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Post by psuhistory on Mar 22, 2014 11:29:02 GMT -5
Apologies to DCB for posting this before the previous question closed...
I received MVP consideration playing for the Reds and also played on two teams faced by the Reds in the World Series...
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 22, 2014 23:28:05 GMT -5
Before I joined the Reds, I played for two franchises that would later face the Reds in the Series...
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 23, 2014 11:43:03 GMT -5
Some would say that I had a lethal flair for my craft...
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Mar 24, 2014 8:31:30 GMT -5
Can I ask for a clarification?
Do you mean he played specifically for say, the 1919 Indians & the 1990 A's, not just generically at some time afterwards the Indians and A's?
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 24, 2014 10:34:59 GMT -5
Can I ask for a clarification? Do you mean he played specifically for say, the 1919 Indians & the 1990 A's, not just generically at some time afterwards the Indians and A's? Sure, and I'll add another hint. I did not play against the Reds in the World Series. I played in the WS for franchises that the Reds (in one case much) later played against in the Series. I joined the Reds after my WS experience and was good enough to receive MVP consideration while playing for them... |
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 24, 2014 10:40:02 GMT -5
Yeah, the second hint wasn't very helpful. I'll try to fix it...
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Post by rufralf on Mar 24, 2014 12:57:17 GMT -5
Before I joined the Reds, I played for two franchises that would later face the Reds in the Series... |
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Post by rufralf on Mar 24, 2014 12:58:58 GMT -5
Jose Rijo. Played for Athletics and Yankees before playing for the Reds.
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 24, 2014 13:52:50 GMT -5
That's a great guess, Rufralf, Rijo also received MVP consideration in 1990 and in 1993. But he didn't pitch in the WS for either the Yankees (1984, 24 games) or the As (1985-1987, 72 games), and the Reds didn't face the Yankees in the Series after Rijo's arrival in Cincy. Still, great answer...
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Mar 24, 2014 14:44:30 GMT -5
Based on the lethal comment, I'm guessing Carl Mays.
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 24, 2014 15:13:47 GMT -5
Based on the lethal comment, I'm guessing Carl Mays. Yes, great job, DCB. Mays played for the Boston Red Sox from 1915 to 1919, when he left one of his games and kept on walking, eventually demanding a trade because he wasn't receiving any run support. He pitched for the Yankees from 1919 until 1923, pitching 336.2 innings in 1921 for a pennant-winner and playing a part in the first Yankee run that culminated in the 1923 WS championship. The Reds bought him for the 1924 season, and he pitched on some good but not great Reds teams between 1924 and 1928, including a 19-12/3.14/1.206 line in 281 innings for the 1926 team that finished second by two games to the eventual WS champion Cardinals. This was Mays' last fine season and garnered some modest MVP consideration… Mays pitched in the 1916 and 1918 Series for the Red Sox, and in the 1921 and 1922 Series for the Yankees. Never a loved man, with a reputation for pitching close to batters--Ty Cobb once threw his bat at him--Mays was not a particularly hard-thrower or strikeout pitcher, a sad irony of his role in the fatal beaning of Cleveland's Ray Chapman on August 16, 1920, on a curveball that Chapman apparently never saw... |
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Mar 25, 2014 9:13:12 GMT -5
There are a number of conflicting accounts on the death of Roy Chapman. I've read alternately that it was a fast ball, or a spit ball, or that Mays was trying to back Chapman (who was a prolific bunter) off the plate. Miller Huggins account was Chapman's cletes got stuck and he couldn't get out off the way.
Some say Chapman took a few steps towards first, or got up and tried to go to first, or just collapsed on the spot.
It seems pretty consistant that the ball bounced so hard off of Chapman's skull that Mays fielded the ball and threw it to first.
Some say that Chapman's death was one off main reasons the spit ball was banned shortly thereafter (which apparently no one every told Gaylord Perry).
Another myth -- It was another thrity years before the batting helmet was required equipment.
Good question, psuhistory.
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Post by psuhistory on Mar 25, 2014 11:34:01 GMT -5
There are a number of conflicting accounts on the death of Roy Chapman. I've read alternately that it was a fast ball, or a spit ball, or that Mays was trying to back Chapman (who was a prolific bunter) off the plate. Miller Huggins account was Chapman's cletes got stuck and he couldn't get out off the way. Some say Chapman took a few steps towards first, or got up and tried to go to first, or just collapsed on the spot. It seems pretty consistant that the ball bounced so hard off of Chapman's skull that Mays fielded the ball and threw it to first. Some say that Chapman's death was one off main reasons the spit ball was banned shortly thereafter (which apparently no one every told Gaylord Perry). Another myth -- It was another thrity years before the batting helmet was required equipment. Good question, psuhistory. Yeah, many of the details aren't clear, including the response to Mays. According to one account, Cobb told a reporter on the day of the incident that Mays had done it on purpose, that he threw beanballs all the time, and that Mays should be barred from the game. Cobb denied saying any of these things, despite his history with Mays… Mays himself said that he had thrown a curveball, but he said this at a time when many were accusing him of having beaned Chapman--who habitually crowded the plate--on purpose. Mays objected that he wouldn't have thrown a curveball if he'd intended to hit a batter. So, yeah, my idea that Chapman never saw the pitch is a theory. MLB did start using more new baseballs afterwards, but it's also true that they outlawed trick pitches, and that may have been what Mays threw... On the injury itself, one report also described Chapman walking part of the way to the clubhouse before collapsing in centerfield... |
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