|
Post by psuhistory on Sept 22, 2014 10:55:45 GMT -5
Jocketty wasted a good deal of time last offseason trying to trade Brandon Phillips, a move that allegedly was ordered from above and wasn't primarily performance-based, and that Jocketty (again allegedly) didn't support. At the time, resolving Bailey's extension seemed like a major accomplishment. Jocketty's approach to the catching situation also worked out: he exchanged defense for offense there and managed to get back a not-entirely-useless pitching prospect for the tattered outer fringe of the rotation. His signing of Iglesias before the ASB could have a significant impact in 2015. He obviously didn't believe that replacing Choo with Hamilton would be a disaster, and he was right, even if Hamilton's .253/.295 is down from what seemed possible for him even last month (8/60 in September)...
This wasn't a spectacular offseason, but it wasn't a failure either. There's clearly a lot of work to do this offseason, and it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace Jocketty if that work's going to involve significant tearing down of the roster. Otherwise, it's not evident that he can't handle the problem of increasing the current group's offensive production. Presumably, identifying the problem won't take a lot of collating: the second half numbers speak loudly and wield a cudgel...
|
|
|
Post by Lark11 on Sept 22, 2014 11:11:01 GMT -5
Jocketty wasted a good deal of time last offseason trying to trade Brandon Phillips, a move that allegedly was ordered from above and wasn't primarily performance-based, and that Jocketty (again allegedly) didn't support. At the time, resolving Bailey's extension seemed like a major accomplishment. Jocketty's approach to the catching situation also worked out: he exchanged defense for offense there and managed to get back a not-entirely-useless pitching prospect for the tattered outer fringe of the rotation. His signing of Iglesias before the ASB could have a significant impact in 2015. He obviously didn't believe that replacing Choo with Hamilton would be a disaster, and he was right, even if Hamilton's .253/.295 is down from what seemed possible for him even last month (8/60 in September)... This wasn't a spectacular offseason, but it wasn't a failure either. There's clearly a lot of work to do this offseason, and it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace Jocketty if that work's going to involve significant tearing down of the roster. Otherwise, it's not evident that he can't handle the problem of increasing the current group's offensive production. Presumably, identifying the problem won't take a lot of collating: the second half numbers speak loudly and wield a cudgel... Good points. One of the more interesting parts of the Jocketty regime is his willingness to aggressively pursue international free agents. It obviously paid off huge on Chapman and he's hoping Iglesias pays off as well. Given the Reds penny-pinching ways, I wasn't expecting the Reds to be big players in this market.
|
|
|
Post by Dustrated on Nov 6, 2016 17:27:16 GMT -5
Ironically the Cubs, with their young talent, have former Rookie of the Year Chris Coghlan on the team, who quickly went bust after his much-hyped rookie season. It seems like a metaphor regarding how their talent has panned out. Mike Olt has hit .156 in 218 ABs this year, Javier Baez .178 in 174 ABs. Alcantara has hit .212 in 245 ABs. Jorge Soler's 57 AB debut seems like the only success story this year amongst their young hitting talent. Kyle Hendricks seems like their only success story amongst young pitchers. Rizzo and Starlin Castro have also hit well, at age 24, but Castro's name often comes up as a trade candidate. Their farm system still has Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, and others who are years away. Is Jake Arietta having a breakout season or a fluke season at age 28? Which is the real Travis Wood, the 2013 version or the every other year one? Is Tsuyoshi Wada for real? What does the future