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Post by redsfanman on Jun 19, 2014 21:43:07 GMT -5
You are comparing older players production to a younger player's production at similar levels. Do you not see the problem there? I'm comparing players who have put up impressive numbers to one who put up less impressive numbers, that's why he cleared out of the way to make room. As has been mentioned previously, even when Silverio was at SMB's most recently level (Bakersfield) his numbers were nowhere as impressive. Solution? Send Silverio back to Bakersfield, not to Louisville. See if he can put up impressive numbers. With age and experience on his side maybe Silverio will become a .300+ average, .400+ OBP hitter. Maybe when he reaches SMB's age he'll be almost as good a hitter. Although I doubt it. He's never demonstrated an ability to reach either of those goals. |
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 21:53:06 GMT -5
You are comparing older players production to a younger player's production at similar levels. Do you not see the problem there? I'm comparing players who have put up impressive numbers to one who put up less impressive numbers, that's why he cleared out of the way to make room. As has been mentioned previously, even when Silverio was at SMB's most recently level (Bakersfield) his numbers were nowhere as impressive.Solution? Send Silverio back to Bakersfield, not to Louisville. See if he can put up impressive numbers. With age and experience on his side maybe Silverio will become a .300+ average, .400+ OBP hitter. Maybe when he reaches SMB's age he'll be almost as good a hitter. Although I doubt it. He's never demonstrated an ability to reach either of those goals. When Silverio was at SMB's level he was YOUNGER. Please, stop. |
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Post by darryl1757 on Jun 19, 2014 22:09:50 GMT -5
Look I didn't write the article man, I was just giving information out on the subject of Silverio. I don't think there is any doubt he has plenty of tools, but he may never turn them into production. As long as he keeps getting better that's all I care about. here is a scouting report from 2007 when he first signed with the White Sox.
Given the way the White Sox historically have thrown around nickels like they were manhole covers in their pursuit of international players, it speaks highly of Silverio that he was deemed worthy of a $600,000 bonus based on the recommendation of scout Victor Mateo and special assistant Dave Wilder. In trying to restock a position of weakness, Chicago signed two other teenage shortstops from the Dominican, but Alexander Adame and Daurys Mercedes don't have Silverio's ceiling. Silverio shows all five tools at shortstop. He combines a quick bat with upper-body strength, enabling him to drive the ball around the park. He has a strong arm and a quick first step in the infield. He runs well, though he projects more as a Miguel Tejada-type shortstop than a true basestealer. There's still a lot of projection remaining in Silverio's frame, so there's concern he could outgrow shortstop and have to move to third base. His skills are untested because he has yet to make his pro debut, but Chicago was encouraged that he held his own as a 16-year-old in instructional league. Silverio figures to open 2008 in extended spring training, preparing to play at Rookielevel Bristol. The White Sox will need to develop him patiently, but the payoff could be huge. He's already by far the best shortstop prospect in the system.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 19, 2014 22:11:37 GMT -5
I'm comparing players who have put up impressive numbers to one who put up less impressive numbers, that's why he cleared out of the way to make room. As has been mentioned previously, even when Silverio was at SMB's most recently level (Bakersfield) his numbers were nowhere as impressive.Solution? Send Silverio back to Bakersfield, not to Louisville. See if he can put up impressive numbers. With age and experience on his side maybe Silverio will become a .300+ average, .400+ OBP hitter. Maybe when he reaches SMB's age he'll be almost as good a hitter. Although I doubt it. He's never demonstrated an ability to reach either of those goals. When Silverio was at SMB's level he was YOUNGER. Please, stop. That's why I said send Silverio back to Bakersfield. He and SMB were born within a month of each other. See if Silverio can even approach SMB's production in Bakersfield, now that he has plenty of experience against AA pitching. Can he? No, he's not that good. The difference between SMB and Silverio isn't that Silverio is a year ahead of schedule, it's that SMB is a better hitter. And no, I don't think that's a worthwhile experiment, Silverio should be used to fill holes in the organization, not to prove whether age=talent. And yeah, it's getting late. Goodnight, nice chatting with you. I recommend picking up a Silverio jersey from Pensacola, they're probably on sale.  |
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 19, 2014 22:14:08 GMT -5
