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Post by Lark11 on Nov 6, 2022 11:26:43 GMT -5
joeposnanski.substack.com/p/you-can-depend-on-pete-rose?triedSigningIn=trueYou Can Depend on Pete Rose Aug 8 By Joe Posnanski There’s a wonderful line in one of my all-time favorite movies, “My Favorite Year,” when the legendary movie star Alan Swann has skipped out on the television show he was supposed to guest star in. Benji Stone, who idolizes Swann, walks down to the car and sees his hero so drunk that he drops the bottle and it shatters on the sidewalk. “That’s a sad sight,” Swann says, looking at the broken glass. “You’re a sadder sight,” Benji says. “All you end up doing is making anyone who cares about you unhappy.” “Well, you know what they say about me, Stoneberg,” Swann says. “You can depend on Alan Swann. He will always let you down.” Yes. You can depend on Pete Rose. He will always let you down. It isn’t exactly clear why the Philadelphia Phillies thought it a good idea to invite Pete out to their celebration of the 1980 World Series championship team. Well, it wasn’t even clear why they were HAVING a celebration of the 1980 World Series champion team now — it’s like the 42nd anniversary. Who goes out of their way to celebrate their 42nd anniversary? It is — I just looked it up — the Jasper Anniversary. I mean, can there be a less interesting anniversary than the Jasper Anniversary? Heck, what even IS Jasper?* *Ed. note: Brilliant reader Matt E. points out that this celebration was because the 40th anniversary was postponed for COVID, which does make it more reasonable. But, OK, they decided to have the anniversary. And Pete Rose was a key player on that 1980 Phillies team — maybe even THE key player on that team. Right? That’s certainly how it has been told through the years. Well, actually, not so much. Rose, believe it or not, had a negative WAR for that season. It is a season unique in baseball history — nobody else has had 735 plate appearances in a season and still had a negative WAR. But wait, Rose led the league in doubles in 1980? How can you lead the league in doubles and still have a negative WAR? Well, yeah, he had 42 doubles in 739 plate appearances … but he only had a total of 44 extra-base hits. That’s right. He hit one triple and one home run. That’s right, he led the league in doubles but still had a .354 slugging percentage. Then you add that he was abysmal defensively at first base and at age 39 had lost all of his speed on the bases, yeah, you get a player who ain’t helping the ballclub. But, of course, Rose more than a player, was a larger-than-life figure on the field, a rip-roaring ballplayer who constantly hustled … in every definition of that word “hustle.” He hit .400 in the NLCS (all eight of his hits were singles) and in the World Series he made that memorable catch of a foul ball that had bounced off Bob Boone’s glove, and when it ended he got the lion’s share of the credit for turning the underachieving Phillies into winners once and for all. The Phillies asked the players from that 1980 championship team if they wanted Rose at the anniversary celebration. The players apparently said yes. So the Phillies asked the commissioner’s office if Rose could be there. The commissioner said yes. And so it came to pass that Pete Rose was there to embarrass all of them on Sunday. “What would you say to people who say that your presence here sends a negative message to women?” Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Alex Coffey asked Rose, the most easily anticipated question in the history of the world. “No, I’m not here to talk about that,” Rose said. “Sorry about that. It was 55 years ago, babe.” He later qualified the timing to the AP by saying, “Who cares about what happened 50 years ago?” He reportedly did not call the AP reporter, “babe.” See, Rose was NOT there to talk about something that happened 50 years ago. He was there to talk about something that happened 42 years ago. And don’t you forget it. The amazing thing about Pete Rose’s corrupt life is that nobody cares about the jail time for tax evasion or his close association with a steroid and cocaine dealer or his admission to using amphetamines or the paternity suit he was involved with or the reports that he corked his bats. Heck, few people even care about the gambling stuff anymore. You will remember that it’s the gambling — and the lying about it — that got him thrown out of baseball in the first place and has kept him out of the Hall of Fame. It’s the gambling that people had been arguing about for 30 years. How bad was it? Did he bet on his own team to lose? Did he adjust his managing style to cover his bets? Did he actually try to throw games? And as baseball has grown comfier and comfier with the gambling world, Rose’s gambling offenses felt less and less egregious. When you have Joe Buck and John Smoltz offering gambling advice during the World Series, let’s be honest, it gets harder and harder to maintain the same righteous indignation toward Rose, even if what he did was entirely different.  