look like for Jacob Turner, Felix Doubront, and Dan Straily? These 6 guys look like the starting rotation the Cubs have assembled going forward. The Cubs have a lot of raw talent (a benefit of drafting so high for so many years, after so many bad seasons). Do they have a winning team for 2015? I sure don't see it. Olt and Coghlan reflect what I expect from many of their hitting prospects, and their rotation is full of HUGE question marks. Jocketty has developed a farm system heavy in starting pitchers and corner outfielders. A wave of them were promoted a few years ago, and the next wave are due in the next couple of years. Lol
|
|
|
Post by redsfanman on Nov 8, 2016 9:39:56 GMT -5
Ironically the Cubs, with their young talent, have former Rookie of the Year Chris Coghlan on the team, who quickly went bust after his much-hyped rookie season. It seems like a metaphor regarding how their talent has panned out. Mike Olt has hit .156 in 218 ABs this year, Javier Baez .178 in 174 ABs. Alcantara has hit .212 in 245 ABs. Jorge Soler's 57 AB debut seems like the only success story this year amongst their young hitting talent. Kyle Hendricks seems like their only success story amongst young pitchers. Rizzo and Starlin Castro have also hit well, at age 24, but Castro's name often comes up as a trade candidate. Their farm system still has Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, and others who are years away. Is Jake Arietta having a breakout season or a fluke season at age 28? Which is the real Travis Wood, the 2013 version or the every other year one? Is Tsuyoshi Wada for real? What does the future look like for Jacob Turner, Felix Doubront, and Dan Straily? These 6 guys look like the starting rotation the Cubs have assembled going forward. The Cubs have a lot of raw talent (a benefit of drafting so high for so many years, after so many bad seasons). Do they have a winning team for 2015? I sure don't see it. Olt and Coghlan reflect what I expect from many of their hitting prospects, and their rotation is full of HUGE question marks. Jocketty has developed a farm system heavy in starting pitchers and corner outfielders. A wave of them were promoted a few years ago, and the next wave are due in the next couple of years. Lol What's so funny? Cubs won the World Series, but the fact is they weren't a World Series contender in 2014, when I wrote that. They shared and addressed my concerns about their rotation by signing Lester, Lackey, and Hammel as free agents. Other roster concerns were addressed by handing out big paychecks to Zobrist, Fowler, and Heyward. And trading for Chapman. Don't pretend the World Series title didn't take a lot of work, and moves, between then and now. -Russell and Bryant both reached the majors faster than I expected, by a year or so. -Schwarber, although he missed most of this year, was only a few months out of the draft then. He caught many off guard with his quick rise. -Arietta has now established himself as an ace, but I don't regret consider his breakout 2014 (after 4 years of struggles) a fluke until proven otherwise. Great seasons by guys who have been terrible in the past are, more often than not, flukes. -Alcantara and Straily have since become Reds, for whatever that's worth. -Baez, despite some postseason heroics, is still a big question mark with questionable plate discipline. -Starlin Castro was indeed traded -Soler had a fairly mediocre season, lost playing time in the postseason, and now seems like a potential trade candidate -Willson Contreras is now one of the Cubs' top young players, but he wasn't a particularly impressive prospect until 2015, and wasn't ranked in the top 100 until 2016. As a guy who signed as a kid in 2009 he's arguably come out of nowhere. I think a lot of successful moves converged to win them the 2016 World Series, but lets not pretend that all the pieces were there in 2014. Meanwhile we've been seeing the young starting pitchers Jocketty had acquired, and some but not all of the new corner outfielders.
