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Post by DocDirk on Dec 15, 2018 10:14:50 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy that Democrats are whining about Trump when it's their fault because they didn't put anyone decent in to run against him.CNN knew it was an uphill battle so they fed her questions to a debate before it started and she still lost In a way it is the Democrats' fault, you're not wrong. Hillary was the most experienced option, no doubt, but she wasn't wildly popular. The superdelegates kind of killed the country, but realistically it's also the Republicans' fault. Kasich was a much better option (despite certainly not being perfect either.) I've never not voted for the Republican option for President, until Drumpf. He is, in almost every possible scenario from the last cycle, the worst possible option. And he has not proven otherwise in his two-ish years. His only claim to fame is his tax breaks, which history likely will not look back favorably upon (and the positive effects they may have had on the market have already dissipated.)
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Post by burtgummer on Dec 15, 2018 11:44:50 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy that Democrats are whining about Trump when it's their fault because they didn't put anyone decent in to run against him.CNN knew it was an uphill battle so they fed her questions to a debate before it started and she still lost In a way it is the Democrats' fault, you're not wrong. Hillary was the most experienced option, no doubt, but she wasn't wildly popular. The superdelegates kind of killed the country, but realistically it's also the Republicans' fault. Kasich was a much better option (despite certainly not being perfect either.) I've never not voted for the Republican option for President, until Drumpf. He is, in almost every possible scenario from the last cycle, the worst possible option. And he has not proven otherwise in his two-ish years. His only claim to fame is his tax breaks, which history likely will not look back favorably upon (and the positive effects they may have had on the market have already dissipated.) Unemployment at it's lowest since 1969 North Korea and the nuclear threat is taken care of Illegal immigration is being dealt with I know he's not the perfect president but he was a much better choice than HRC and has accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8 More than likely he'll have my vote again in 2020
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Post by DocDirk on Dec 15, 2018 12:32:18 GMT -5
In a way it is the Democrats' fault, you're not wrong. Hillary was the most experienced option, no doubt, but she wasn't wildly popular. The superdelegates kind of killed the country, but realistically it's also the Republicans' fault. Kasich was a much better option (despite certainly not being perfect either.) I've never not voted for the Republican option for President, until Drumpf. He is, in almost every possible scenario from the last cycle, the worst possible option. And he has not proven otherwise in his two-ish years. His only claim to fame is his tax breaks, which history likely will not look back favorably upon (and the positive effects they may have had on the market have already dissipated.) Unemployment at it's lowest since 1969 North Korea and the nuclear threat is taken care of Illegal immigration is being dealt with I know he's not the perfect president but he was a much better choice than HRC and has accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8 More than likely he'll have my vote again in 2020 I would freely support you defending your choice with the stats you want, but I would argue that there are more important economic drivers than simple unemployment. For example, underemployment www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/09/25/underemployment-takes-an-outsized-toll-on-the-economy-according-to-a-new-study/#323359ed234eOr the wage gap www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/income-inequality-continues-to-grow-in-the-united-states.htmlI'm not sure that illegal immigration is truly being dealt with, but we sure are committing more tax dollars to it (a cause that past true conservatives would bemoan.) I can't say that he's better than HRC would have been. She's certainly got her demons, but who really knows? However, DT has certainly not accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8. You may feel that way because you disagree with Obama's policies, but his ACA (while very controversial and still being appealed in the courts) was a massive feat. I am not a big proponent of the ACA, but you can not deny that some form of significant health care reform is necessary. Again, voted R all my life prior to last cycle and even I can admit that.
