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Post by tiberius3108 on Dec 30, 2019 13:31:52 GMT -5
You do realize that in Japanese right? Sorry the translation just showed up for me. Although I am not sure I like the term uncivilised land.....
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Post by DocDirk on Dec 30, 2019 13:52:12 GMT -5
I like the signing, as long as it doesn't block us from continuing to press on. He's a good depth piece and can have Senzel using a more Zobrist-like role which he could be perfectly suited for.
The question is, what's next? Because this team could possibly win the division if everything goes right, but is that enough with what we've risked to bring in Bauer?
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Post by donho97 on Dec 30, 2019 13:58:58 GMT -5
US reporters say its not over and bidding now over $20M. i.e. Heyman and Sheldon
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 14:30:37 GMT -5
20 plus Mil. seems a bit much for a guy turning 32 in April. You know come what may for that price he will be starting. I am okay with it if it leads to trading for a proven SS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 14:33:39 GMT -5
I would be willing to bet Winker is a better hitter than this guy. At least against RHP. But again if it leads to trading a OFer Senzel and a prospect not named Lodolo for a SS. Then I am fine with it.
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Post by donho97 on Dec 30, 2019 14:46:23 GMT -5
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Post by tiberius3108 on Dec 30, 2019 15:18:04 GMT -5
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 30, 2019 15:52:50 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised by the third year. I might have preferred a higher AAV over two years plus a team option year.
Still, but feeling says this is a smart acquisition and the right type of risk to take on.
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Post by searay on Dec 30, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -5
Interesting that they project him as an above avg center fielder in 2020. So he's not a corner outfielder just yet
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Post by scottscudder on Dec 30, 2019 16:11:55 GMT -5
I like this deal. The Reds need a legit CF, another high OBP guy in the lineup, and a salary that doesn't break the bank. Shogo appears to meet all of these needs.
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Post by donho97 on Dec 30, 2019 18:02:59 GMT -5
Interesting that they project him as an above avg center fielder in 2020. So he's not a corner outfielder just yet I'd take account with that 70 speed grade and "blazing speed". I've never seen him play but his career SB percentage is 63% with no more than 18 in a single season. That doesn't jive with blazing speed.
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Post by kycatscinnreds on Dec 30, 2019 18:12:09 GMT -5
Who knows how this one works out but ill give the Reds credit the last couple years they have been making some moves.
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Dec 30, 2019 18:25:24 GMT -5
I like the signing, the Reds were likely going to be defensively weak up the middle with Moose at 2B and Galvis at SS. If his Japanese OBP translates, he becomes our first legit leadoff hitter since Choo.
I still think something is coming because the second-order effects are baffling if this a move in isolation.
Shogo has played fairly consistently in Japan, and I imagine the Reds are planning for him to be an everyday player. So if he's in center (and he's likely our best option there at the moment), where does that put Senzel? If you bump him to a corner, then is Winker out of job? Granted I'm not ready to assume that Aquino is the next coming of Barry Bonds, but I can't see him in a platoon with Winker -- Aquino's splits are only slightly worse against righthanders.
So presumably Winker is headed somewhere as trade bait. Or the Reds are willing to gamble five years of Senzel for two of Lindor (or Corey Seager perhaps in a three-team trade)? Hell, the Reds could get a kings ransom for Suarez in theory, if you want to go there, in which case Senzel goes to 3B, but that seems unlikely to happen in the extreme.
I agree that moving Suarez back to SS seems like a poor choice, but does that mean the Reds have crossed the idea off as well?
I dunno' but something is not adding up at the moment... We still need at least one more reliever (preferably a southpaw), a real shortstop, and could use an upgrade behind the plate.
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Post by scottscudder on Jan 1, 2020 17:16:17 GMT -5
What I'm struggling with is that, but for the 4-5 weeks of unbelievable performance from Aquino, the decision on what to do with Senzel and the rest of the outfield is an easy one. Winker should be starting in a corner OF position, with Senzel and Shogo being the other two outfielders, with a decision to be made on which of those two plays in CF. It's just that easy.
That being said, Aquino's 4-5 weeks in August were so stellar that I'm allowing all logic and reason to escape me, and I'm drawn into this whole dilemma of how to fit the pieces together with Aquino included. It's hard to be reasonable and stop imagining that Aquino might, just might, be a huge talent with superstar potential.
Ultimately though, I guess I'm thinking Aquino should start in AAA and continue to prove that he is for real. I'd rather see him get the everyday reps and bust the door down to get to the MLB level. If he shows incredible talent, and there's not an obvious opening at the MLB level, then I think you bring him up and move Shogo into the 4th OF role or even trade Shogo.
With regard to SS, the Reds definitely should have signed Didi, but shockingly they chose not to. And now having missed out on that budget reasonable option, they are stuck. There's just no way to find a SS with strong offensive production at a price that doesn't mortgage the future in prospects and/or cost a fortune. I'd stick with Galvis at SS and continue to look for an opportunity to upgrade at a fair price.
I'd be looking to make a trade for a catcher who can hit, and I'd be looking for bullpen help.
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Post by searay on Jan 3, 2020 10:42:21 GMT -5
What's holding this up? Why no official announcement?
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