|
|
|
Post by Dustrated on Nov 8, 2016 11:28:09 GMT -5
What's so funny? Cubs won the World Series, but the fact is they weren't a World Series contender in 2014, when I wrote that. They shared and addressed my concerns about their rotation by signing Lester, Lackey, and Hammel as free agents. Other roster concerns were addressed by handing out big paychecks to Zobrist, Fowler, and Heyward. And trading for Chapman. Don't pretend the World Series title didn't take a lot of work, and moves, between then and now. -Russell and Bryant both reached the majors faster than I expected, by a year or so. -Schwarber, although he missed most of this year, was only a few months out of the draft then. He caught many off guard with his quick rise. -Arietta has now established himself as an ace, but I don't regret consider his breakout 2014 (after 4 years of struggles) a fluke until proven otherwise. Great seasons by guys who have been terrible in the past are, more often than not, flukes. -Alcantara and Straily have since become Reds, for whatever that's worth. -Baez, despite some postseason heroics, is still a big question mark with questionable plate discipline. -Starlin Castro was indeed traded -Soler had a fairly mediocre season, lost playing time in the postseason, and now seems like a potential trade candidate -Willson Contreras is now one of the Cubs' top young players, but he wasn't a particularly impressive prospect until 2015, and wasn't ranked in the top 100 until 2016. As a guy who signed as a kid in 2009 he's arguably come out of nowhere. I think a lot of successful moves converged to win them the 2016 World Series, but lets not pretend that all the pieces were there in 2014. Meanwhile we've been seeing the young starting pitchers Jocketty had acquired, and some but not all of the new corner outfielders. Russel and Bryant - Everyone knew Bryant was reaching the majors in 2015. The whole discussion was it going to be opening day or was it going to be 3 weeks into the season. When Russell got called up you were again the only one surprised by this and thought it was "silly" redlegsbaseball.proboards.com/thread/16049/cubs-call-addison-russellArrietta - Why is it ok for you to call Arietta a fluke after a whole season, but when Marty says Straily cannot possibly keep up this production and is due for a pounding, it must be because he is old and bitter and doesn't know anything about baseball. Alcantara- If a Red were to hit .212 in his first 245 at-bats and someone were to bring that up you would call that stat meaningless. But you felt the need to point this out and say that the Cubs prospects really aren't working out. Alcantara then goes on to drop his slash to .195/.249/.337, joins the Reds and all of a sudden those stats are meaningless and all that matters is he was a former top prospect. redlegsbaseball.proboards.com/thread/17304/reds-claim-arismendy-alcantara"On the other hand, Arismendy Alcantara. I think that is a GREAT claim. I am thrilled. Acquiring a young former top prospect for next to nothing is reminiscent of Brandon Phillips' initial acquisition. He's like a perfect waiver claim - if eligible I would've considered him a worthwhile Rule 5 pick. He's a former top prospect who's played lots of 2b and CF this year, and even had some time at SS in the minors. He used to be regarded as a potential five tool player (and it's his hit tool that's now in question), and had a pretty respectable year in AAA - hitting .278 with a .325 OBP with 12 HR and 32 SB as a 24 year old. He's got versatility, speed, power... and LOTS of upside."Would you still be saying this about Alcantara if he was a Cub or A? Baez, Soler were both under the age of 24. You would never be question a top Red prospect under the age of 24 for plate discipline. Baez and Soler are questionable, but BHam is a form RoY runner-up, he will be fine.
|
|
|
Post by Dustrated on Nov 8, 2016 11:31:54 GMT -5
What's so funny? Cubs won the World Series, but the fact is they weren't a World Series contender in 2014, when I wrote that. They shared and addressed my concerns about their rotation by signing Lester, Lackey, and Hammel as free agents. Other roster concerns were addressed by handing out big paychecks to Zobrist, Fowler, and Heyward. And trading for Chapman. Don't pretend the World Series title didn't take a lot of work, and moves, between then and now. As for this... The thread was about the Cubs putting together some great young talent. Not sure where the World Series was mentioned.
|
|
|
Post by redsfanman on Nov 8, 2016 15:14:51 GMT -5