Rose’s appearance in Philly on Sunday went about as well as you would expect. (Mitchell Leff/Getty Images)But in 2017, a much more unseemly part of Rose’s life went public. Two years earlier, John Dowd — who has been Rose’s Inspector Javert — had gone on a radio station in West Chester (just 45 minutes West of Philadelphia) and said that Rose’s former bookie Michael Bertoloni didn’t just make bets for Rose. “[He] told us that not only did he run bets, but he ran young girls for him down in spring training, ages 12 to 14,” Dowd said. “Isn’t that lovely? So that’s statutory rape every time you do that.” Rose and Bertoloni both immediately called Dowd a dirty liar, and Rose made the ill-fated decision to sue Dowd for defamation. Dowd was ready with testimony from a woman who said that she had a relationship with Rose before she turned 16, the age of consent in Ohio at the time. Rose’s feeble response was that he felt fairly sure she was 16. He was 34. The lawsuit was dismissed not long after that. And the Philadelphia Phillies, who had intended to put Rose on their Wall of Fame that very year, changed their minds and canceled the whole thing. As for those who might wonder why the Phillies changed their minds again and invited Rose in 2022, their explanation is, see, the Wall of Fame thing was an INDIVIDUAL award while this was a TEAM celebration, and you can see how that’s totally different, and blah blah blah. I’m sure they invited him because they knew many Philly fans would get a huge kick out of seeing Rose (he does have his fans) and they thought he wouldn’t turn the whole thing into an ungodly mess, with the Phillies being forced to apologize, with Rose being forced to apologize, with the whole celebration getting overshadowed. The thing that amazes me is how many people fell for it. There has never a more foreseeable fiasco. The Phillies should have known he would make them look bad. His old teammates should have known that the celebration would soon become about Pete Rose’s troubling life and nothing else. The commissioner’s office should have stepped in before this embarrassed baseball. There were flashing red lights at every turn.* *And then NBC Sports Philadelphia decided to let Rose on the broadcast to let loose a couple of expletives for a dumb story that entertained him, if no one else. Heck, even Pete Rose should have known that this was a disaster waiting to happen, that he would get asked questions to which there are no good answers. But everybody just let it happen, somehow thinking that it would turn out OK. Pete Rose was a great baseball player — not in 1980, but over his career — and many people will always love him for that and will always forgive him for anything he did and will always hope that this time he will rise to the moment. But he never will. You can depend on Pete Rose. He will always let you down.
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Post by jbuck on Nov 6, 2022 11:32:40 GMT -5
and thus, Cincinnati will always be relevant, sort of
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 25, 2022 23:03:02 GMT -5
joeposnanski.substack.com/p/you-can-depend-on-pete-rose?triedSigningIn=trueYou Can Depend on Pete Rose Aug 8 By Joe Posnanski There’s a wonderful line in one of my all-time favorite movies, “My Favorite Year,” when the legendary movie star Alan Swann has skipped out on the television show he was supposed to guest star in. Benji Stone, who idolizes Swann, walks down to the car and sees his hero so drunk that he drops the bottle and it shatters on the sidewalk. “That’s a sad sight,” Swann says, looking at the broken glass. “You’re a sadder sight,” Benji says. “All you end up doing is making anyone who cares about you unhappy.” “Well, you know what they say about me, Stoneberg,” Swann says. “You can depend on Alan Swann. He will always let you down.” Yes. You can depend on Pete Rose. He will always let you down. It isn’t exactly clear why the Philadelphia Phillies thought it a good idea to invite Pete out to their celebration of the 1980 World Series championship team. Well, it wasn’t even clear why they were HAVING a celebration of the 1980 World Series champion team now — it’s like the 42nd anniversary. Who goes out of their way to celebrate their 42nd anniversary? It is — I just looked it up — the Jasper Anniversary. I mean, can there be a less interesting anniversary than the Jasper Anniversary? Heck, what even IS Jasper?