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Post by burtgummer on Dec 15, 2018 14:44:05 GMT -5
Unemployment at it's lowest since 1969 North Korea and the nuclear threat is taken care of Illegal immigration is being dealt with I know he's not the perfect president but he was a much better choice than HRC and has accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8 More than likely he'll have my vote again in 2020 I would freely support you defending your choice with the stats you want, but I would argue that there are more important economic drivers than simple unemployment. For example, underemployment www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/09/25/underemployment-takes-an-outsized-toll-on-the-economy-according-to-a-new-study/#323359ed234eOr the wage gap www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/income-inequality-continues-to-grow-in-the-united-states.htmlI'm not sure that illegal immigration is truly being dealt with, but we sure are committing more tax dollars to it (a cause that past true conservatives would bemoan.) I can't say that he's better than HRC would have been. She's certainly got her demons, but who really knows? However, DT has certainly not accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8. You may feel that way because you disagree with Obama's policies, but his ACA (while very controversial and still being appealed in the courts) was a massive feat. I am not a big proponent of the ACA, but you can not deny that some form of significant health care reform is necessary. Again, voted R all my life prior to last cycle and even I can admit that. Obama did nothing and didn't even try to do anything about illegal immigration N Korea became nuclear and a major world threat under Obama So Yes Trump has done more in 2 years than Obama did in 8
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Post by DocDirk on Dec 15, 2018 15:41:22 GMT -5
I would freely support you defending your choice with the stats you want, but I would argue that there are more important economic drivers than simple unemployment. For example, underemployment www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/09/25/underemployment-takes-an-outsized-toll-on-the-economy-according-to-a-new-study/#323359ed234eOr the wage gap www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/income-inequality-continues-to-grow-in-the-united-states.htmlI'm not sure that illegal immigration is truly being dealt with, but we sure are committing more tax dollars to it (a cause that past true conservatives would bemoan.) I can't say that he's better than HRC would have been. She's certainly got her demons, but who really knows? However, DT has certainly not accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8. You may feel that way because you disagree with Obama's policies, but his ACA (while very controversial and still being appealed in the courts) was a massive feat. I am not a big proponent of the ACA, but you can not deny that some form of significant health care reform is necessary. Again, voted R all my life prior to last cycle and even I can admit that. Obama did nothing and didn't even try to do anything about illegal immigration N Korea became nuclear and a major world threat under Obama So Yes Trump has done more in 2 years than Obama did in 8 A major world threat? You were legitimately afraid of North Korea at some point?
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Post by schellis on Dec 17, 2018 10:11:07 GMT -5
I would freely support you defending your choice with the stats you want, but I would argue that there are more important economic drivers than simple unemployment. For example, underemployment www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2018/09/25/underemployment-takes-an-outsized-toll-on-the-economy-according-to-a-new-study/#323359ed234eOr the wage gap www.cnbc.com/2018/07/19/income-inequality-continues-to-grow-in-the-united-states.htmlI'm not sure that illegal immigration is truly being dealt with, but we sure are committing more tax dollars to it (a cause that past true conservatives would bemoan.) I can't say that he's better than HRC would have been. She's certainly got her demons, but who really knows? However, DT has certainly not accomplished more in 2 years than Obama did in 8. You may feel that way because you disagree with Obama's policies, but his ACA (while very controversial and still being appealed in the courts) was a massive feat. I am not a big proponent of the ACA, but you can not deny that some form of significant health care reform is necessary. Again, voted R all my life prior to last cycle and even I can admit that. Obama did nothing and didn't even try to do anything about illegal immigration N Korea became nuclear and a major world threat under Obama So Yes Trump has done more in 2 years than Obama did in 8 I'm still trying to figure out how the ACA is actually affordable. Obama could have 20 terms and likely still would accomplish nothing, while making people think that he did great things. I'll easily vote for Trump again in 2020.
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Post by breakerslim on Dec 18, 2018 19:12:49 GMT -5
impeachment is nigh
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 18, 2018 19:29:40 GMT -5
Obama did nothing and didn't even try to do anything about illegal immigration N Korea became nuclear and a major world threat under Obama So Yes Trump has done more in 2 years than Obama did in 8 I'm still trying to figure out how the ACA is actually affordable. Obama could have 20 terms and likely still would accomplish nothing, while making people think that he did great things. I'll easily vote for Trump again in 2020. Ironically, I'm scratching my head over what Trump has accomplished. Not what he's claiming to have accomplished, but tangible achievements. He passed a tax cut, which will serve to both benefit the wealthy more than anyone else and explode an already massive federal deficit. He's renegotiated some bilateral trade agreements. It remains to be seen whether they will benefit the U.S. and whether they will possibly box in China. And....hmmm....let's see.....
