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Post by schellis on May 29, 2015 13:54:50 GMT -5
You don't worry about a problem at a position till you have a problem at the position.
I have Mesoraco working on playing LF the moment he is able to start, and he would have already been doing it daily while being the Reds WOABOG (Weekly one At Bat Only Guy).
If he can no longer catch, and I believe that is a very real possibility, he has to play somewhere.
You can't deal him without putting him out there. If you allow Winker/Waldrop to block him teams will see that the Reds are paying a good hitter a lot of money to be a pinch hitter/DH and won't offer really much for him.
If you put him in LF and he's Dunn or Braun out there (good enough to stick at the position Dunn was ok in his younger years) then you can deal him from a position of strength if Winker/Waldrop/someone else pushes him for playing time.
Best case he is still able to catch, but needs to be spelled more often being able to play LF/1B would be a benefit.
Say what you will about fanman, but he's right on this there really is no downside to Mesoraco learning a new position.
Yes he could be blocked at all of the ones that he could realistically play, but if the choices are he plays there or is a expensive bench bat I think you need to run him out there and force the prospects to block him.
Best case is he can play C, 1B, LF and either play RF or have a regular LF that can do it.
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Post by kinsm on May 29, 2015 16:40:44 GMT -5
If he can no longer catch, and I believe that is a very real possibility, he has to play somewhere. Say what you will about fanman, but he's right on this..... Either I'm confused or you are confused, madfan said that they shouldn't target a Catching prospect because there was no reason to believe Mesoraco couldn't catch next year.
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Post by schellis on May 29, 2015 16:49:35 GMT -5
If he can no longer catch, and I believe that is a very real possibility, he has to play somewhere. Say what you will about fanman, but he's right on this..... Either I'm confused or you are confused, madfan said that they shouldn't target a Catching prospect because there was no reason to believe Mesoraco couldn't catch next year. Well that is moronic of course, you need to be prepared if he can't catch. But he also said that you should have Mesoraco playing another position too.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 16:50:46 GMT -5
The DH is probably coming to the N.L. soon so Mes problem may be solved. Pena is about as solid of a backup as you will find. So if he don't get a fortune on his next contract maybe the Reds can resign him. He knows the young pitchers and is well liked. So seems like a win-win. If they don't think Mes can catch next year. They could still deal him at deadline then maybe resign him next year. Again though if Mes can catch let Pena go and use Tucker as the backup.
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Post by rkymtnredsfan on May 29, 2015 17:09:24 GMT -5
The DH is probably coming to the N.L. soon . Say it aint so.
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Post by kinsm on May 29, 2015 17:16:03 GMT -5
Either I'm confused or you are confused, madfan said that they shouldn't target a Catching prospect because there was no reason to believe Mesoraco couldn't catch next year. Well that is moronic of course, you need to be prepared if he can't catch. But he also said that you should have Mesoraco playing another position too. We all said that.
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Post by kinsm on May 29, 2015 17:16:42 GMT -5
The DH is probably coming to the N.L. soon . No earlier than the next CBA.
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Post by rkymtnredsfan on May 29, 2015 17:21:38 GMT -5
Well that is moronic of course, you need to be prepared if he can't catch. But he also said that you should have Mesoraco playing another position too. We all said that. Isn't the definition of being prepared actually worrying about a problem before it's really a problem?
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Post by walstib on May 31, 2015 15:09:42 GMT -5
Organizations put such a high value on their catchers. I like Alfaro, for example, but I think the Rangers probably value him so highly that he'd use up most of the air in a trade. The discussion of Mesoraco is way ahead of the medical information: maybe it's true that he won't be a regular catcher again, but that should be clearer before the Reds sink major capital into another catcher... If someone will give something of value for Pena, just take it, and let Barnhart/Skipworth handle the catching this summer. Otherwise keep him, but I don't see why the younger pitchers should have any problems working with Barnhart, in particular... Major capital for a another catcher was not even hinted at, but only a mention of getting a "decent" catcher in the return if the club sells off it's assets this summer. A hip impingement is not an affliction that you want if you are a catcher, nor a club would want of your up-and-coming backstop. The real question is if the brain-trust feels that Barnhardt can handle the long-term duties behind the plate if Mesoraco is finished catching? Do you have faith that Barnhardt can be the answer behind the dish if Meso cannot catch any longer?
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Post by psuhistory on May 31, 2015 15:21:08 GMT -5
Organizations put such a high value on their catchers. I like Alfaro, for example, but I think the Rangers probably value him so highly that he'd use up most of the air in a trade. The discussion of Mesoraco is way ahead of the medical information: maybe it's true that he won't be a regular catcher again, but that should be clearer before the Reds sink major capital into another catcher... If someone will give something of value for Pena, just take it, and let Barnhart/Skipworth handle the catching this summer. Otherwise keep him, but I don't see why the younger pitchers should have any problems working with Barnhart, in particular... Major capital for a another catcher was not even hinted at, but only a mention of getting a "decent" catcher in the return if the club sells off it's assets this summer. A hip impingement is not an affliction that you want if you are a catcher, nor a club would want of your up-and-coming backstop. The real question is if the brain-trust feels that Barnhardt can handle the long-term duties behind the plate if Mesoraco is finished catching? Do you have faith that Barnhardt can be the answer behind the dish if Meso cannot catch any longer? I think good catching prospects tend to be overvalued, that's all, and the discussion of replacing Mesoraco is ahead of the medical information. If Mesoraco can still catch after the surgery, but needs his workload managed, I don't have a problem with Barnhart as the second catcher. He looks like defensively he can handle it...
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Post by walstib on May 31, 2015 15:31:34 GMT -5
Major capital for a another catcher was not even hinted at, but only a mention of getting a "decent" catcher in the return if the club sells off it's assets this summer. A hip impingement is not an affliction that you want if you are a catcher, nor a club would want of your up-and-coming backstop. The real question is if the brain-trust feels that Barnhardt can handle the long-term duties behind the plate if Mesoraco is finished catching? Do you have faith that Barnhardt can be the answer behind the dish if Meso cannot catch any longer? I think good catching prospects tend to be overvalued, that's all, and the discussion of replacing Mesoraco is ahead of the medical information. If Mesoraco can still catch after the surgery, but needs his workload managed, I don't have a problem with Barnhart as the second catcher. He looks like defensively he can handle it... I want Mesoraco back, but I also do not want to be left short-handed if he's not able to catch again. That's all...
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