* *Ed. note: Brilliant reader Matt E. points out that this celebration was because the 40th anniversary was postponed for COVID, which does make it more reasonable. But, OK, they decided to have the anniversary. And Pete Rose was a key player on that 1980 Phillies team — maybe even THE key player on that team. Right? That’s certainly how it has been told through the years. Well, actually, not so much. Rose, believe it or not, had a negative WAR for that season. It is a season unique in baseball history — nobody else has had 735 plate appearances in a season and still had a negative WAR. But wait, Rose led the league in doubles in 1980? How can you lead the league in doubles and still have a negative WAR? Well, yeah, he had 42 doubles in 739 plate appearances … but he only had a total of 44 extra-base hits. That’s right. He hit one triple and one home run. That’s right, he led the league in doubles but still had a .354 slugging percentage. Then you add that he was abysmal defensively at first base and at age 39 had lost all of his speed on the bases, yeah, you get a player who ain’t helping the ballclub. But, of course, Rose more than a player, was a larger-than-life figure on the field, a rip-roaring ballplayer who constantly hustled … in every definition of that word “hustle.” He hit .400 in the NLCS (all eight of his hits were singles) and in the World Series he made that memorable catch of a foul ball that had bounced off Bob Boone’s glove, and when it ended he got the lion’s share of the credit for turning the underachieving Phillies into winners once and for all. The Phillies asked the players from that 1980 championship team if they wanted Rose at the anniversary celebration. The players apparently said yes. So the Phillies asked the commissioner’s office if Rose could be there. The commissioner said yes. And so it came to pass that Pete Rose was there to embarrass all of them on Sunday. “What would you say to people who say that your presence here sends a negative message to women?” Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Alex Coffey asked Rose, the most easily anticipated question in the history of the world. “No, I’m not here to talk about that,” Rose said. “Sorry about that. It was 55 years ago, babe.” He later qualified the timing to the AP by saying, “Who cares about what happened 50 years ago?” He reportedly did not call the AP reporter, “babe.” See, Rose was NOT there to talk about something that happened 50 years ago. He was there to talk about something that happened 42 years ago. And don’t you forget it. The amazing thing about Pete Rose’s corrupt life is that nobody cares about the jail time for tax evasion or his close association with a steroid and cocaine dealer or his admission to using amphetamines or the paternity suit he was involved with or the reports that he corked his bats. Heck, few people even care about the gambling stuff anymore. You will remember that it’s the gambling — and the lying about it — that got him thrown out of baseball in the first place and has kept him out of the Hall of Fame. It’s the gambling that people had been arguing about for 30 years. How bad was it? Did he bet on his own team to lose? Did he adjust his managing style to cover his bets? Did he actually try to throw games? And as baseball has grown comfier and comfier with the gambling world, Rose’s gambling offenses felt less and less egregious. When you have Joe Buck and John Smoltz offering gambling advice during the World Series, let’s be honest, it gets harder and harder to maintain the same righteous indignation toward Rose, even if what he did was entirely different. Rose’s appearance in Philly on Sunday went about as well as you would expect. (Mitchell Leff/Getty Images)But in 2017, a much more unseemly part of Rose’s life went public. Two years earlier, John Dowd — who has been Rose’s Inspector Javert — had gone on a radio station in West Chester (just 45 minutes West of Philadelphia) and said that Rose’s former bookie Michael Bertoloni didn’t just make bets for Rose. “[He] told us that not only did he run bets, but he ran young girls for him down in spring training, ages 12 to 14,” Dowd said. “Isn’t that lovely? So that’s statutory rape every time you do that.” Rose and Bertoloni both immediately called Dowd a dirty liar, and Rose made the ill-fated decision to sue Dowd for defamation. Dowd was ready with testimony from a woman who said that she had a relationship with Rose before she turned 16, the age of consent in Ohio at the time. Rose’s feeble response was that he felt fairly sure she was 16. He was 34. The lawsuit was dismissed not long after that. And the Philadelphia Phillies, who had intended to put Rose on their Wall of Fame that very year, changed their minds and canceled the whole thing. As for those who might wonder why the Phillies changed