Moves

[Eric]

Total agree with the Castro for Hariston move today so props to the Reds for something they are doing right, But here are the other moves i would make.

1.DFA Josh Fogg and Recall Homer Bailey from AAA Louisville, Replace Belise in the rotation with Homer and move Matt to long relief.

2.Trade Hatteberg for a player to be named later and or cash. And recall Jolbert Cabarea from AAA Louisvillle,

3.Recall Jay Bruce from AAA Louisville and send down Norris Hopper. Would like to send Freel down but due to options you send Hopper. Start Bruce in Center.

4.DFA Todd Coffey and Recall Bill Bray form AAA Louisville,

5.Drop Dunn to 8th in the batting order intill he prove he can do anything. If you can take anything from the game tonight look what the Dodgers are doing to Andrew Jones, I would take a similar approach to Dunn.

I just think these moves will shake up the club and change the mood. We jsut cant keep falling behind in the divison. I think playing the young guys gives us the best shot to win.

[Eric]

I also feel Dunn is worthless i hope to god they dont resign him. i cant stand watching him do absoulte nothing at the plate. ya he might hit 40 homers but he comes up SMALL way more often then he does good, it just does not cut it. he is not a team player.

dont resign griffery or dunn and let bruce start. go out in the offseason and pick yourself up another pitcher and right handed power bat, with the 29 mill you can use....

well if you dont want to drop him in the lineup then bat him leadoff with all the walks he is getting. he just cant keep coming up with guys on base and not coming through. i mean come on guys this is our big league ball player we are paying 13,000,000 too to drive in runs and hit home runs and he simply is not doing it.

[Lark11]

Well, I have hard time disagreeing with much of what you've said. Though, I have a hard time believing that Baker and Krivsky will start Bruce over the three million dollar man Corey Patterson.

The only part that I object to is the Adam Dunn statements. He is hands down the biggest offensive threat we have. He's struggling a bit early on, but his production is unmatched by the rest of the team.

Personally, if we can find an adequate replacement, I have no problem letting both Dunn and Griffey walk for compensatory picks, but for now Dunn is our best offensive weapon.

[powerofcincy]

Dunn definitely poses a large threat, because even if he doesn't get a hit, he is highly likely to walk. His OBP alone makes him worth it.

[Eric]

ya i like my fair share of walks but come under 200? enough excuses for him. i hope we trade him. with 13 mill we can get a much better ball and team player. look at pujos and david wright they almost have the same amount of walks as dunn and are hitting over 300. im not saying he has to hit 300 but i mean at least 250 and thats not asking for much

[powerofcincy]

I think it's safe to assume that by July Dunn will be batting .250 or better. Give him time, and his bat will begin to warm up, and he'll become the slugger we know he is.

[Lark11]

Apr 21, 2008 22:55:05 GMT -5 @Eric said:

ya i like my fair share of walks but come under 200? enough excuses for him. i hope we trade him. with 13 mill we can get a much better ball and team player. look at pujos and david wright they almost have the same amount of walks as dunn and are hitting over 300. im not saying he has to hit 300 but i mean at least 250 and thats not asking for much

Well, Pujols and Wright are better players. I don't think anyone would dispute that, but Dunn is still a top notch offensive player. I agree with PowerofCincy, as Dunn's average will climb and his bat will heat up with the weather.

Dunn is one of the most consistent players around, as he's almost always good for 40+/100+/100+/100+ and he's very durable. I wouldn't get too discouraged right now, as he'll definitely get his.

[Eric]

A good baseball can play well in any condition regardless of the weather. He is just not a player a team can base themselves around. he just wants to hit home runs all the time he is a ME ME ME player. if he was such a good hitter and a great team player he would put a bunt down or two when they play the shift on him. and dont make an excuse well he cant bunt. EVERY major leaguer should know how to bunt. griffery does it from time to time. they are making an a** out of him.

