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Post by redsfanntheville on Dec 13, 2011 8:48:59 GMT -5
And it likely includes Alonso in the deal, but what do you guys think the snag is?
I'd say would have gotten Davis or Niemann from them already if we were really after them with Yonder.
I just can't figure out how/why we can't make this one happen.
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Post by crashdavissports on Dec 13, 2011 9:59:04 GMT -5
Forget Shields, nab Moore. With his new contract he just became the most attractive option.
Throw them Alonso, Grandal, Wood.
Not sure who we are gonna have play LF, but I am sure Heisey can play there if needed. We still have Sappelt. Francisco to back up Rolen. We have no backup 1st baseman anymore after Hernandez and Alonso go bye bye.
I think they should maybe just risk it and put Boxburger in as closer from day one and just go with it.
Cueto
Moore
Leake
Arroyo
Volquez/whoever
CF Stubbs
2B Phillips
1B Votto
RF Bruce
3B Rolen
LF Heisey
SS Cozart
C Mesoraco
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Post by crashdavissports on Dec 13, 2011 10:10:50 GMT -5
Plus, this should make Alonso and Grandal happy. They are going back to Florida to be near friends and family, and the Rays are getting some serious upgrade in their lineup.
They are giving up a good talent, but replacing with a decent pitcher who is young in Wood, and they still have three top tier pitchers to run out there in Price, Shields and Hellickson...and still have Davis and Niemann along with Wood now.
C Grandal (next year or later this year)
1B Alonso
2B (no idea who their 2B is)
SS Brignac
3B Longoria
LF Jennings
CF Upton
RF Zobrist
DH Joyce / Kotchman
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Post by crustybaker on Dec 13, 2011 10:30:17 GMT -5
We aren't getting either of them. Face it, we are going to end up with Jeff Niemann or someone like that.
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Post by kinsm on Dec 13, 2011 10:44:08 GMT -5
TB is not trading Moore.
Why would the Reds want Davis or Niemann?
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Post by gabb on Dec 13, 2011 11:05:21 GMT -5
Would Joe Saunders be worth a look at this point? Did the Dback's non-tender him?
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 13, 2011 11:46:14 GMT -5
TB is not trading Moore. Why would the Reds want Davis or Niemann? This and this again. |
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Dec 13, 2011 11:55:03 GMT -5
Yes, I know I'm the only one on the board who thinks this, but James Shields is a bad option. I look for a big-time regression on him this year.
Thus, I'm sure Jocko is talking to the Rays even now.
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Post by crustybaker on Dec 13, 2011 12:17:42 GMT -5
Yes, I know I'm the only one on the board who thinks this, but James Shields is a bad option. I look for a big-time regression on him this year. Thus, I'm sure Jocko is talking to the Rays even now. Walt looks for any excuse he can to not make an acquisition, so I'm sure he's on board with you. |
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Post by vtreds22 on Dec 13, 2011 12:50:11 GMT -5
Forget Shields, nab Moore. With his new contract he just became the most attractive option. Throw them Alonso, Grandal, Wood. Throw in Chapman, Corcino, and Hamilton and they may listen. Just to reiterate what others have said... They're not trading Moore. |
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Post by stock on Dec 13, 2011 14:01:51 GMT -5
TB is not trading Moore. Why would the Reds want Davis or Niemann? +1 |
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Post by The Duke on Dec 13, 2011 14:07:23 GMT -5
Seriously with Moore again? Sure, it'll just take Mesoraco, Alonso, Cozart, Chapman and Sappelt.
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Post by stock on Dec 13, 2011 14:09:17 GMT -5
Plus, this should make Alonso and Grandal happy. They are going back to Florida to be near friends and family, and the Rays are getting some serious upgrade in their lineup. They are giving up a good talent, but replacing with a decent pitcher who is young in Wood, and they still have three top tier pitchers to run out there in Price, Shields and Hellickson...and still have Davis and Niemann along with Wood now. C Grandal (next year or later this year) 1B Alonso 2B (no idea who their 2B is) SS Brignac 3B Longoria LF Jennings CF Upton RF Zobrist DH Joyce / Kotchman Zobrist is their 2B. Joyce is their RF. Kotchman is a FA and if he were a Ray he would be the 1B because he is a very good defender. Alonso would be DH. Sean Rodriguez is their SS. Brignac is a utility IF. Not that it matters because they aren't trading Moore. |
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Post by redsfanntheville on Dec 13, 2011 14:26:20 GMT -5
We should be able to pry Shields from them, with Alonso, a contract player like Chapman or Volquez, and another prospect.
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Post by crashdavissports on Dec 14, 2011 7:52:05 GMT -5
Perhaps they don't want to, but if they are goign to upgrade areas of their team, they are gonna have to trade one of their good pitching pieces. They still have 3 stellar pitchers who are young and talented.
They would be trading one of their players that didn't even really contribute last year during the season. Difference, they are upgrading at least two of their offensive spots with young talented guys who would probably be more affordable for them, because Alonso and Grandal would probably take pay cuts to remain in Florida.
Just a thought. Sure, have 4 or 5 young pitchers, but if you can't put many points on the board either, it isn't going to be any easier. They have an okay offense..they really need to upgrade.
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