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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 10, 2014 20:25:26 GMT -5
Yay! So much for Winker being ineligible after being on the DL. The only ones I don't think very highly of who are being sent are Klimesh and Ryan Wright. If Winker, SMB, and Waldrop hit well in the AFL it might make for an interesting spring training. I wonder what role Nick Howard will pitch out of in the AFL, before moving into a rotation next year. Only in his past 3 starts has he been allowed to pitch 3 or more innings. Yorman Rodriguez wasn't selected, seemingly further acknowledgement of his likely September call-up. I'm a little surprised that Phil Ervin wasn't chosen. Who would you move off tje 40 man for seth m-b?
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 10, 2014 22:31:59 GMT -5
Arizona Fall League @mlbazfallleague 8 runs over the 5th and 6th combined for the Sags, now up 10-3…@reds Waldrop and Winker 4-6 HR, 5 RBI combined, @redsox Coyle 2-4, 3B, 2 RBI
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 10, 2014 22:34:13 GMT -5
Nick Howard
3.0 IP, 4 hits, 2 R, 2 ER, 3/0 K/BB
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 10, 2014 22:51:58 GMT -5
Bernie Pleskoff @berniepleskoff #Reds Waldrop's 4th hit of the game just now was a double to right/center. Missed a cycle by the triple.
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 11, 2014 10:09:46 GMT -5
"Reds prospect Kyle Waldrop had a monster night at the plate in Surprise's 14-3 victory over Mesa in the Arizona Fall League on Friday, going 4-for-6 with three RBI and three runs scored. The 22-year-old outfielder has been hammering the ball in his first three games, hitting .533 (8-for-15). He enjoyed a breakout season offensively in 2014, slashing .338/.385/.516 with 14 homers, 67 RBI and 14 stolen bases in 131 games between High-A Bakersfield and Double-A Pensacola. He's expected to begin the 2015 season back at Pensacola, but could push for an opportunity with the Reds should they suffer an injury in the outfield." Source: MILB.comOct 11 - 10:04 AM
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 12:22:40 GMT -5
"Reds prospect Kyle Waldrop had a monster night at the plate in Surprise's 14-3 victory over Mesa in the Arizona Fall League on Friday, going 4-for-6 with three RBI and three runs scored. The 22-year-old outfielder has been hammering the ball in his first three games, hitting .533 (8-for-15). He enjoyed a breakout season offensively in 2014, slashing .338/.385/.516 with 14 homers, 67 RBI and 14 stolen bases in 131 games between High-A Bakersfield and Double-A Pensacola. He's expected to begin the 2015 season back at Pensacola, but could push for an opportunity with the Reds should they suffer an injury in the outfield." Source: MILB.comOct 11 - 10:04 AM I'm wondering why they'd start him in Pensacola as opposed to Louisville? Not as if there is a glut of AAA outfield talent in the Reds system. He has already hit Southern League pitching and in the small sample thusfar in the AFL would appear to be ready for the next challenge.