[Lark11]

Apr 21, 2008 23:38:05 GMT -5 @Eric said:

A good baseball can play well in any condition regardless of the weather. He is just not a player a team can base themselves around. he just wants to hit home runs all the time he is a ME ME ME player. if he was such a good hitter and a great team player he would put a bunt down or two when they play the shift on him. and dont make an excuse well he cant bunt. EVERY major leaguer should know how to bunt. griffery does it from time to time. they are making an a** out of him.

You said early that we were paying him to hit homeruns and drive in runners. Well, he won't do much of either if he's dropping down bunts.

The problem is that people are focusing on what Dunn does poorly, rather than what he does well. He's a very productive offensive player. He's not a complete player or a fast player or a gold glove outfielder, but he IS a tremendously productive offensive player.

I agree that he can be frustrating at times, but you are comparing him to the likes of Albert Pujols and David Wright. How many players are going to stack up favorably against those two? Probably zero.

[columbusbengal]

Apr 21, 2008 22:10:21 GMT -5 @Eric said:

Total agree with the Castro for Hariston move today so props to the Reds for something they are doing right, But here are the other moves i would make.

1.DFA Josh Fogg and Recall Homer Bailey from AAA Louisville, Replace Belise in the rotation with Homer and move Matt to long relief.

2.Trade Hatteberg for a player to be named later and or cash. And recall Jolbert Cabarea from AAA Louisvillle,

3.Recall Jay Bruce from AAA Louisville and send down Norris Hopper. Would like to send Freel down but due to options you send Hopper. Start Bruce in Center.

4.DFA Todd Coffey and Recall Bill Bray form AAA Louisville,

5.Drop Dunn to 8th in the batting order intill he prove he can do anything. If you can take anything from the game tonight look what the Dodgers are doing to Andrew Jones, I would take a similar approach to Dunn.
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I agree with 2,4, and 5. However, the first move should be benching Patterson and having Hopper lead off (as opposed to sending him to Louisville).

[columbusbengal]

Apr 22, 2008 0:51:19 GMT -5 Lark11 said:

... you are comparing him to the likes of Albert Pujols and David Wright. How many players are going to stack up favorably against those two? Probably zero.

Well, I'd add ARod. After that, I agree. Not many.

[bishopl08]

I think the Reds should try to trade Griffey the as soon as he hits 600. Wait till Jue call up Jay Bruce and there is our future.

[corpjet]

lets keep the pitching carousel going, bring up homer!

[awnawboi21]

I don't think we should actively look to trade Griff at any point this year, unless we're way out of it come July.

I think we wait around and listen to offers for him, and if the right one comes around, you take it. If not, so be it.

Also, Adam Dunn will be the savior of this offense come next month. Just wait and see.

[dukecrunchybagel]

I think it's too soon to call up Bailey just yet.

CPat is proving he really is CPat and not Willie Mays (not that I' shocked by it).

DFAing Castro was a neccessary first step. Fogg and Coffey will be next but those guys will bring up bullpen help. Bray will take one of their spots - as for the other spot, Jon Adkins and Jim Brower are both making a case for themselves with the Bats.


One of the headaches Krivsky has to be dealing with is David Ross; word is he's just about ready to come back - but who do send down? Bako is hitting and fielding to well to cut - and Javy is still one of your better bench players. That leaves it to Hopper or Freel or Hatty - but then we're stuck in the old familar position of having three catchers around. I wonder if Ross could be headed to the Bronx?

I'd leave Bailey in AAA for now - let him get a good head of steam up before returning him to the Show. Meanwhile, let Belisle have a few starts - he's better than Fogg, and I wouldn't count him out based on one shoddy start. Actually, ideally Belisle stabilizes to a #5 starter (maybe a step up from last year's performance) so we can turn around and deal Arroyo during the fire sale (we'll get better prospects for Bronson than for Matt). Maybe the Braves will still take him? Or the Mets?

I'd give Belisle another three to five starts and see how he does - if he stabilizes, then all's well. If not, I'd bring up Justin Lehr.

I do not believe Hatty is going anywhere, nor is CPat. Both might have value closer to July 31.

I'd also make Hopper the everyday centerfielder. If he can't put it together by the ASB, then I call up Bruce, but I'm not really thrilled about Bruce in CF; I'd much rather see him in one of the corners.