Look I didn't write the article man, I was just giving information out on the subject of Silverio. I don't think there is any doubt he has plenty of tools, but he may never turn them into production. As long as he keeps getting better that's all I care about. here is a scouting report from 2007 when he first signed with the White Sox. Given the way the White Sox historically have thrown around nickels like they were manhole covers in their pursuit of international players, it speaks highly of Silverio that he was deemed worthy of a $600,000 bonus based on the recommendation of scout Victor Mateo and special assistant Dave Wilder. In trying to restock a position of weakness, Chicago signed two other teenage shortstops from the Dominican, but Alexander Adame and Daurys Mercedes don't have Silverio's ceiling. Silverio shows all five tools at shortstop. He combines a quick bat with upper-body strength, enabling him to drive the ball around the park. He has a strong arm and a quick first step in the infield. He runs well, though he projects more as a Miguel Tejada-type shortstop than a true basestealer. There's still a lot of projection remaining in Silverio's frame, so there's concern he could outgrow shortstop and have to move to third base. His skills are untested because he has yet to make his pro debut, but Chicago was encouraged that he held his own as a 16-year-old in instructional league. Silverio figures to open 2008 in extended spring training, preparing to play at Rookielevel Bristol. The White Sox will need to develop him patiently, but the payoff could be huge. He's already by far the best shortstop prospect in the system. I didn't intend to suggest that you were responsible for the article, sorry if I gave you that impression if I did. But I thought it was a silly article that contradicts itself. Far worse than I expect from CTrent. |
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Post by mackenzie45220 on Jun 21, 2014 9:50:47 GMT -5
I never knew much about Seth Mejias-Brean, and it's hard to find good information about him as he's under the radar. I didn't consider him a real prospect until, like, now, in part because of his age. Last year I wondered if his success in Dayton was a fluke, but it looks like it wasn't. I worried that his walks would decrease against better pitchers, but instead he's been walking more and striking out less. His 11 homeruns in 267 ABs, after hitting 11 in 492 ABs last year, looks like a big improvement, which gives reason to be optimistic. I really hope he keeps it up in AA. Since he plays both 3b and 1b he might be the next super utility player (like Todd Frazier when he was first promoted) if not a starting thirdbaseman (like Todd Frazier, you know, now). In a year or two the team might not need guys like Neftali Soto, Brayan Pena, Ramon Santiago, and Jack Hannahan to man a corner infield spot. I feel like that it's more likely Frazier moves to left field if Mejias Brean ever becomes a starter on the big league team... I've heard nothing but good things about his arm and defense at third, but he has no experience in the outfield, and Frazier could probably be an average or better defender in left field |
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Post by mackenzie45220 on Jun 21, 2014 9:51:51 GMT -5
I'm disappointed not to see Juan Silva among the promotions
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 21, 2014 12:24:49 GMT -5
I never knew much about Seth Mejias-Brean, and it's hard to find good information about him as he's under the radar. I didn't consider him a real prospect until, like, now, in part because of his age. Last year I wondered if his success in Dayton was a fluke, but it looks like it wasn't. I worried that his walks would decrease against better pitchers, but instead he's been walking more and striking out less. His 11 homeruns in 267 ABs, after hitting 11 in 492 ABs last year, looks like a big improvement, which gives reason to be optimistic. I really hope he keeps it up in AA. Since he plays both 3b and 1b he might be the next super utility player (like Todd Frazier when he was first promoted) if not a starting thirdbaseman (like Todd Frazier, you know, now). In a year or two the team might not need guys like Neftali Soto, Brayan Pena, Ramon Santiago, and Jack Hannahan to man a corner infield spot. I feel like that it's more likely Frazier moves to left field if Mejias Brean ever becomes a starter on the big league team... I've heard nothing but good things about his arm and defense at third, but he has no experience in the outfield, and Frazier could probably be an average or better defender in left field Good point. Or I believe in Frazier's ability to quickly re-learn how to play 2b if the Reds need a long term replacement for Phillips. Frazier has plenty of options/uses and it's his good defense and lack of an alternative thirdbaseman that has kept him at third, rather than (Rolen-esq) lack of versatility. It seems likely that SMB and Winker would be promoted around the same time, rather than years apart, so who knows if LF will even be open if/when SMB joins the Reds. |
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 24, 2014 11:28:00 GMT -5
Pull it together Winker (3/16), Waldrop (3/13), SMB (2/11), and Wright (0/17)! Although Winker has 6 walks already and SMB has 8, so both have impressive OBPs in AA. Small sample size alert.