What's so funny? Cubs won the World Series, but the fact is they weren't a World Series contender in 2014, when I wrote that. They shared and addressed my concerns about their rotation by signing Lester, Lackey, and Hammel as free agents. Other roster concerns were addressed by handing out big paychecks to Zobrist, Fowler, and Heyward. And trading for Chapman. Don't pretend the World Series title didn't take a lot of work, and moves, between then and now. -Russell and Bryant both reached the majors faster than I expected, by a year or so. -Schwarber, although he missed most of this year, was only a few months out of the draft then. He caught many off guard with his quick rise. -Arietta has now established himself as an ace, but I don't regret consider his breakout 2014 (after 4 years of struggles) a fluke until proven otherwise. Great seasons by guys who have been terrible in the past are, more often than not, flukes. -Alcantara and Straily have since become Reds, for whatever that's worth. -Baez, despite some postseason heroics, is still a big question mark with questionable plate discipline. -Starlin Castro was indeed traded -Soler had a fairly mediocre season, lost playing time in the postseason, and now seems like a potential trade candidate -Willson Contreras is now one of the Cubs' top young players, but he wasn't a particularly impressive prospect until 2015, and wasn't ranked in the top 100 until 2016. As a guy who signed as a kid in 2009 he's arguably come out of nowhere. I think a lot of successful moves converged to win them the 2016 World Series, but lets not pretend that all the pieces were there in 2014. Meanwhile we've been seeing the young starting pitchers Jocketty had acquired, and some but not all of the new corner outfielders. Russel and Bryant - Everyone knew Bryant was reaching the majors in 2015. The whole discussion was it going to be opening day or was it going to be 3 weeks into the season. When Russell got called up you were again the only one surprised by this and thought it was "silly" redlegsbaseball.proboards.com/thread/16049/cubs-call-addison-russellArrietta - Why is it ok for you to call Arietta a fluke after a whole season, but when Marty says Straily cannot possibly keep up this production and is due for a pounding, it must be because he is old and bitter and doesn't know anything about baseball. Alcantara- If a Red were to hit .212 in his first 245 at-bats and someone were to bring that up you would call that stat meaningless. But you felt the need to point this out and say that the Cubs prospects really aren't working out. Alcantara then goes on to drop his slash to .195/.249/.337, joins the Reds and all of a sudden those stats are meaningless and all that matters is he was a former top prospect. redlegsbaseball.proboards.com/thread/17304/reds-claim-arismendy-alcantara"On the other hand, Arismendy Alcantara. I think that is a GREAT claim. I am thrilled. Acquiring a young former top prospect for next to nothing is reminiscent of Brandon Phillips' initial acquisition. He's like a perfect waiver claim - if eligible I would've considered him a worthwhile Rule 5 pick. He's a former top prospect who's played lots of 2b and CF this year, and even had some time at SS in the minors. He used to be regarded as a potential five tool player (and it's his hit tool that's now in question), and had a pretty respectable year in AAA - hitting .278 with a .325 OBP with 12 HR and 32 SB as a 24 year old. He's got versatility, speed, power... and LOTS of upside."Would you still be saying this about Alcantara if he was a Cub or A? Baez, Soler were both under the age of 24. You would never be question a top Red prospect under the age of 24 for plate discipline. Baez and Soler are questionable, but BHam is a form RoY runner-up, he will be fine. Geez, how much time do you spend researching my quotes? The Daily Show pays people to watch FoxNews so they can bring up quotes, but you do that same thing for me! I guess it's an honor. Okay, we want to go through these one by one? I think they rushed Addison Russell to the majors, yes. They started his service clock earlier than I would have. He'll be a super two player, which will cost the Cubs millions of dollars down the road. I believe that Russell will continue to get better as he approaches his prime, and what he's done so far isn't the best he'll do. Bryant was even more deserving of a call-up, but will also be super-two eligible. After 2014 I obviously didn't expect the 2015 Cubs to win as many games (97) as they did, but history has shown me that most top prospects don't burst onto the scene like Bryant did. I'm the first person who'll say that Straily had a lucky career year. He outperformed his peripheral metrics. It's just a matter of time before he loses his rotation spot to a better, younger, harder-throwing candidate. But the broadcaster trying to drum up criticism, convincing people that he's rooting for the player he covers to be terrible, there's something wrong with that, in my opinion. Sure Straily is prone for regression going forward, but prefacing his individual starts