their minds again and invited Rose in 2022, their explanation is, see, the Wall of Fame thing was an INDIVIDUAL award while this was a TEAM celebration, and you can see how that’s totally different, and blah blah blah. I’m sure they invited him because they knew many Philly fans would get a huge kick out of seeing Rose (he does have his fans) and they thought he wouldn’t turn the whole thing into an ungodly mess, with the Phillies being forced to apologize, with Rose being forced to apologize, with the whole celebration getting overshadowed. The thing that amazes me is how many people fell for it. There has never a more foreseeable fiasco. The Phillies should have known he would make them look bad. His old teammates should have known that the celebration would soon become about Pete Rose’s troubling life and nothing else. The commissioner’s office should have stepped in before this embarrassed baseball. There were flashing red lights at every turn.* *And then NBC Sports Philadelphia decided to let Rose on the broadcast to let loose a couple of expletives for a dumb story that entertained him, if no one else. Heck, even Pete Rose should have known that this was a disaster waiting to happen, that he would get asked questions to which there are no good answers. But everybody just let it happen, somehow thinking that it would turn out OK. Pete Rose was a great baseball player — not in 1980, but over his career — and many people will always love him for that and will always forgive him for anything he did and will always hope that this time he will rise to the moment. But he never will. You can depend on Pete Rose. He will always let you down. You're woke, aren't you? That's why as a Reds fan you can bash Pete Rose. And as someone who basically runs this forum. I'm not woke. I'm an outspoken, conservative Christian who was very politically active, so we'll probably view everything oppositely. I could care less about Pete Rose statement from that cheeky reporter who tried to set him up to look bad at an event that had nothing to do with her sabatoging question. Pete Rose is not a moral man. He needs Christ as much as we all do, but he his a living legend, charismatic, likable and what he accomplished in baseball ranks w/ the top tier hall of famers. Pete Rose is Pete Rose. He's not a product of this generation that doesn't believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the US Constitution. He could care less about political correctness and either do I. Pete Rose should be in the HoF. Those who try to shame him for that insignificant response to that reporter, are part of the problem. |
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 26, 2022 0:24:34 GMT -5
joeposnanski.substack.com/p/you-can-depend-on-pete-rose?triedSigningIn=trueYou Can Depend on Pete Rose Aug 8 By Joe Posnanski There’s a wonderful line in one of my all-time favorite movies, “My Favorite Year,” when the legendary movie star Alan Swann has skipped out on the television show he was supposed to guest star in. Benji Stone, who idolizes Swann, walks down to the car and sees his hero so drunk that he drops the bottle and it shatters on the sidewalk. “That’s a sad sight,” Swann says, looking at the broken glass. “You’re a sadder sight,” Benji says. “All you end up doing is making anyone who cares about you unhappy.” “Well, you know what they say about me, Stoneberg,” Swann says. “You can depend on Alan Swann. He will always let you down.” Yes. You can depend on Pete Rose. He will always let you down. It isn’t exactly clear why the Philadelphia Phillies thought it a good idea to invite Pete out to their celebration of the 1980 World Series championship team. Well, it wasn’t even clear why they were HAVING a celebration of the 1980 World Series champion team now — it’s like the 42nd anniversary. Who goes out of their way to celebrate their 42nd anniversary? It is — I just looked it up — the Jasper Anniversary. I mean, can there be a less interesting anniversary than the Jasper Anniversary? Heck, what even IS Jasper?* *Ed. note: Brilliant reader Matt E. points out that this celebration was because the 40th anniversary was postponed for COVID, which does make it more reasonable. But, OK, they decided to have the anniversary. And Pete Rose was a key player on that 1980 Phillies team — maybe even THE key player on that team. Right? That’s certainly how it has been told through the years. Well, actually, not so much. Rose, believe it or not, had a negative WAR for that season. It is a season unique in baseball history — nobody else has had 735 plate appearances in a season and still had a negative WAR. But wait, Rose led the league in doubles in 1980? How can you lead the league in doubles and still have a negative WAR? Well, yeah, he had 42 doubles in 739 