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Post by flash on Jun 19, 2014 16:53:33 GMT -5
I am somewhat intrigued by Selsky. He has done okay at each level. Little drop last year when he went to Pensacola. What is the story on him. He is not a top 20 prospect.
Sorry to see Perez go down last night. Hope he will be all right.
With Perez and Selsky available I cannot see Heisey or Bernadina keeping their jobs next year.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 18:58:07 GMT -5
I am somewhat intrigued by Selsky. He has done okay at each level. Little drop last year when he went to Pensacola. What is the story on him. He is not a top 20 prospect. Sorry to see Perez go down last night. Hope he will be all right. With Perez and Selsky available I cannot see Heisey or Bernadina keeping their jobs next year. Odds are neither Perez nor Selsky ever see the majors, they are minor league filler for the Reds. Bernadina may not make it through the year.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 19:04:46 GMT -5
Silverio turned 23 years old two months ago (two years younger than his average competition at AA (actually younger than Mejias)), he's taking over the starting 3Bman spot in AAA. The average age of a AAA player is over 27. He was bad in 2012, but has played very well since then. If he can become more selective at the plate the Reds may actually get some use out of Cody Puckett. Don't be shocked if he's added to the 40 man roster this fall - since he'll be a six year minor league free agent. Soto is burning his final option year, he's done as a Red come November. Despite Silverio being younger than SMB, in my opinion Silverio really needs to improve his numbers (from a ~.305 OBP in the past two years) if he wants to be a MLB player, while SMB simply needs to not get drastically worse at a higher level. I'm sure Silverio has played fine, but little about him seems to stand out. Respectable average (in A and AA), mediocre OBP, too few walks, striking out 4x (this year) and 10x (last year) as much as he walks... that kinda stuff. His 9 homeruns stand out but I've seen plenty of Reds prospects with the homerun-hitting talent who flat out couldn't hit, and Silverio's numbers imply, to me, another. Just with less notable power than guys like Wily Mo Pena and Juan Francisco. I suppose I'm more supportive of guys who put up unexplainable or unexpected success (perhaps think Cingrani and Frazier) than guys with raw skills that don't translate into success (Yorman Rodriguez comes to mind). SMB might fit into the first category, and at best Silverio seems to fit into the second. If Silverio doesn't become a Reds player this year I doubt he ever will. His other challenger with a heads up on a 40 man roster spot (despite being on the 60 day DL), Jack Hannahan, seems close to starting rehab. Unpopular though Soto and Hannahan may be, has Silverio done anything to distinguish himself or take a job away from either guy? No, in my opinion. So since he isn't walking at a .350 clip as a 23 year old in AAA he sucks? His K/PA is just fine. You do realize that a 40 man spot does not mean a 25 man spot. And obviously since he's about to be a FA, if not added this year then never. Hannahan is going to be bought out this winter.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 19:17:09 GMT -5
What do you want to know about him? BaseballAmerica ranked him the #21 prospect in the Reds organization entering the season. He was a 3 year starter at Arizona where he had an outstanding eye but showed little power (all Pac-12 his Junior year). Due to that he fell to the 8th round of the 2012 draft and signed for slot. The Reds have since babied him and let him play against younger competition. Finally, this year he's showing some power though keep in mind he plays in one of the most homer friendly ballparks and leagues for that matter in the minors. At AA we may finally find out if he has the power to start at the big league level some day. What do I want to know about SMB?What's his