with a warning that tonight is probably the night -without any justification- where his good season comes to the end... that's just crazy. Feeding into the anger and frustration of Reds fans. People like you jump on that, even if the player doesn't have the predicted meltdown. The voice of the Reds should NOT be rooting against the Reds. If he disagrees they should find a new voice. In Arietta's case, I wanted to see more success before I took him seriously. We've all seen lots of one year wonders. I think there's a big difference between wondering if a candidate had a great year and expecting every night that he's doomed the next. Alcantara, yes, if he was still a Cub or A I'd recognize his raw upside and appeal as a waiver or rule 5 claim. He's not a sure-thing superstar or an elite top prospect to bet your organization's future on, but he's always had plenty of upside to be a great waiver claim. I think Alcantara has a lot of the same pros and cons with Javier Baez - notably raw upside, but poor plate discipline. Personally I think it was a stupid decision by the A's (a non-contending team) to give up on Alcantara, but we'll see. If the 2016 Cubs gave up on Alcantara in 2016 to clear up a roster spot to facilitate their World Series run that's one thing, but the A's should've kept a guy like him. I wouldn't have advocated trading (anyone worthwhile, at least... a redo of Phillips for Jeff Stevens is another story) for Alcantara because of his flaws, but he's just the kinda guy I want a rebuilding team to add. Maybe you're unfamiliar with the differences between Soler/Baez and Hamilton. Hamilton will likely win his Gold Glove tonight, while Soler and Baez's value largely comes from their bat. Hamilton has never had tremendous plate discipline, but with his speed I think his priority is just to make contact, not necessarily square up the ball and hit homeruns - aggressively knocking the ball onto the infield is all he needs to do. Jose Peraza has recently demonstrated basically the approach that I hoped for from Hamilton, but that's not the kinda player Soler and Baez are, who get so much value from their raw power. I'm trying to think of an example of a young Reds hitting prospect who's a highly regarded power hitter but has bad plate discipline, but coming up blank (Dunn, of course, had huge BB totals along with his K's, so I think his plate discipline was drastically underrated - inability to make contact was a separate issue)... most are either primarily speedy defensive guys (Hamilton), good plate discipline guys (Winker), or come up over 25 (Frazier, Cozart). Votto (excellent plate discipline), Bruce (BB/K weren't his problems), Mesoraco (average, not K were his problems early on), and Stubbs are each kinda outliers (poor plate discipline, but arguably a Billy Hamilton-esq strong defender). I think Stubbs is the only moderately close comparison to Soler and Baez in the past 5-10 years for the Reds, of a promising raw-skills hitter with poor plate discipline. They all have floors and ceilings... Stubbs' poor plate discipline and strikeout rate kept him from reaching his ceiling, and it's way too soon to know if Soler and Baez can get past their problems. Baez and Soler both have upside to be stars. If they don't reach it they'll still be around in some capacity for years, like Drew Stubbs, because their floors are high enough. Spinning back to the previous question, if I could have Baez and Soler as waiver/rule 5 picks? Yes, absolutely. Would I trade top prospects so the Reds could acquire them? No, absolutely not. But I also wouldn't trade for Duvall or Hamilton from other teams. If those guys were on MY team I'd root for them to develop plate discipline, but that's a big step they - and many other young players - still have to do.
|
|
|
Post by redsfanman on Nov 8, 2016 15:17:36 GMT -5
What's so funny? Cubs won the World Series, but the fact is they weren't a World Series contender in 2014, when I wrote that. They shared and addressed my concerns about their rotation by signing Lester, Lackey, and Hammel as free agents. Other roster concerns were addressed by handing out big paychecks to Zobrist, Fowler, and Heyward. And trading for Chapman. Don't pretend the World Series title didn't take a lot of work, and moves, between then and now. As for this... The thread was about the Cubs putting together some great young talent. Not sure where the World Series was mentioned. You were mocking my response, without taking into account all the important free agents the Cubs needed to add to supplement that young talent before achieving any success. I think my post from 2014 was completely reasonable. Heck, if anything the Cubs acknowledged and addressed most of the concerns I mentioned, and that's what got them to where they are now. It wasn't just through the young talent.