Ben Lively gave up 3 hits, 5 BB, and 3 runs in 3 innings in his first start, albeit getting 8 of 9 outs through strikeouts.
'Reinforcements' SHOULD make Pensacola better.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 25, 2014 11:48:10 GMT -5
Take me out to the Blue Wahoos Game... C Rossmel Perez/Chris Berset 1b Marquez Smith (age 28) 2b Ryan Wright (age 24) 3b Seth Meijas-Brean (age 23) SS Devin Lohman (age 25) LF Jesse Winker (age 20) CF Yorman Rodriguez (age 21) RF Kyle Waldrop (age 22) DH Juan Duran (age 22) Rotation: Robert Stephenson (age 21) Mike Lorenzen (age 22) Ben Lively (age 22) Jon Moscot (age 22) Daniel Corcino (age 23) Bullpen: Carlos Contreras (age 23) Carlos Gonzalez (age 24) Now that's a team worth paying money to see. Weak points in the roster seem to include the catcher, shortstop, and raw-tools guys whose talent hasn't translated directly into great success yet... I'm looking at Juan Duran, Yorman Rodriguez, and Daniel Corcino. Marquez Smith isn't a real prospect but he's been an excellent hitter in Bakersfield. Yeah, I am almost more excited for our AA team than I am our major league team. What a rotation, and what a lineup now! That team is going to win its league by 7 games or more I bet. That team is stacked. |
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 25, 2014 14:04:23 GMT -5
mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cin/pipeline-perspectives-reds-double-a-rotation-best-in-minor-leagues?ymd=20140625&content_id=81365250&vkey=news_cinPipeline Perspectives: Reds have Minors' best rotation Starting five for Double-A Pensacola loaded with potential future stars for Cincinnati By Jonathan Mayo 6/25/2014 10:00 A.M. ET Every Major League organization makes a strong effort to develop pitching from within. That pitching can be used to help out the big league club -- the Cardinals called up 2013 first-round pick Marco Gonzales this week to make his Major League debut -- or used in trades to make the club better. Typically, even an organization that is rich in pitching has its arms spread throughout the system. Sometimes, though, the talent gets stacked up in one place, leading to an exciting prospect-laden rotation for one Minor League team. That's what Jim Callis and I are tossing around in this week's Pipeline Perspectives: Which Minor League rotation do we believe is the most talented? Jim decided to champion the Astros' troubled yet extremely talented staff in Lancaster of the Class A Advanced California League. While the Cincinnati Reds don't have quite as deep of a farm system as the Astros, I do think that their rotation in Double-A Pensacola trumps the JetHawks staff that Jim loves. The Blue Wahoos' starting five -- yes, that's the team's name -- doesn't have as many Top 100 prospects as Lancaster does, but all five starters are in the Reds' Top 20. You'd be hard-pressed to find another Minor League rotation that can claim that. It all starts with Robert Stephenson, ranked No. 16 on the overall Top 100 list. The Reds' top prospect is headed to next month's Futures Game, and with good reason. I'd put him up against just about any right-handed pitching prospect in the game in terms of his electric pure stuff and upside. Stephenson's fastball-curveball combination is as good as it gets in the Minors, and his changeup gives him a third Major League-average-or-better offering. He misses a lot of bats -- 10.1 strikeouts per nine innings in his career -- and he profiles as a top-of-the-rotation type. And he's pitching all year in Double-A at age 21. While Stephenson is the only Top 100 guy in Pensacola's rotation, there are plenty more intriguing arms. It wouldn't surprise me if Michael Lorenzen, Cincinnati's first-round pick from 2013, ends up on that list at some point. Lorenzen was a closer and center fielder at Cal State-Fullerton, and he is focusing on pitching full-time for the first time. Lorenzen is also learning how to be a starter for the first time. You'd think the Reds would start him off slowly, and at a lower level, but no. Lorenzen showed he was ready for a challenge, and he's been up for it during his first full season. His 2.61 ERA is third-lowest in the Southern League. Lorenzen is not missing a lot of bats, but he is getting a lot of ground balls, with a 1.77 groundout-to-flyout ratio. Considering he's still learning how to be a starter and is developing a third pitch, you have to believe he has a lot of upside. The one "weak" link in the rotation is Daniel Corcino, if only because he pitched at this level in 2012, then was in Triple-A a year ago, only to have to return to Double-A. Still, he's only 23, an age that would be acceptable