upside and floor? What kind of power can we actually expect from him? What explanation, if any, is there for his increased homerun power this year? Do scouts think he can keep his good walk:strikeout ratio into MLB? Should he be looked at as a starter or utility player? Does his approach seem likely to translate into MLB success (like continuing his ~.300 averages and ~.390 OBP), or is there some drastic flaw in his approach that dooms him to be a career minor leaguer? What is there for him to improve on? What players should he be compared to? That kinda stuff... basically everything Lark typically covers in his scouting reports that goes beyond raw statistics and and lists of accomplishments. His ceiling is that of Frazier (with more BB/H, less HR), his floor is that of 100,000 prospects who never made the majors. I've already answered the increased power question - could be the park/league. He has a good eye, that usually doesn't go away. Until he falls on his face he should still be considered a potential starter. He has no holes in his swing or wonky mechanics, he hits both R/L fairly well. He is a good defender and all around top athlete, playing 3 varsity sports in highschool. He needs to prove he can hit for power against elite pitchers of the same age or older - again the Reds have been very slow with him.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 19, 2014 20:11:59 GMT -5
Despite Silverio being younger than SMB, in my opinion Silverio really needs to improve his numbers (from a ~.305 OBP in the past two years) if he wants to be a MLB player, while SMB simply needs to not get drastically worse at a higher level. I'm sure Silverio has played fine, but little about him seems to stand out. Respectable average (in A and AA), mediocre OBP, too few walks, striking out 4x (this year) and 10x (last year) as much as he walks... that kinda stuff. His 9 homeruns stand out but I've seen plenty of Reds prospects with the homerun-hitting talent who flat out couldn't hit, and Silverio's numbers imply, to me, another. Just with less notable power than guys like Wily Mo Pena and Juan Francisco. I suppose I'm more supportive of guys who put up unexplainable or unexpected success (perhaps think Cingrani and Frazier) than guys with raw skills that don't translate into success (Yorman Rodriguez comes to mind). SMB might fit into the first category, and at best Silverio seems to fit into the second. If Silverio doesn't become a Reds player this year I doubt he ever will. His other challenger with a heads up on a 40 man roster spot (despite being on the 60 day DL), Jack Hannahan, seems close to starting rehab. Unpopular though Soto and Hannahan may be, has Silverio done anything to distinguish himself or take a job away from either guy? No, in my opinion. So since he isn't walking at a .350 clip as a 23 year old in AAA he sucks? His K/PA is just fine. You do realize that a 40 man spot does not mean a 25 man spot. And obviously since he's about to be a FA, if not added this year then never. Hannahan is going to be bought out this winter. He's not hitting or walking at an impressive rate, combining for an unimpressive OBP in AA. Not promising. When searching for positives I find few. 9 homeruns and 11 doubles, that's all I can come up with. Everything else on his stat sheet has a red flag over it. In Silverio I see Henry Rodriguez, who got cut. True, 40 man roster spot doesn't mean 25 man spot, but 40 man spot means a guy has an increased likelihood of being promoted. Look at Jumbo Diaz, on the outside looking in. Silverio has yet to be added to the 40 man roster, and (as demonstrated by Diaz) that's a tougher challenge to overcome than some people might want to admit. Yeah yeah, Hannahan (most likely) won't be back next year, I expect they'll bring in a comparable replacement. Silverio seems likely to be a ways down on the list of candidates. What is less popular than mediocre veteran utility players? Prospects who can't get on base enough in AA getting undeserved playing time...