plate appearances … but he only had a total of 44 extra-base hits. That’s right. He hit one triple and one home run. That’s right, he led the league in doubles but still had a .354 slugging percentage. Then you add that he was abysmal defensively at first base and at age 39 had lost all of his speed on the bases, yeah, you get a player who ain’t helping the ballclub. But, of course, Rose more than a player, was a larger-than-life figure on the field, a rip-roaring ballplayer who constantly hustled … in every definition of that word “hustle.” He hit .400 in the NLCS (all eight of his hits were singles) and in the World Series he made that memorable catch of a foul ball that had bounced off Bob Boone’s glove, and when it ended he got the lion’s share of the credit for turning the underachieving Phillies into winners once and for all. The Phillies asked the players from that 1980 championship team if they wanted Rose at the anniversary celebration. The players apparently said yes. So the Phillies asked the commissioner’s office if Rose could be there. The commissioner said yes. And so it came to pass that Pete Rose was there to embarrass all of them on Sunday. “What would you say to people who say that your presence here sends a negative message to women?” Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Alex Coffey asked Rose, the most easily anticipated question in the history of the world. “No, I’m not here to talk about that,” Rose said. “Sorry about that. It was 55 years ago, babe.” He later qualified the timing to the AP by saying, “Who cares about what happened 50 years ago?” He reportedly did not call the AP reporter, “babe.” See, Rose was NOT there to talk about something that happened 50 years ago. He was there to talk about something that happened 42 years ago. And don’t you forget it. The amazing thing about Pete Rose’s corrupt life is that nobody cares about the jail time for tax evasion or his close association with a steroid and cocaine dealer or his admission to using amphetamines or the paternity suit he was involved with or the reports that he corked his bats. Heck, few people even care about the gambling stuff anymore. You will remember that it’s the gambling — and the lying about it — that got him thrown out of baseball in the first place and has kept him out of the Hall of Fame. It’s the gambling that people had been arguing about for 30 years. How bad was it? Did he bet on his own team to lose? Did he adjust his managing style to cover his bets? Did he actually try to throw games? And as baseball has grown comfier and comfier with the gambling world, Rose’s gambling offenses felt less and less egregious. When you have Joe Buck and John Smoltz offering gambling advice during the World Series, let’s be honest, it gets harder and harder to maintain the same righteous indignation toward Rose, even if what he did was entirely different. Rose’s appearance in Philly on Sunday went about as well as you would expect. (Mitchell Leff/Getty Images)But in 2017, a much more unseemly part of Rose’s life went public. Two years earlier, John Dowd — who has been Rose’s Inspector Javert — had gone on a radio station in West Chester (just 45 minutes West of Philadelphia) and said that Rose’s former bookie Michael Bertoloni didn’t just make bets for Rose. “[He] told us that not only did he run bets, but he ran young girls for him down in spring training, ages 12 to 14,” Dowd said. “Isn’t that lovely? So that’s statutory rape every time you do that.” Rose and Bertoloni both immediately called Dowd a dirty liar, and Rose made the ill-fated decision to sue Dowd for defamation. Dowd was ready with testimony from a woman who said that she had a relationship with Rose before she turned 16, the age of consent in Ohio at the time. Rose’s feeble response was that he felt fairly sure she was 16. He was 34. The lawsuit was dismissed not long after that. And the Philadelphia Phillies, who had intended to put Rose on their Wall of Fame that very year, changed their minds and canceled the whole thing. As for those who might wonder why the Phillies changed their minds again and invited Rose in 2022, their explanation is, see, the Wall of Fame thing was an INDIVIDUAL award while this was a TEAM celebration, and you can see how that’s totally different, and blah blah blah. I’m sure they invited him because they knew many Philly fans would get a huge kick out of seeing Rose (he does have his fans) and they thought he wouldn’t turn the whole thing into an ungodly mess, with the Phillies being forced to apologize, with Rose being forced to apologize, with the whole celebration getting overshadowed. The thing that amazes me is how many people fell for it. There has never a more foreseeable fiasco. The Phillies should have known he would make them look bad. His old teammates should have known that the celebration would soon become about Pete Rose’s troubling life and nothing else. The commissioner’s office should have stepped in before this embarrassed baseball. There were flashing red lights at every turn.