about paying for it isn't.
-Have you ever met a transgender person? I doubt it. I have. It's not some character flaw or something to turn on or off. Fighting transgender people is a crazy wedge issue at the moment, like gay marriage before it. Condemning, outlawing, and descriminating against such people is hardly a long term solution. I mean, maybe it'll make a few of them commit suicide, but that's hardly an appealing situation... to any human person with even a passing respect for human life.
When I was little I was taught silly things like 'treat others like you would want to be treated'. Alas, that day is past. Now it's 'treat everyone like Fecal Matter, and whine that you're a victim of political correctness when they get angry'. Yeah, it's hard to criticize people for their gender identify, sexual preference, race, intelligence, looks, without them getting offended these days. Personally it seems like a world where people just aren't hateful towards eachother is the desireable outcome, rather than one where victims just take it and laugh.
"If the media was 50/50 he'd come off better". I don't know what you've been watching, but for a year I've seen the media constantly throwing a stream of often unfounded allegations at Hillary. Anything anti-Hillary is front page news, with or without evidence to corroborate it. Hillary-bashing sells. Even when a specific charge is disproven, it's already entered the echo chamber and is as unchallenged as any fact. I've never seen the media so harsh on any candidate, while ALSO being accused of so overly being in their corner. Like, her fundamental dishonesty is the key of all reporting, yet any serious investigation shows that she's no more dishonest than any politician. She's reputed as being dishonest while Trump is a truth teller, which doesn't stand up to any serious scrutiny.
What HAS the media done to help Hillary? They've repeated the facts that demographic shifts help her, and reported polling numbers that clarify her status as the favorite, which she's been since day one. There's been an extremely heavy focus on her flaws and problems as the media has tried to make a close race that people would continue to watch. They've repeated re-reported the same charges over and over again, while merely skimming through different allegations about Trump as the news cycle moves on. Take the Clinton and Trump Foundations, the Clinton Foundation remains a national controversy (despite good grades and reports on its activity by non-partisan investigators), while rule-breaking or extremely dishonest actions by the Trump Foundation are mere footnotes in this election, barely reported upon.
I think the media, as a whole, has basically given Trump a free pass, doing very little coverage of his history. Most of the focus is on stupid things he's said, things he himself has put into the news cycle. When something does turn up (lost $900m? scammed people? insulted prisoners of war? illegally bought off politicians?) it's quickly out of the news cycle. Meanwhile they've been extremely harsh on Hillary, making bold accusations of criminal actions that are largely unsupported even by GOP-led investigations. When discussing Hillary's 'crimes', context is almost entirely ignored in the effort to make a closer, more interesting race, to keep Trump in it as long as possible.
Hillary isn't a perfect candidate. She certainly has her flaws. But Trump's argument that the media is in the bag for Hillary is utter nonsense. The media, and it's unfair coverage of the successful business man and blind acceptance of the crooked Hillary narrative, is WHY Trump has gotten himself so far. And Trump has nobody but himself to blame for his utterly blowing this election.
Trump has made countless statements that, any year before 2016, would've widely been seen as totally unacceptable of a presidential candidate. He's made dozens of remarks far worse than any failed-campaign-defining remarks of the past. Once upon a time things like "read my lips, no new taxes" and Romney's 47% remarks were seen as controversial, but there's seemingly far worse coming out of Trump's mouth every week. That's Trump's problem (or one of them), not a matter of dishonest unflattering media coverage. Heck, Hillary's attack ads aren't even attacks, they're just VIDEOS OF TRUMP. I don't think the media is against Trump, I think real videos of Trump are against Trump.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 18, 2016 12:29:44 GMT -5
Fortunately, the GOP got a boost with word that Curt Schilling plans to run against Senator Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts in 2018. After getting fired from ESPN (wasn't it?) for saying offensive things, he's a logical person to face an extremely liberal senator in an extremely liberal state... right?
Good luck Curt Schilling! If you think there's shame in getting beat up by a girl, get prepared for it!
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Post by engstealth on Jan 10, 2017 5:01:35 GMT -5
The mere title of this thread, much less the contents, is utterly hilarious
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Post by The Duke on Jan 10, 2017 9:58:35 GMT -5
Perhaps at this point, Democrats have finally come to the realization that their Fecal Matter does in fact also stink. I didn't even vote for Trump, but I've said for years about how Hillary was such a terrible candidate.
4 years from now, we're likely be looking at a Cory Booker win as long as he doesn't go too far left or have a personal life meltdown a la John Edwards. Or unless Democrats still don't learn and fix the process again for the party chosen candidate.