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Post by darryl1757 on Jun 19, 2014 20:19:05 GMT -5
What do I want to know about SMB?What's his upside and floor? What kind of power can we actually expect from him? What explanation, if any, is there for his increased homerun power this year? Do scouts think he can keep his good walk:strikeout ratio into MLB? Should he be looked at as a starter or utility player? Does his approach seem likely to translate into MLB success (like continuing his ~.300 averages and ~.390 OBP), or is there some drastic flaw in his approach that dooms him to be a career minor leaguer? What is there for him to improve on? What players should he be compared to? That kinda stuff... basically everything Lark typically covers in his scouting reports that goes beyond raw statistics and and lists of accomplishments. His ceiling is that of Frazier (with more BB/H, less HR), his floor is that of 100,000 prospects who never made the majors. I've already answered the increased power question - could be the park/league. He has a good eye, that usually doesn't go away. Until he falls on his face he should still be considered a potential starter. He has no holes in his swing or wonky mechanics, he hits both R/L fairly well. He is a good defender and all around top athlete, playing 3 varsity sports in highschool. He needs to prove he can hit for power against elite pitchers of the same age or older - again the Reds have been very slow with him. When I see SMB I see a player in the Chase Headley mold. Good D, plate discipline, and decent power. I'll take that all day. As far as Selsky, I see him as someone more valuable than a minor league filler. I think he is a 4th outfielder type (apparently has enough arm for right, and decent range), who can also play 1st base, he has above average iso power numbers (.176) and bb (9.5%)rates throughout his career.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 20:37:51 GMT -5
So since he isn't walking at a .350 clip as a 23 year old in AAA he sucks? His K/PA is just fine. You do realize that a 40 man spot does not mean a 25 man spot. And obviously since he's about to be a FA, if not added this year then never. Hannahan is going to be bought out this winter. He's not hitting or walking at an impressive rate, combining for an unimpressive OBP in AA. Not promising. When searching for positives I find few. 9 homeruns and 11 doubles, that's all I can come up with. Everything else on his stat sheet has a red flag over it. In Silverio I see Henry Rodriguez, who got cut. True, 40 man roster spot doesn't mean 25 man spot, but 40 man spot means a guy has an increased likelihood of being promoted. Look at Jumbo Diaz, on the outside looking in. Silverio has yet to be added to the 40 man roster, and (as demonstrated by Diaz) that's a tougher challenge to overcome than some people might want to admit. Yeah yeah, Hannahan (most likely) won't be back next year, I expect they'll bring in a comparable replacement. Silverio seems likely to be a ways down on the list of candidates. What is less popular than mediocre veteran utility players? Prospects who can't get on base enough in AA getting undeserved playing time... Hitting .274 against 25/26/27 year olds is not "hitting at an impressive rate"? Silverio and Diaz are not comparable in the least. They haven't had to protect Silverio from Rule V or from impending free agency. Diaz is 30! Again, madfan I didn't say he'd be replacing Hannahan next year - now did I?
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 20:41:07 GMT -5
His ceiling is that of Frazier (with more BB/H, less HR), his floor is that of 100,000 prospects who never made the majors. I've already answered the increased power question - could be the park/league. He has a good eye, that usually doesn't go away. Until he falls on his face he should still be considered a potential starter. He has no holes in his swing or wonky mechanics, he hits both R/L fairly well. He is a good defender and all around top athlete, playing 3 varsity sports in highschool. He needs to prove he can hit for power against elite pitchers of the same age or older - again the Reds have been very slow with him. When I see SMB I see a player in the Chase Headley mold. Good D, plate discipline, and decent power. I'll take that all day. As far as Selsky, I see him as someone more valuable than a minor league filler. I think he is a 4th outfielder type (apparently has enough arm for right, and decent range), who can also play 1st base, he has above average iso power numbers (.176) and bb (9.5%)rates throughout his career. Selsky probably won't be an everyday player in AAA, that screams filler. A .367 SLG is not going to get him to the majors. The Reds have invested little in him - which allows them to bounce him up and down at will to fill roster voids.
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Post by darryl1757 on Jun 19, 2014 20:55:33 GMT -5
When searching for positives I find few. 9 homeruns and 11 doubles, that's all I can come up with. Everything else on his stat sheet has a red flag over it. In Silverio I see Henry Rodriguez, who got cut.
True, 40 man roster spot doesn't mean 25 man spot, but 40 man spot means a guy has an increased likelihood of being promoted. Look at Jumbo Diaz, on the outside looking in. Silverio has yet to be added to the 40 man roster, and (as demonstrated by Diaz) that's a tougher challenge to overcome than some people might want to admit.
Yeah yeah, Hannahan (most likely) won't be back next year, I expect they'll bring in a comparable replacement. Silverio seems likely to be a ways down on the list of candidates. What is less popular than mediocre veteran utility players? Prospects who can't get on base enough in AA getting undeserved playing time... [/quote]
He is supposed to have really good defensive capabilities at 3rd. Was rated as best defensive 3rd baseman in high A leagues in 2013. That being said I'm not a fan of his aggressive approach either, but apparently he is working on it. Here is a article on baseball america about him
.Silverio Learning To Take A Walk June 3, 2014 by C. Trent Rosecrans
CINCINNATI—Eight walks in 183 plate appearances doesn’t sound like a lot, but it’s been welcome progress for Double-A Pensacola third baseman Juan Silverio.