* *And then NBC Sports Philadelphia decided to let Rose on the broadcast to let loose a couple of expletives for a dumb story that entertained him, if no one else. Heck, even Pete Rose should have known that this was a disaster waiting to happen, that he would get asked questions to which there are no good answers. But everybody just let it happen, somehow thinking that it would turn out OK. Pete Rose was a great baseball player — not in 1980, but over his career — and many people will always love him for that and will always forgive him for anything he did and will always hope that this time he will rise to the moment. But he never will. You can depend on Pete Rose. He will always let you down. You're woke, aren't you? That's why as a Reds fan you can bash Pete Rose. And as someone who basically runs this forum. I'm not woke. I'm an outspoken, conservative Christian who was very politically active, so we'll probably view everything oppositely. I could care less about Pete Rose statement from that cheeky reporter who tried to set him up to look bad at an event that had nothing to do with her sabatoging question. Pete Rose is not a moral man. He needs Christ as much as we all do, but he his a living legend, charismatic, likable and what he accomplished in baseball ranks w/ the top tier hall of famers. Pete Rose is Pete Rose. He's not a product of this generation that doesn't believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the US Constitution. He could care less about political correctness and either do I. Pete Rose should be in the HoF. Those who try to shame him for that insignificant response to that reporter, are part of the problem. What does "woke" mean??? Just to clarify, though I assume it is self-evident, I didn't write a word of this. I posted it because it's Joe Posnanski and everything he writes, quite frankly, would be worth posting, but this also has the benefit of being Reds-related. What does belief "in freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the US Constitution" have to do with illegal gambling, tax evasion, and sexual relationships with underage girls? |
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 26, 2022 23:42:10 GMT -5
You're woke, aren't you? That's why as a Reds fan you can bash Pete Rose. And as someone who basically runs this forum. I'm not woke. I'm an outspoken, conservative Christian who was very politically active, so we'll probably view everything oppositely. I could care less about Pete Rose statement from that cheeky reporter who tried to set him up to look bad at an event that had nothing to do with her sabatoging question. Pete Rose is not a moral man. He needs Christ as much as we all do, but he his a living legend, charismatic, likable and what he accomplished in baseball ranks w/ the top tier hall of famers. Pete Rose is Pete Rose. He's not a product of this generation that doesn't believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the US Constitution. He could care less about political correctness and either do I. Pete Rose should be in the HoF. Those who try to shame him for that insignificant response to that reporter, are part of the problem. What does "woke" mean??? Just to clarify, though I assume it is self-evident, I didn't write a word of this. I posted it because it's Joe Posnanski and everything he writes, quite frankly, would be worth posting, but this also has the benefit of being Reds-related. What does belief "in freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the US Constitution" have to do with illegal gambling, tax evasion, and sexual relationships with underage girls? Are you being coy? You don't know what "woke" means? It's a way to describe a specific worldview, an agenda. Gambling, tax evasion, what about it? This isn't news to anyone. Underage girls according to this one source? What does that have to do with the event Pete Rose attended? This reporter is a troublemaker who sabotaged the whole event by asking that question. As a Reds fan and baseball fan that should be easy to understand, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of this woke agenda who is mad at Pete Rose for calling her babe. Big deal. He could've called her a lot worse. She should've immediately been escorted off the premises. Instead, you want to repost someone trying to shame Pete Rose. I say shame on you for reposting it. |
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Post by jbuck on Nov 27, 2022 10:58:12 GMT -5
You know Pete is a total dumbass right?