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Post by kinsm on Jan 10, 2017 10:36:07 GMT -5
Hillary got 3 million more votes, all she had to do was show up in 3 states that she didn't and Trump would not be getting inaugurated.
The Republicans may think they have a mandate (defund "Obamacare", overturn Roe v Wade, stop immigration-deport 12 million, "re-build" the military, deregulate all industries-tax cuts for businesses, and tear up free trade agreements), but they don't...the nation is just as divided as it was the past 8 years.
It's going to be an interesting 4 years (possibly 8).
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Post by schellis on Jan 10, 2017 12:31:23 GMT -5
Hillary also had a lot of non-citizen's voting for her.
She made even crooked politicians look clean, likely would have done nothing but campaign like that joke that is in there now. I think the last month is the most work he's done since he's been in office.
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Post by kinsm on Jan 10, 2017 16:21:13 GMT -5
Hillary also had a lot of non-citizen's voting for her. Sure she did, probably all from Russia...wait a minute...
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Post by yorak on Jan 10, 2017 17:28:12 GMT -5
Fortunately, the GOP got a boost with word that Curt Schilling plans to run against Senator Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts in 2018. After getting fired from ESPN (wasn't it?) for saying offensive things, he's a logical person to face an extremely liberal senator in an extremely liberal state... right? Good luck Curt Schilling! If you think there's shame in getting beat up by a girl, get prepared for it! Schilling, what a pos
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Post by redsfanman on Jan 10, 2017 20:31:15 GMT -5
"She made even crooked politicians look clean"
I disagree, she showed that the every day actions of nearly any successful national politician can be spun to make the person look dishonest. Meet with donors? It's a necessity of modern politics - being able to fund-raise is a necessity for (almost) any candidate. But you also look corrupt. Make difficult decisions? Well, somebody was probably hurt by those decisions, you're probably corrupt. Follow precedents set clearly by Colin Powell (and explained by Colin Powell how to mimic them), which were never criticized by anybody, and you're definitely corrupt. If you have a record of playing by the accepted and established rules, there's a good chance those rules look pretty silly to an outsider.
The only way to 'look clean' is to have no track record. None. Zero. And not to raise money like virtually every major national party candidate for every office, successful or failure, for decades before Trump.
I follow politics closely. I've watched Hillary closely for over a year, and heard every accusation thrown at her. Nothing, in this whole time, has convinced me in the slightest bit that she is corrupt, let alone corrupt at a level that exceeds the average national politician. People who say she is are either lying (most of the GOP, as a tactic) or ignorant (most voters who don't understand how Washington works, especially with modern day fund-raising). Painting her that way with a double standard that avoids serious comparisons to ALL and ANY other politicians, was the real success story by the Republicans. She took great care to play by the rules, but the Republicans did a great job of confusing and misleading about what those rules even were, so her behavior looked questionable.
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Post by yorak on Jan 11, 2017 10:33:06 GMT -5
Treason? c'mon man
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Post by general on Jan 11, 2017 15:06:51 GMT -5
Hillary was a bad candidate, but is there any sane person who still believes Donald Trump was a good idea?
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Post by engstealth on Jan 11, 2017 19:46:56 GMT -5
Hillary was a bad candidate, but is there any sane person who still believes Donald Trump was a good idea? I'm no Trump fan, but as far as the subject of this thread.... from the Washington Post:
The past several years under Mr. Obama have not been kind to Democrats. When he took office in 2009, Democrats had an effective 58-seat majority in the Senate, had a staggering 256 seats in the House and held 28 governorships.
They lost the House and ceded the majority of governorships in 2010, held serve in 2012 with Mr. Obama’s re-election, then lost control of the Senate in 2014 and control of the White House this year. All told, Democrats have shed 63 House seats, 10 Senate seats and 12 governorships.
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Post by schellis on Jan 11, 2017 20:46:22 GMT -5
Hillary was a bad candidate, but is there any sane person who still believes Donald Trump was a good idea? He's far better then any candidate that the democrats have ran out in more than a decade and I'd have taken him over gw bush. I like what he's said he's going to do. Think most is way over do and will hopefully go a long way towards repairing the damage that Obama has done while on his eight year vacation
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Post by breakerslim on Jan 12, 2017 19:48:09 GMT -5
^ what attracted u to him? was it his history of sexual assault and blatant misogyny? his shameful low brow campaign aided by the russkies? his childish twitter rants? his not paying taxes for 3 decades?
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