Last season he walked just 11 times in 531 trips to the plate at high Class A Bakersfield, so in that regard he had made progress.
In his second season with the Reds after being purchased from the White Sox in March 2013, Silverio continued to show modest power, which is impressive considering his home last year in Bakersfield was among the most hitter-friendly in the minors.
“Those are two kind of polar opposite leagues,” director of player development Jeff Graupe said. “He’s done a really nice job.”
Last year at Bakersfield, Silverio slugged .473 with 19 home runs and 80 RBIs in 126 games. Through 50 games with the Blue Wahoos this season, he hit .272/.309/.456 with seven homers and 16 RBIs.
A lot of the power, Graupe believes, comes from Silverio’s new approach at the plate, which includes waiting on a pitch to drive, which leads to more walks.
“What you’re seeing is that by letting himself get in better hitter’s counts and situations, he’s getting to his raw power more often,” Graupe said.
This offseason, the Reds invited the 23-year-old Dominican to their advanced instructional league to work on his plate discipline.
“Our hitting coordinator Ryan Jackson spent a lot of time with (Silverio) on plate discipline and pitch selection,” Graupe said. “Those are areas that are tough to completely turn over in one year, but he’s already showing great progress.
“Basically we had a conversation with him, (telling him that) increasing walks and cutting down strikeouts would eventually help raise his batting average. We put it in terms that each guy needs to hear differently and that seemed to click with him.”
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Post by darryl1757 on Jun 19, 2014 21:12:53 GMT -5
When I see SMB I see a player in the Chase Headley mold. Good D, plate discipline, and decent power. I'll take that all day. As far as Selsky, I see him as someone more valuable than a minor league filler. I think he is a 4th outfielder type (apparently has enough arm for right, and decent range), who can also play 1st base, he has above average iso power numbers (.176) and bb (9.5%)rates throughout his career. Selsky probably won't be an everyday player in AAA, that screams filler. A .367 SLG is not going to get him to the majors. The Reds have invested little in him - which allows them to bounce him up and down at will to fill roster voids. The only time they have bumped him down is when he struggled at AA last year, other than that he hasn't been used as any sort of filler. Yes his slugging has struggled in Pensacola, but many hitters struggle to hit for power there. He also overachieved in Bakersfield as most do, slugging .557 over 2 years in just over 700 plate app. I don't believe he is a .367 slugger or .557 slugger but i see somewhere between .400 and .450 as a possibility. Again I don't think he will ever be a everyday player but I think he makes a major league roster one day with his versatility and ability to get on base. But, the reds have never used him as a roster filler at any point and time in his time with them.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 21:19:25 GMT -5
I suppose that depends on your definition of roster filler, to me collegiate players signed for less than 100K$ drafted in the 33rd round automatically assume the role of "filler".
It'll be interesting to see how his playing time is divvied up now that he's on the LOU roster.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 19, 2014 21:30:38 GMT -5
He's not hitting or walking at an impressive rate, combining for an unimpressive OBP in AA. Not promising. When searching for positives I find few. 9 homeruns and 11 doubles, that's all I can come up with. Everything else on his stat sheet has a red flag over it. In Silverio I see Henry Rodriguez, who got cut. Hitting .274 against 25/26/27 year olds is not "hitting at an impressive rate"?Silverio and Diaz are not comparable in the least. They haven't had to protect Silverio from Rule V or from impending free agency. Diaz is 30! Again, madfan I didn't say he'd be replacing Hannahan next year - now did I? .274 in AA isn't exactly knocking the cover off the ball or competing for a batting title. It's not screaming 'promote me to the next level, I'm better than this!' It's not Lutz with his .360 average in AA. Compare that to other guys who were just promoted out of Bakersfield with averages of .300 (SMB), .311 (Wright), and .317 (Winker). SMB and Winker also had OBPs nearly 100 points higher than their average, while Silverio shows no skill for taking walks. Silverio ONLY deserved to be promoted because they needed to give his position to better players, and they needed to replace Chris Nelson at AAA. Hitting .274 was merely enough for the Reds to keep Silverio in the organization, and playing everyday, but I doubt it moved him up anybody's rankings. Again, Henry Rodriguez hit .274 last year with a .319 OBP, and the Reds didn't think he was worth keeping in the organization. Should the Reds add Silverio to the 40 man roster next year to protect him from the Rule 5 draft? I don't think so. If they lose him, fine.