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Post by Lark11 on Nov 27, 2022 12:26:09 GMT -5
What does "woke" mean??? Just to clarify, though I assume it is self-evident, I didn't write a word of this. I posted it because it's Joe Posnanski and everything he writes, quite frankly, would be worth posting, but this also has the benefit of being Reds-related. What does belief "in freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the US Constitution" have to do with illegal gambling, tax evasion, and sexual relationships with underage girls? Are you being coy? You don't know what "woke" means? It's a way to describe a specific worldview, an agenda. Gambling, tax evasion, what about it? This isn't news to anyone. Underage girls according to this one source? What does that have to do with the event Pete Rose attended? This reporter is a troublemaker who sabotaged the whole event by asking that question. As a Reds fan and baseball fan that should be easy to understand, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of this woke agenda who is mad at Pete Rose for calling her babe. Big deal. He could've called her a lot worse. She should've immediately been escorted off the premises. Instead, you want to repost someone trying to shame Pete Rose. I say shame on you for reposting it. No, I don't know what "woke" means and you still haven't defined it. The issue isn't that he called a reporter babe. The issue isn't that the reporter asked the question. The issue is whether someone with Pete Rose's checkered past (again, gambling, tax evasion, sexual relations with underage girls, etc.) should be celebrated. Apparently, you are able to separate the athlete from the person; elevating the athlete and celebrating him for his never-ending hustle, dirty uniform, and headfirst slides, while ignoring (or perhaps not caring about) the misdeeds of the person. However, many people are unable to so easily compartmentalize the two. Also, I would hope that it is clear at this point: Pete Rose cannot be shamed, because he is shameless. We can all agree on that, right? |
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Post by jeremiah on Nov 28, 2022 0:46:09 GMT -5
Are you being coy? You don't know what "woke" means? It's a way to describe a specific worldview, an agenda. Gambling, tax evasion, what about it? This isn't news to anyone. Underage girls according to this one source? What does that have to do with the event Pete Rose attended? This reporter is a troublemaker who sabotaged the whole event by asking that question. As a Reds fan and baseball fan that should be easy to understand, rather than jumping on the bandwagon of this woke agenda who is mad at Pete Rose for calling her babe. Big deal. He could've called her a lot worse. She should've immediately been escorted off the premises. Instead, you want to repost someone trying to shame Pete Rose. I say shame on you for reposting it. No, I don't know what "woke" means and you still haven't defined it. The issue isn't that he called a reporter babe. The issue isn't that the reporter asked the question. The issue is whether someone with Pete Rose's checkered past (again, gambling, tax evasion, sexual relations with underage girls, etc.) should be celebrated. Apparently, you are able to separate the athlete from the person; elevating the athlete and celebrating him for his never-ending hustle, dirty uniform, and headfirst slides, while ignoring (or perhaps not caring about) the misdeeds of the person. However, many people are unable to so easily compartmentalize the two. Also, I would hope that it is clear at this point: Pete Rose cannot be shamed, because he is shameless. We can all agree on that, right? I think the issue is that the reporter asked the question. It was clearly meant to make Pete Rose look bad at an event that was focusing on winning the 1980 World Series. Pete Rose was absolutely correct, he said, "I'm not here to talk about that." That reporter tried to ruin the moment and with the help of people like Joe P. It's being perpetuated. That event was to celebrate the past success. Pete Rose has already had his day in court concerning underage girls and like you reposted it was thrown out. I acknowledge that Pete Rose has his flaws but it doesn't mean that everything about him is awful. That is a very unkind way to view him. As a Reds fan and baseball fan i can celebrate what he accomplished. As a Phillies fan, I wouldn't be mad at Pete Rose for what happened at the event. He didn't embarrass himself. He was set up. I'm not going to try to cancel his legacy out of baseball like others are trying to do for their woke agenda. woke /wōk/ Learn to pronounce verb past of wake1. adjectiveINFORMAL•US alert to injustice in society, especially racism. "we need to stay angry, and stay woke" |
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Post by tnredsfan on Dec 6, 2022 15:25:54 GMT -5
pardon the interruption, but what, exactly, is so bad about being "alert to injustice in society, especially racism"?
