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Post by kinsm on Sept 20, 2014 2:38:54 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath that the new backups will be any better. I never do, but we can almost certainly improve the production from Hannahan's spot... Technically Negron since he was pretty much the fifth bench player for the most PA's this year.
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Post by psuhistory on Sept 20, 2014 8:32:57 GMT -5
I never do, but we can almost certainly improve the production from Hannahan's spot... Technically Negron since he was pretty much the fifth bench player for the most PA's this year. I think he's earned a place in the mix but nothing more; improving the bench means bringing in better hitters to compete for those spots. If Heisey's ability to play all the outfield positions makes him a viable fourth of, I think it puts more pressure on Hannahan's spot to provide a bench bat. Negron hasn't proven that he's much of a threat...
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Post by rocky15231 on Sept 20, 2014 11:06:02 GMT -5
Schumaker is under contract for 2.5M Heisey is arbitration eligible Hannahan is under contract for 4M (or can be bought out for 2M) Pena is under contract for 1.4M
If Negron is to make the team, that would mean the Reds basically have one bench spot to fill, which HAS to be someone who can play SS. Also, if the team chooses to keep Hannahan for 4M instead of cutting him for 2M, there won't even be a bench spot unless someone is DFA'd or traded.
Unfortunately, what we look at NOW (weak SS, weak LF, weak bench IF) are also exactly what will need filled next year. Negron could make it, but he doesn't eliminate any of those roles.
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Post by psuhistory on Sept 20, 2014 12:42:36 GMT -5
I'm more or less assuming that Heisey will be back and that Hannahan and Santiago will leave. In any case, I don't think there's any reason to write these names or Negron's in blood on the 25man roster for next season. That's not improving the team, it's going with the cheap charcoal. If we see that approach during the offseason, then we'll agree that it's not a good sign for 2015...
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Post by vtreds22 on Sept 20, 2014 14:41:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, walstib. I think the Reds go into 2015 with the hope of winning. If they're in contention, they go all-in at the deadline. If not, they sell. I think they'll sell. The Reds were 1.5 games back at the ASB this season and were still within striking distance at the trade deadline and did nothing, what makes you think that it would be any different next season? I think they know they don't have the resources to keep most of the team in tact beyond 2015, so maybe they view next season as the last year of the window and decide to make a run at it. But you're right, doing nothing is Walt's M.O. and a more likely course of action.
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Post by rocky15231 on Sept 20, 2014 16:31:28 GMT -5
I'm more or less assuming that Heisey will be back and that Hannahan and Santiago will leave. In any case, I don't think there's any reason to write these names or Negron's in blood on the 25man roster for next season. That's not improving the team, it's going with the cheap charcoal. If we see that approach during the offseason, then we'll agree that it's not a good sign for 2015... The problem is, they are under contract. The Reds have never shown an aggressiveness in dumping shitty players who are owed guaranteed money, which leads me to believe that like or not, Heisey, Hannahan, Pena and Schumaker WILL be on the 25-man roster. The only way I'd say they wouldn't would be if there were other prospects knocking on the door to come up and snag a bench spot at a cheaper cost, and there AREN'T. This leaves basically 2 possible 25-man spots open for hitters. One, is hopefully a quality corner outfielder, unless of course there is justification to play Heisey in LF due to a financial strap. The other, is someone who can play shortstop, ala, the next Ramon Santiago, Wilson Valdez, Cesar Izturis, Paul Janish, etc. We're almost assuredly going to get a guy who not only sucks, but keeps Cozart as the starting SS. THAT'S why it's a long shot for Negron. NOT because he's not as good as a few of those guys, but because history shows the Reds aren't going to eat 8 million dollars to cut these scrubs and build a new bench.
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Post by psuhistory on Sept 20, 2014 18:02:02 GMT -5
The problem is, they are under contract. Heisey is still under contract, and we could do worse for a fourth outfielder. Santiago is not, and we have an option on Hannahan. We have a decision to make about him, and I'm assuming the Reds won't pick up the option. He's been miserably bad. If I want to make myself miserable, imagining another season of Jack Hannahan (as a deliberate choice on the part of the Reds) isn't a bad start... Given the pitching and defensive strengths, marginal offensive improvement matters, and Jocketty can do something with two open bench spots...
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Post by kinsm on Sept 20, 2014 18:35:22 GMT -5
Schumaker is under contract for 2.5M Heisey is arbitration eligible Hannahan is under contract for 4M (or can be bought out for 2M) Pena is under contract for 1.4M If Negron is to make the team, that would mean the Reds basically have one bench spot to fill, which HAS to be someone who can play SS. Also, if the team chooses to keep Hannahan for 4M instead of cutting him for 2M, there won't even be a bench spot unless someone is DFA'd or traded. Unfortunately, what we look at NOW (weak SS, weak LF, weak bench IF) are also exactly what will need filled next year. Negron could make it, but he doesn't eliminate any of those roles. Hannahan is getting bought out and Heisey is a very likely non-tender.
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Post by psuhistory on Sept 20, 2014 19:39:52 GMT -5
If they don't offer Heisey a contract, in theory that's three open positions on the bench; they can do something offensively with that kind of room to maneuver...
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Post by walstib on Sept 21, 2014 13:21:46 GMT -5
What was a sharing of an article about the wisdom of trading Cueto turned into a free-for-all about the 2015 bench. Why do you guys have such a short attention span? Why not spin the thread off -- addressing the 2015 bench? You guys are just as incoherent as the Red's front office! And, that is saying a lot!
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Post by walstib on Sept 21, 2014 13:38:56 GMT -5
Yeah, thanks for sharing, Walstib. I always want to call you Walter. I'm going to do that for now on, Walter. I always wanted to call you Alan Arkin. I'm going to call you Ralph.
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Post by psuhistory on Sept 21, 2014 16:13:24 GMT -5
What was a sharing of an article about the wisdom of trading Cueto turned into a free-for-all about the 2015 bench. Why do you guys have such a short attention span? Why not spin the thread off -- addressing the 2015 bench? You guys are just as incoherent as the Red's front office! And, that is saying a lot! If you want to direct the discussion, take a bigger role...
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Post by walstib on Sept 28, 2014 10:37:33 GMT -5
I'm merely making an observation Professor. There's no need to scold.
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Post by walstib on Sept 28, 2014 10:49:20 GMT -5
For what it's worth, when any thread goes off on a tangent it makes it difficult to follow. I move on. My attention span is limited.
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Post by kinsm on Sept 28, 2014 12:11:39 GMT -5
Go ahead and trade him, but fire Jocketty first.
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