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 21:32:51 GMT -5
You are comparing older players production to a younger player's production at similar levels. Do you not see the problem there?
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Post by kinsm on Jun 19, 2014 21:34:51 GMT -5
Ryan Wright by the way played 3 years of D1 baseball and has been in A+ for nearly 200 games - he should be hitting at that level.
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Post by redsfanman on Jun 19, 2014 21:38:48 GMT -5
When searching for positives I find few. 9 homeruns and 11 doubles, that's all I can come up with. Everything else on his stat sheet has a red flag over it. In Silverio I see Henry Rodriguez, who got cut. True, 40 man roster spot doesn't mean 25 man spot, but 40 man spot means a guy has an increased likelihood of being promoted. Look at Jumbo Diaz, on the outside looking in. Silverio has yet to be added to the 40 man roster, and (as demonstrated by Diaz) that's a tougher challenge to overcome than some people might want to admit. Yeah yeah, Hannahan (most likely) won't be back next year, I expect they'll bring in a comparable replacement. Silverio seems likely to be a ways down on the list of candidates. What is less popular than mediocre veteran utility players? Prospects who can't get on base enough in AA getting undeserved playing time... He is supposed to have really good defensive capabilities at 3rd. Was rated as best defensive 3rd baseman in high A leagues in 2013. That being said I'm not a fan of his aggressive approach either, but apparently he is working on it. Here is a article on baseball america about him .Silverio Learning To Take A Walk June 3, 2014 by C. Trent Rosecrans CINCINNATI— Eight walks in 183 plate appearances doesn’t sound like a lot, but it’s been welcome progress for Double-A Pensacola third baseman Juan Silverio. Last season he walked just 11 times in 531 trips to the plate at high Class A Bakersfield, so in that regard he had made progress. In his second season with the Reds after being purchased from the White Sox in March 2013, Silverio continued to show modest power, which is impressive considering his home last year in Bakersfield was among the most hitter-friendly in the minors. “Those are two kind of polar opposite leagues,” director of player development Jeff Graupe said. “He’s done a really nice job.” Last year at Bakersfield, Silverio slugged .473 with 19 home runs and 80 RBIs in 126 games. Through 50 games with the Blue Wahoos this season, he hit .272/.309/.456 with seven homers and 16 RBIs. A lot of the power, Graupe believes, comes from Silverio’s new approach at the plate, which includes waiting on a pitch to drive, which leads to more walks. “What you’re seeing is that by letting himself get in better hitter’s counts and situations, he’s getting to his raw power more often,” Graupe said. This offseason, the Reds invited the 23-year-old Dominican to their advanced instructional league to work on his plate discipline. “Our hitting coordinator Ryan Jackson spent a lot of time with (Silverio) on plate discipline and pitch selection,” Graupe said. “Those are areas that are tough to completely turn over in one year, but he’s already showing great progress.
“Basically we had a conversation with him, (telling him that) increasing walks and cutting down strikeouts would eventually help raise his batting average. We put it in terms that each guy needs to hear differently and that seemed to click with him.”[/quote] ---------- "Eight walks in 183 plate appearances doesn’t sound like a lot" -- THAT'S BECAUSE IT ISN'T. 10 walks in 222 ABs this year being an improvement worthy of an article and interviews with the Director of Player Development (and related praise) sorta backfires by showing how drastic the problem is... Silverio is tied for 10th on the AA team (that he just left) for most walks. Two catchers on the team have at least as many walks. This is a guy who's improved his ability to take walks? Geez.
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