|
|
|
Post by Dustrated on Nov 8, 2016 15:25:17 GMT -5
Russel and Bryant - Everyone knew Bryant was reaching the majors in 2015. The whole discussion was it going to be opening day or was it going to be 3 weeks into the season. When Russell got called up you were again the only one surprised by this and thought it was "silly" redlegsbaseball.proboards.com/thread/16049/cubs-call-addison-russellArrietta - Why is it ok for you to call Arietta a fluke after a whole season, but when Marty says Straily cannot possibly keep up this production and is due for a pounding, it must be because he is old and bitter and doesn't know anything about baseball. Alcantara- If a Red were to hit .212 in his first 245 at-bats and someone were to bring that up you would call that stat meaningless. But you felt the need to point this out and say that the Cubs prospects really aren't working out. Alcantara then goes on to drop his slash to .195/.249/.337, joins the Reds and all of a sudden those stats are meaningless and all that matters is he was a former top prospect. redlegsbaseball.proboards.com/thread/17304/reds-claim-arismendy-alcantara"On the other hand, Arismendy Alcantara. I think that is a GREAT claim. I am thrilled. Acquiring a young former top prospect for next to nothing is reminiscent of Brandon Phillips' initial acquisition. He's like a perfect waiver claim - if eligible I would've considered him a worthwhile Rule 5 pick. He's a former top prospect who's played lots of 2b and CF this year, and even had some time at SS in the minors. He used to be regarded as a potential five tool player (and it's his hit tool that's now in question), and had a pretty respectable year in AAA - hitting .278 with a .325 OBP with 12 HR and 32 SB as a 24 year old. He's got versatility, speed, power... and LOTS of upside."Would you still be saying this about Alcantara if he was a Cub or A? Baez, Soler were both under the age of 24. You would never be question a top Red prospect under the age of 24 for plate discipline. Baez and Soler are questionable, but BHam is a form RoY runner-up, he will be fine. Geez, how much time do you spend researching my quotes? The Daily Show pays people to watch FoxNews so they can bring up quotes, but you do that same thing for me! I guess it's an honor. Okay, we want to go through these one by one?
No need to research, I have an incredible memory. Plus if I were to close my eyes and randomly click on a page and a topic I would find something you said that was idiotic. And hell I probably only read about 2% of what you write. Just like I am going to stop here with this line and not bother going any further. I have already learned it is pointless.
|
|
|
Post by redsfanman on Nov 8, 2016 15:49:06 GMT -5
Geez, how much time do you spend researching my quotes? The Daily Show pays people to watch FoxNews so they can bring up quotes, but you do that same thing for me! I guess it's an honor. Okay, we want to go through these one by one?
No need to research, I have an incredible memory. Plus if I were to close my eyes and randomly click on a page and a topic I would find something you said that was idiotic. And hell I probably only read about 2% of what you write. Just like I am going to stop here with this line and not bother going any further. I have already learned it is pointless. If you do actually possess intelligence (news to me!) and an incredible memory I suggest using it on more worthwhile causes than trolling people on Cincinnati Reds blogs. Just a thought. You read every word. You even search for my postings to find these. I like discussing them. All that bothers me is that you deny that. You reply to far more than 2% of my posts, and cite far more. I sorta wish you'd admit that you hate and despise me rather than lie to yourself and deny that you read almost everything I post. That's insulting to us both. So terrified to even admit reading stuff you respond to, it's embarrassing. You're a jerk, but you don't need to be ashamed of that. You can work on being more friendly and try having constructive discussions.
|
|
|
Post by Dustrated on Nov 10, 2016 13:35:08 GMT -5
No need to research, I have an incredible memory. Plus if I were to close my eyes and randomly click on a page and a topic I would find something you said that was idiotic. And hell I probably only read about 2% of what you write. Just like I am going to stop here with this line and not bother going any further. I have already learned it is pointless. If you do actually possess intelligence (news to me!) and an incredible memory I suggest using it on more worthwhile causes than trolling people on Cincinnati Reds blogs. Just a thought. You read every word. You even search for my postings to find these. I like discussing them. All that bothers me is that you deny that. You reply to far more than 2% of my posts, and cite far more. I sorta wish you'd admit that you hate and despise me rather than lie to yourself and deny that you read almost everything I post. That's insulting to us both. So terrified to even admit reading stuff you respond to, it's embarrassing. You're a jerk, but you don't need to be ashamed of that. You can work on being more