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Post by Lark11 on Oct 24, 2014 11:05:18 GMT -5
What uniforms are these?  And, why are they better (save for maybe the hat) than anything we wear now? |
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Post by schellis on Oct 24, 2014 11:13:54 GMT -5
Probably from a turn back the clock game...looks like something from the 50's or maybe early 60's like say something along the lines of the Reds 61 NL championship team. It would have been the 30th anniversary for that team that year.
The regular uniforms that year were likely the candy stripper years based on the hat. Not a fan of the white hat.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 24, 2014 16:53:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's the 1961 model, because it's the home uniform but doesn't have the red pinstripes. Possibly 1959, I'm not sure why the home uniform is gray...
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Post by schellis on Oct 24, 2014 19:19:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's the 1961 model, because it's the home uniform but doesn't have the red pinstripes. Possibly 1959, I'm not sure why the home uniform is gray... Might not be a photo from a home game. Looks like they could be playing the Phillies |
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Post by schellis on Oct 24, 2014 19:23:48 GMT -5
exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=nl_1957_cincinnati.gif&Entryid=910This was the uniform for the 1957 Reds. from the late 50's to 60's though it was similar just the socks changed. Slight change in 61 they added color to the cincy C.. This is from the following for the time period where that uniform likely came from mlb.mlb.com/cin/history/uniforms_logos.jspThe most novel feature (not a first - the Cubs were the originals in 1940) was the sleeveless vest jersey. The stockings were still red, but with narrow white stripes. The caps were solid red with a white "wishbone C" and even the belts were red. The undershirt sleeves were solid red (when not cut off at the shoulder a la Ted Kluszewski). The gray road uniforms were identical to the home whites except for the baseball head cartoon face ("Old Red") which replaced the wishbone C on the left breast. The sleeveless vest won approval from the players (the Pirates "followed suit" in '57) and remained a uniform feature until the mid-60s.
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Post by schellis on Oct 24, 2014 19:54:17 GMT -5
They also went from the big red machine jersey style that they had worn for 20 plus years to something similar to that model in 1993.
The jersey in question though is a throw back to the 1957 road jersey. Not sure why 1957 was picked. Can't see that being a good year for the Reds or Phillies (if they are playing the Phillies not many teams have that color red pinstripes)
The Reds went 80-74 that year and it was Klu's last year with the team, and the Phillies (only team other then Reds with red pinstripe home unis in 1957) were a .500 club.
I could see the Phillies having a 1950 throw back day late that was the year the Phillies were swept in the series by the Yankees, but 1991 seems a odd year to do it, would work for the Reds with the 61 team but that isn't the unis they wore that year.
They're wearing 1957 and usually the other team is doing the same in these types of games. No idea why that year was chosen by the Phillies (I would think it would be the home teams call) The Phillies did wear pretty much the same uniform from 1950 to 1970, much like the Reds did from 1970-1992.
So perhaps the Reds just picked one that was close to what they intended to bust out in 1993 just to gauge interest.
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 24, 2014 20:12:26 GMT -5
I don't think it's the 1961 model, because it's the home uniform but doesn't have the red pinstripes. Possibly 1959, I'm not sure why the home uniform is gray... Might not be a photo from a home game. Looks like they could be playing the Phillies The road uniforms just say "Cincinnati" across the front. If this was a road game, maybe the home styling was adapted to the road grays... |
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Post by schellis on Oct 24, 2014 20:13:23 GMT -5
Might not be a photo from a home game. Looks like they could be playing the Phillies The road uniforms just say "Cincinnati" across the front. If this was a road game, maybe the home styling was adapted to the road grays... Not the 1957 version. Check my links my homework is good. |
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 24, 2014 20:21:34 GMT -5
This was the uniform for the 1957 Reds. Very close, it looks like Larkin's uniform might also have a "Reds" inside the "C" like models before the 1950s, hard to tell from the photo... |
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 24, 2014 20:28:48 GMT -5
The road uniforms just say "Cincinnati" across the front. If this was a road game, maybe the home styling was adapted to the road grays... Not the 1957 version. Check my links my homework is good. Apparently, from the 1956 through the 1960 seasons, the road uniforms didn't have "Cincinnati" on them, just the C... |
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 24, 2014 21:02:55 GMT -5
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Post by schellis on Oct 25, 2014 8:48:40 GMT -5
This was the uniform for the 1957 Reds. Very close, it looks like Larkin's uniform might also have a "Reds" inside the "C" like models before the 1950s, hard to tell from the photo... I thought that as well, but they didn't wear those socks for many years. I think they wore those only for two years 56 and 57, and 56 the road uniform had a Mr. Red face instead of the C. |
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 25, 2014 10:30:49 GMT -5
Very close, it looks like Larkin's uniform might also have a "Reds" inside the "C" like models before the 1950s, hard to tell from the photo... I thought that as well, but they didn't wear those socks for many years. I think they wore those only for two years 56 and 57, and 56 the road uniform had a Mr. Red face instead of the C. I like the plain C, the simpler the better in my opinion, but I also like to see the Reds in New York, Boston, Washington, Los Angeles, wearing jerseys that have "Cincinnati" on them. I think it's part of the informal contract between the team and the city... It's an interesting problem in using photos as evidence that's worth summing up. There's no way to date the uniform exactly from the photo because the road uniforms were the same between 1957 and 1960 (it can't be '56 because it's the C, not Mr. Red). It's the Reds/Phillies 1991 throwback game that fixes it in 1957, that's the ticket... |
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Post by schellis on Oct 25, 2014 13:43:51 GMT -5
I thought that as well, but they didn't wear those socks for many years. I think they wore those only for two years 56 and 57, and 56 the road uniform had a Mr. Red face instead of the C. I like the plain C, the simpler the better in my opinion, but I also like to see the Reds in New York, Boston, Washington, Los Angeles, wearing jerseys that have "Cincinnati" on them. I think it's part of the informal contract between the team and the city... It's an interesting problem in using photos as evidence that's worth summing up. There's no way to date the uniform exactly from the photo because the road uniforms were the same between 1957 and 1960 (it can't be '56 because it's the C, not Mr. Red). It's the Reds/Phillies 1991 throwback game that fixes it in 1957, that's the ticket... Its the socks that allow it to be narrowed down. They only wore that style of socks in 56 and 57. Mr. Red was on the 56 uniform instead of the C. 57 is the only year that matches. They did wear similar till 61 however they went with the standard all red stocking. I agree with that change. Not a fan of the stripped socks. I tend to like the more clean and traditional looks for teams that have been around as long as the Reds, allows them to connect to their history. I think they need to keep it simple and never have a uniform where any non-white/gray color is more prominent then red. I wouldn't mind some blue trim as long as it was kept to the minimum though. The hats should always be red. It is much harder to match a uniform in the current game with all the alternate jerseys they have now. I mean last year the Reds had the red tops, camo, and green lettering in addition to what the uniform database says was their home and road. |
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 25, 2014 14:36:38 GMT -5
Interesting work and good stuff, gents!
I thought it had a late 50s, early 60s feel to it. I actually like the way it looks in the photo I posted more than in the photo PSU found. I think that's due to it looking lighter/whiter in the PSU photo, it looking a bit more flannel-esq in my photo, and the fact that you can't see the striped socks in PSU's.
I'd love to see our road uniforms look similar to these unis. A slightly darker shade of gray, sleeveless, and striped socks. And, of course, a team rule that everyone has to wear high socks.
Is any team wearing sleeveless jerseys these days? Maybe the White Sox or D-Backs.
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