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Post by flash on Oct 13, 2014 16:42:39 GMT -5
I think the Reds could have some outfield spots open. I can't see them keeping Ludwick or Heisey at the prices there contracts will be.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 15, 2014 10:41:43 GMT -5
Yay! So much for Winker being ineligible after being on the DL. The only ones I don't think very highly of who are being sent are Klimesh and Ryan Wright. If Winker, SMB, and Waldrop hit well in the AFL it might make for an interesting spring training. I wonder what role Nick Howard will pitch out of in the AFL, before moving into a rotation next year. Only in his past 3 starts has he been allowed to pitch 3 or more innings. Yorman Rodriguez wasn't selected, seemingly further acknowledgement of his likely September call-up. I'm a little surprised that Phil Ervin wasn't chosen. Who would you move off tje 40 man for seth m-b? Winker and SMB don't need to be added to the 40 man roster to participate in spring training. As far as whose spot on the 40 man roster they'd have to win, that'll be more clear when the Reds set a 40 man roster to protect guys from the Rule 5 draft, which they haven't done yet. Waldrop, for example, has to be protected. I think Seth Mejias-Brean has another year before he has to be protected. Current 40 man roster members who I'd consider designating for assignment, although in several cases with an interest in resigning them to minor league contracts, include Dylan Axelrod, Trevor Bell, Ryan Dennick, Logan Ondrusek, Curtis Partch, Pedro Villarreal, Jake Elmore, Donald Lutz, Neftali Soto, Jason Bourgeois, and Juan Duran. Some might argue that they'd 'lose' players to other teams, but losing Lutz (who I expect to be the main concern) doesn't seem to me like much of a concern. Ludwick, Hannahan, and Santiago's roster spots open up after the World Series ends. I think they face a big decision on whether to offer Heisey salary arbitration. Anyway, the point is, there are plenty of expendable guys on the 40 man roster, if the Reds need to open a spot. Unfortunately so far Seth Mejias-Brean is having a relatively disappointing AFL, unlike teammates Winker and Waldrop. If things keep up SMB is likely to return to AA, while Winker might get a promotion to Louisville with his Pensacola struggles being attributed to a wrist injury, rather than being overmatched. The pattern in SMB's career has been advancing and hitting well at one level per year, so maybe 2015 is SMB's to hit well at AA. Still, I look forward to seeing what he can do in spring training.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 15, 2014 10:48:47 GMT -5
"Reds prospect Kyle Waldrop had a monster night at the plate in Surprise's 14-3 victory over Mesa in the Arizona Fall League on Friday, going 4-for-6 with three RBI and three runs scored. The 22-year-old outfielder has been hammering the ball in his first three games, hitting .533 (8-for-15). He enjoyed a breakout season offensively in 2014, slashing .338/.385/.516 with 14 homers, 67 RBI and 14 stolen bases in 131 games between High-A Bakersfield and Double-A Pensacola. He's expected to begin the 2015 season back at Pensacola, but could push for an opportunity with the Reds should they suffer an injury in the outfield." Source: MILB.comOct 11 - 10:04 AM I'm wondering why they'd start him in Pensacola as opposed to Louisville? Not as if there is a glut of AAA outfield talent in the Reds system. He has already hit Southern League pitching and in the small sample thusfar in the AFL would appear to be ready for the next challenge. I have a feeling that that MILB.com article's prediction of Waldrop returning to AA was just an outsiders take (a 22 year old who played half a season in AA probably needs more time in AA!). Considering Waldrop's half season (232 ABs) of great success in AA, his early success in the AFL (he'd probably have to do reaaaally badly the rest of the way to offset his early numbers in a league without large sample sizes), and the Reds' desperate need for outfielders (and a backup firstbaseman, which Waldrop has played lately) he is almost certain to start 2015 in Louisville. The chances of Waldrop starting 2015 with the Cincinnati Reds seems very slim, but still greater than the chance of him returning to AA.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 15, 2014 11:02:52 GMT -5
I think the Reds could have some outfield spots open. I can't see them keeping Ludwick or Heisey at the prices there contracts will be. The only things in the Reds' OF for 2015 that don't seem like question marks are that Billy Hamilton, Jay Bruce, and Skip Schumaker will return. At the moment Heisey, Lutz, Bourgeois, and Yorman Rodriguez are without question in the mix. Yorman Rodriguez is sure to remain in the organization, although he seems likely to head to Louisville, with Winker and Waldrop. Heisey is a real candidate to be non-tendered to save some cash, Bourgeois seems totally expendable, and Lutz... yeah. I'm not convinced the Reds ever knew what to do with Lutz. Ludwick is sure to be bought out for several reasons, including that somebody has to be blamed for 2014. I'm sure Walt Jocketty will acquire somebody to play the outfield, whether it's a stopgap like Nori Aoki or what is the big question, and that imminent move should make the whole outfield situation much clearer. Personally I'm hoping for good-fielding-young-OBP-machine Christian Yelich for a veteran pitcher, with Aoki as the fall-back plan.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 15, 2014 18:59:56 GMT -5
I'm wondering why they'd start him in Pensacola as opposed to Louisville? Not as if there is a glut of AAA outfield talent in the Reds system. He has already hit Southern League pitching and in the small sample thusfar in the AFL would appear to be ready for the next challenge. I have a feeling that that MILB.com article's prediction of Waldrop returning to AA was just an outsiders take (a 22 year old who played half a season in AA probably needs more time in AA!). Considering Waldrop's half season (232 ABs) of great success in AA, his early success in the AFL (he'd probably have to do reaaaally badly the rest of the way to offset his early numbers in a league without large sample sizes), and the Reds' desperate need for outfielders (and a backup firstbaseman, which Waldrop has played lately) he is almost certain to start 2015 in Louisville. The chances of Waldrop starting 2015 with the Cincinnati Reds seems very slim, but still greater than the chance of him returning to AA. That's a negative. He should be starting the year in AA, especially if he is moving to 1B full time. There is no need for him to be in AAA to begin the season.