friendly and try having constructive discussions. Do you even know what the definition of trolling is? You misuse it constantly. You seem to think anyone who disagrees with you on something is just being a troll. Anyone who is skeptical of a reds player or a personnel decision is being a troll. A troll is someone who says stuff to intentionally get a rise out of someone. If someone bumps a thread of something that you said, how is that trolling? I got a rise out of you by discussing something that you said? I do hate and despise you. You are one of the worst people I have ever come across. You are an incredible hypocrite. You believe that everyone should have an opinion as long as it is yours, anyone else is just a horrible person, bitter, old, a jerk, or stupid. I actually went about a year and a half with you blocked, didn't respond to a single thing you said, so that 2% is probably not that far off. I would see your comments in others replies sometimes and I would joke around with them saying its so much more peaceful to have you blocked. This would often make you upset, you would reply something like, "yeah don't listen to other people's opinions, that's the way to go." Yes, I still suffered with getting notifications that you replied to my messages over that period. It was sorta funny how sad it made you, that I wasn't reading or replying to you. Eventually something you said in a reply I saw irked me and I broke down and replied to you again. Maybe I was wrong to go as far as blocking you, but god damn its so much more peaceful. Maybe getting back to my old ways of just reading your first two sentences is a more fair approach. Besides you don't read other peoples posts all the way through, yourself. You are often misquoting people's past beliefs and even start discussing things that have nothing to do with a thread or something someone said. You often combine all anti-Reds subjects and pin them as all Reds fans saying it. I can't tell you how many times you have got on me for hating on Zack Cozart over the years, even though I have never said a bad thing about him. I have always defended the guy. Anything you hear on the banana phone, you make it like all Reds fans say it. You are a very stereotypical person. And if you are the only person I know that thinks I am a jerk, I am doing alright. There are many more people on this board that feel that way about you. Maybe some of the super fans on this board hate me, because I am willing to say things are going bad when they are in fact going bad and they don't want to hear that.. That's fine, I will always be respectful to those who are respectful back to me. I understand where they are coming from because 10 years ago, I thought the Reds could do no wrong, I was a super fan. In fact I was a super Dusty fan at the beginning. I was like man what a track record, order the rings, but then he wore me down more than anyone else ever did, with the way he managed and just his personality. Then I looked back at the talent all of his teams had, and thought maybe this guy was actually underachieving. We had this wonderful window open and just as we placed our fingers on the window sill it was slammed shut. Remembering comical things you say is no more harder than remembering a comical movie line. I may not remember them word for word, but I can do a quick search using that little magnifying glass up there and find the exact quote very easily. Just as I can use that magical google site to get that exact funny line in a movie. But, you are the least respectful person I have met. You don't deserve respect back. You deserve all crud slung in your direction. Because you are just a bad person.
|
|
|
Post by scottscudder on Nov 10, 2016 22:55:33 GMT -5
Respectfully then, HaHaNats, please stop. Not sure why you felt the need to call RFM out, but I don't think this type of banter is what people come to this board for. Everyone makes predictions that turn out wrong. You're not creating anything positive or enjoyable by digging this thread up.
Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by Dustrated on Nov 11, 2016 13:35:12 GMT -5
Respectfully then, HaHaNats, please stop. Not sure why you felt the need to call RFM out, but I don't think this type of banter is what people come to this board for. Everyone makes predications that turn out wrong. You're not creating anything positive or enjoyable by digging this thread up. Thanks. Scotty, you do not know our history. He is a complete ass to anyone who disagrees with him. I have been around him since the early ESPN board days. He has been kicked off of other boards because he simply can't handle others disagreeing with him. I bring threads back like these to point out his incredible hypocrisy. He calls people jerks, bitter old men, and stupid for using certain arguments. Then turns around and uses the same arguments against them in other situations when he sees fit. It is sickening. If you want to do that just because you want to be optimistic about everything Reds, then that's fine. But don't look down on people and be condescending towards them when they don't agree with you. Scott, years and years of that will drive you mad.