at this level if he hadn't taken a step back. Ben Lively recently joined Pensacola's rotation and had a bit of a rude introduction in his first start on Monday. But he's really put himself more firmly on the prospect map with his pitching in the California League, a hitter-friendly environment. At the time of his promotion, Lively led the Cal League in wins and strikeouts and was second in ERA. He joined Lorenzen as the second 2013 draftee (he was a fourth-rounder) in the Blue Wahoo's rotation. Honestly, that quartet would be enough to make a good argument. But the staff goes five deep. Jon Moscot, No. 20 on Cincinnati's top prospects list, has kind of been flying under the radar with guys like Stephenson and Lorenzen as rotation-mates. But the 2012 fourth-rounder, who led the organization in strikeouts last year, has been pitching very well. His 2.82 ERA is fifth on the Southern League leaderboard, two spots behind Lorenzen. What excites me, and should get Reds fans pumped up, is that this rotation is an outstanding mix of upside and production. All five starters are performing well, and the fact that they are doing so in Double-A bodes well for the future of the pitching staff in Cincinnati.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jun 27, 2014 13:08:53 GMT -5
I was at a point once where I liked how easily Frazier could move around, how he was smart and a jack of all trades and could play nearly any position. With that said, he is one of the best 3rd baseman in the league right now. He is like 2nd in HR's, near t he top of third baseman in RBI's and he is maybe one of the best defensive fielding 3rd basemen in the league. Move Brean to 2nd if necessary. He is only at AA, he has plenty of time to adjust to a new position. I honestly know little to nothign about Brean, don't even know his size or speed, so maybe he is not a good candidate for 2nd, but I wouldn't be moving Frazier at this point unless it was to 1st base with a traded Joey Votto. Of course Votto would reject anything but Toronto, Toronto has Encarnacion, and no one wants his salary. So I think Frazier and Votto are good where they are at.
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Post by floydgator on Jun 30, 2014 9:30:12 GMT -5
Lively pitched 5.2 shutout innings over the weekend.
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Post by flash on Jul 8, 2014 22:57:30 GMT -5
I really fail to see how anyone thinks this Pensacola club is any good. They haven't been out of the cellar all year. Same story last year. Are the Reds even interested in being there. Seems like all they do is throw garbage on the field. I don't see why anyone would pay to see them.
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Post by redsfanman on Jul 9, 2014 9:21:55 GMT -5
I really fail to see how anyone thinks this Pensacola club is any good. They haven't been out of the cellar all year. Same story last year. Are the Reds even interested in being there. Seems like all they do is throw garbage on the field. I don't see why anyone would pay to see them. I don't think I or anybody else said the Pensacola team would put up a good win-loss record or anything like that (or really cares about the win-loss record), especially before all the midseason callups made it a better team. It is, however, the team to see in the Reds organization if you want to see as many highly regarded prospects as possible. Minor league games are about player development, not winning. Corcino, Carlos Gonzalez, Lively, Lorenzen, Moscot, Stephenson, Seth Mejias-Brean, Ryan Wright, Kyle Waldrop, Yorman Rodriguez, Juan Duran, and Jesse Winker might all (with significantly differing degrees of probability) play for the Reds some day. That's not garbage, it's some of the Reds' most interesting prospects. A team filled with... filler... now that's garbage. On the Single A teams and AAA Louisville you're lucky to find more than 2 or 3 interesting prospects. The All Star Futures Game players (which I'll certainly watch) were recently named, and it was no surprise that both are currently Pensacola players. Most other candidates from the organization if Winker and Stephenson were unavailable are their Blue Wahoos teammates. Louisville has (or will soon have) Tucker Barnhart, Christiani, Partch, Soto, and Lutz... and a winning record (48-44), but I wouldn't pay to see that team. Are the Reds interested in their organization remaining in Pensacola? As far as I can tell. Maybe you're thinking of the Single A Bakersfield Blaze and Sam Lynn Ballpark (opened 1941), which the Reds are clearly trying to move away from. |
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