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 6, 2022 23:38:55 GMT -5
pardon the interruption, but what, exactly, is so bad about being "alert to injustice in society, especially racism"? Yeah, like "socialism," "woke" is nothing more than a cudgel with which to beat people with opposing views over the head. It's a dog whistle. If you break it down into a defined term, as necessary to actually discuss it, things tend to fall apart pretty quickly. |
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Post by jeremiah on Dec 7, 2022 0:28:18 GMT -5
pardon the interruption, but what, exactly, is so bad about being "alert to injustice in society, especially racism"? Nothing. That's how someone who is woke would describe it. |
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Post by jeremiah on Dec 7, 2022 0:43:47 GMT -5
pardon the interruption, but what, exactly, is so bad about being "alert to injustice in society, especially racism"? Yeah, like "socialism," "woke" is nothing more than a cudgel with which to beat people with opposing views over the head. It's a dog whistle. If you break it down into a defined term, as necessary to actually discuss it, things tend to fall apart pretty quickly. "Socialism" has a negative ring to it b/c it's antiamerican, but that's what govt wealth redistribution is. I chose that definition of woke b/c it's a pro-woke definition and since I said you're probably woke, I didn't want to start off explaining it by insulting you. |
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 7, 2022 1:09:17 GMT -5
Yeah, like "socialism," "woke" is nothing more than a cudgel with which to beat people with opposing views over the head. It's a dog whistle. If you break it down into a defined term, as necessary to actually discuss it, things tend to fall apart pretty quickly. "Socialism" has a negative ring to it b/c it's antiamerican, but that's what govt wealth redistribution is. I chose that definition of woke b/c it's a pro-woke definition and since I said you're probably woke, I didn't want to start off explaining it by insulting you. So, then let's have your definition. |
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Post by jeremiah on Dec 7, 2022 21:12:27 GMT -5
"Socialism" has a negative ring to it b/c it's antiamerican, but that's what govt wealth redistribution is. I chose that definition of woke b/c it's a pro-woke definition and since I said you're probably woke, I didn't want to start off explaining it by insulting you. So, then let's have your definition. Woke: The misguided belief that someone is alert to injustice, especially racism, but is actually a victim of propaganda, being unwittingly manipulated and controlled to carry out the anti-american agenda of the NWO. |
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 9, 2022 12:16:46 GMT -5
www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/12/desantis-ron-woke-florida-officials/MOJO WIRE DECEMBER 5, 2022 DeSantis Officials Finally Tell Us What “Woke” Means“Systemic injustices” doesn’t have the same ring. ABIGAIL WEINBERG Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, chief warrior in the crusade against “wokeness,” has hurled the word at so many targets as to render it meaningless. Fortunately, some members of DeSantis’ office have opened up about what they consider the definition of the word “woke” to be—and said a lot about their politics, while they were at it. The question of the meaning of the word came up during a Florida trial over the potential reinstatement of Democratic State Attorney Andrew Warren, whom DeSantis suspended after Warren signed a pledge not to prosecute abortion seekers or providers. DeSantis argued that Warren’s pledge signaled a failure to perform his duties. A judge is currently deliberating the case. During the trial, attorneys for Warren asked DeSantis aides to define “woke.” Per Florida Politics: That’s the thing we’re supposed to believe is tearing the country apart. Belief in systemic injustices. There’s more: It’s important to remember that Ron DeSantis can’t hide behind the excuse of ignorance or incompetence, as former President Trump often did. Surely, during his undergraduate coursework at Yale or his law studies at Harvard, DeSantis encountered some discussion of redlining, environmental racism, discriminatory policing, or any of the other injustices that might be described as “systemic.” DeSantis knows that these exist, but in denying them, he divorces his actions from historical context and gives himself cover to perform stunts like arresting (mostly Black) Floridians for registering to vote when they didn’t know they had been barred from doing so. If DeSantis says “woke” often and loud enough, he just might be able to distract voters from the retrograde nature of the policies he’s enacted.
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