|
|
|
Post by scottscudder on Nov 12, 2016 9:14:31 GMT -5
Respectfully then, HaHaNats, please stop. Not sure why you felt the need to call RFM out, but I don't think this type of banter is what people come to this board for. Everyone makes predications that turn out wrong. You're not creating anything positive or enjoyable by digging this thread up. Thanks. Scotty, you do not know our history. He is a complete ass to anyone who disagrees with him. I have been around him since the early ESPN board days. He has been kicked off of other boards because he simply can't handle others disagreeing with him. I bring threads back like these to point out his incredible hypocrisy. He calls people jerks, bitter old men, and stupid for using certain arguments. Then turns around and uses the same arguments against them in other situations when he sees fit. It is sickening. If you want to do that just because you want to be optimistic about everything Reds, then that's fine. But don't look down on people and be condescending towards them when they don't agree with you. Scott, years and years of that will drive you mad. I've been around since the ESPN board days. Regardless of what you think RFM has or has not done in the past (I'm not going to get into that), my point stands that the conversation you've started in this thread, which is intended only as an attack on another member, is not good for this Board. And respectfully, I think you should stop. File a complaint with the moderator if you have an issue. Thanks.
|
|
|
Post by redsfanman on Nov 16, 2016 15:56:13 GMT -5
If you do actually possess intelligence (news to me!) and an incredible memory I suggest using it on more worthwhile causes than trolling people on Cincinnati Reds blogs. Just a thought. You read every word. You even search for my postings to find these. I like discussing them. All that bothers me is that you deny that. You reply to far more than 2% of my posts, and cite far more. I sorta wish you'd admit that you hate and despise me rather than lie to yourself and deny that you read almost everything I post. That's insulting to us both. So terrified to even admit reading stuff you respond to, it's embarrassing. You're a jerk, but you don't need to be ashamed of that. You can work on being more friendly and try having constructive discussions. Do you even know what the definition of trolling is? You misuse it constantly. You seem to think anyone who disagrees with you on something is just being a troll. Anyone who is skeptical of a reds player or a personnel decision is being a troll. A troll is someone who says stuff to intentionally get a rise out of someone. If someone bumps a thread of something that you said, how is that trolling? I got a rise out of you by discussing something that you said? I do hate and despise you. You are one of the worst people I have ever come across. You are an incredible hypocrite. You believe that everyone should have an opinion as long as it is yours, anyone else is just a horrible person, bitter, old, a jerk, or stupid. I actually went about a year and a half with you blocked, didn't respond to a single thing you said, so that 2% is probably not that far off. I would see your comments in others replies sometimes and I would joke around with them saying its so much more peaceful to have you blocked. This would often make you upset, you would reply something like, "yeah don't listen to other people's opinions, that's the way to go." Yes, I still suffered with getting notifications that you replied to my messages over that period. It was sorta funny how sad it made you, that I wasn't reading or replying to you. Eventually something you said in a reply I saw irked me and I broke down and replied to you again. Maybe I was wrong to go as far as blocking you, but god damn its so much more peaceful. Maybe getting back to my old ways of just reading your first two sentences is a more fair approach. Besides you don't read other peoples posts all the way through, yourself. You are often misquoting people's past beliefs and even start discussing things that have nothing to do with a thread or something someone said. You often combine all anti-Reds subjects and pin them as all Reds fans saying it. I can't tell you how many times you have got on me for hating on Zack Cozart over the years, even though I have never said a bad thing about him. I have always defended the guy. Anything you hear on the banana phone, you make it like all Reds fans say it. You are a very stereotypical person. And if you are the only person I know that thinks I am a jerk, I am doing alright. There are many more people on this board that feel that way about you. Maybe some of the super fans on this board hate me, because I am willing to say things are going bad when they are in fact going bad and they don't want to hear that.. That's fine, I will always be respectful to those who are respectful back to me. I understand where they are coming from because 10 years ago, I thought the Reds could do no wrong, I was a super fan. In fact I was a super Dusty fan at the beginning. I was like man what a track record, order the rings, but then he wore me down more than anyone else ever did, with the way he managed and just his personality. Then I looked back at the talent all of his teams had, and thought maybe this guy was actually underachieving. We had this wonderful window open and just as we placed our fingers on the window sill it was slammed shut. Remembering comical things you say is no more harder than remembering a comical movie line. I may not remember them word for word, but I can do a quick search using that little magnifying glass up there and find the exact quote very easily. Just as I can use that magical google site to get that exact funny line in a movie. But, you are the least respectful person I have met. You don't deserve respect back. You deserve all crud slung in your direction. Because you are just a bad person. Ah, pursuing the moral high ground...
|
|