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 15, 2014 20:20:22 GMT -5
I have a feeling that that MILB.com article's prediction of Waldrop returning to AA was just an outsiders take (a 22 year old who played half a season in AA probably needs more time in AA!). Considering Waldrop's half season (232 ABs) of great success in AA, his early success in the AFL (he'd probably have to do reaaaally badly the rest of the way to offset his early numbers in a league without large sample sizes), and the Reds' desperate need for outfielders (and a backup firstbaseman, which Waldrop has played lately) he is almost certain to start 2015 in Louisville. The chances of Waldrop starting 2015 with the Cincinnati Reds seems very slim, but still greater than the chance of him returning to AA. That's a negative. He should be starting the year in AA, especially if he is moving to 1B full time. There is no need for him to be in AAA to begin the season. Why would the Reds move any prospect to 1b full-time?
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Post by Kinsm1 on Oct 15, 2014 21:41:28 GMT -5
That's a negative. He should be starting the year in AA, especially if he is moving to 1B full time. There is no need for him to be in AAA to begin the season. Why would the Reds move any prospect to 1b full-time? Aside from the fact that every minor league club needs a firstbaseman? The Reds don't like his defense in right field and Winker is the left fielder of the future. Sheldon speculated on this exact move just a few weeks ago.
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Post by Lark11 on Oct 15, 2014 23:01:20 GMT -5
Why would the Reds move any prospect to 1b full-time? Aside from the fact that every minor league club needs a firstbaseman? The Reds don't like his defense in right field and Winker is the left fielder of the future. Sheldon speculated on this exact move just a few weeks ago. What does every minor league club needing to have a first baseman have to do with actively shifting a prospect to first base??? Most teams shift prospects to avoid having them be blocked. Evidently the Reds want to shift their prospect to a position where he is blocked. So, that's different. As for Winker, he's 21 years old and, at the very least, a full year away, probably more. He and Lutz, if he actually develops, aren't on the same time frame. I can understand wanting Lutz to add versatility by working at both first base and in left field, that makes sense. That gives you Joey Votto insurance. But, if Votto isn't injured, then first base is blocked for the next 206 years. Moving Lutz to first base full-time would be another baffling development decision.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 16, 2014 4:01:36 GMT -5
Aside from the fact that every minor league club needs a firstbaseman? The Reds don't like his defense in right field and Winker is the left fielder of the future. Sheldon speculated on this exact move just a few weeks ago. What does every minor league club needing to have a first baseman have to do with actively shifting a prospect to first base??? Most teams shift prospects to avoid having them be blocked. Evidently the Reds want to shift their prospect to a position where he is blocked. So, that's different. As for Winker, he's 21 years old and, at the very least, a full year away, probably more. He and Lutz, if he actually develops, aren't on the same time frame. I can understand wanting Lutz to add versatility by working at both first base and in left field, that makes sense. That gives you Joey Votto insurance. But, if Votto isn't injured, then first base is blocked for the next 206 years. Moving Lutz to first base full-time would be another baffling development decision. Who the hell said anything about Lutz? We are talking about Waldrop. Lutz needs to be dfa'd in 2 weeks.
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