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Post by DocDirk on Dec 21, 2018 9:24:19 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out how the ACA is actually affordable. Obama could have 20 terms and likely still would accomplish nothing, while making people think that he did great things. I'll easily vote for Trump again in 2020. Ironically, I'm scratching my head over what Trump has accomplished. Not what he's claiming to have accomplished, but tangible achievements. He passed a tax cut, which will serve to both benefit the wealthy more than anyone else and explode an already massive federal deficit. He's renegotiated some bilateral trade agreements. It remains to be seen whether they will benefit the U.S. and whether they will possibly box in China. And....hmmm....let's see..... This is what kills me. I consider myself a moderate conservative and I am seriously concerned about the deficit. Other so-called conservatives are too, when the other guy is in the office. Donny is killing us. Oh, man, I got another hundred dollars a month on my paycheck because of him! (Never mind that billionaires are getting way more, despite already making way more, and oh yeah it's driving our country even further into unsustainable debt...) Wait, he's also accomplished driving out a ton of cabinet members! I'm interested to see how many of these pro-military folks still support Donny after Mattis calls him out. Probably everybody, because as Donny himself said, he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any supporters...Who knew he was telling the truth in that moment?
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Post by Lark11 on Dec 21, 2018 10:27:36 GMT -5
Ironically, I'm scratching my head over what Trump has accomplished. Not what he's claiming to have accomplished, but tangible achievements. He passed a tax cut, which will serve to both benefit the wealthy more than anyone else and explode an already massive federal deficit. He's renegotiated some bilateral trade agreements. It remains to be seen whether they will benefit the U.S. and whether they will possibly box in China. And....hmmm....let's see..... This is what kills me. I consider myself a moderate conservative and I am seriously concerned about the deficit. Other so-called conservatives are too, when the other guy is in the office. Donny is killing us. Oh, man, I got another hundred dollars a month on my paycheck because of him! (Never mind that billionaires are getting way more, despite already making way more, and oh yeah it's driving our country even further into unsustainable debt...) Wait, he's also accomplished driving out a ton of cabinet members! I'm interested to see how many of these pro-military folks still support Donny after Mattis calls him out. Probably everybody, because as Donny himself said, he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and not lose any supporters...Who knew he was telling the truth in that moment? Mattis' departure is very, very disconcerting. He actually gave me some measure of confidence that this administration wouldn't blow up the world.
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Post by breakerslim on Dec 21, 2018 10:59:29 GMT -5
another day, another trump disgrace
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Post by armo21 on Jan 9, 2019 10:03:56 GMT -5
another day, another trump disgrace You literally can say this everyday.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jan 18, 2019 10:12:47 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out how the ACA is actually affordable. Obama could have 20 terms and likely still would accomplish nothing, while making people think that he did great things. I'll easily vote for Trump again in 2020. Ironically, I'm scratching my head over what Trump has accomplished. Not what he's claiming to have accomplished, but tangible achievements. He passed a tax cut, which will serve to both benefit the wealthy more than anyone else and explode an already massive federal deficit. He's renegotiated some bilateral trade agreements. It remains to be seen whether they will benefit the U.S. and whether they will possibly box in China. And....hmmm....let's see..... www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keepingHere, you can read the list for yourself. Hard to imagine a president delivering on his promises more than Trump has. He is brash, and an ass, but he gets the job done. I am all for a guy who sticks to his promises and delivers.
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Post by Lark11 on Jan 18, 2019 10:39:30 GMT -5
Ironically, I'm scratching my head over what Trump has accomplished. Not what he's claiming to have accomplished, but tangible achievements. He passed a tax cut, which will serve to both benefit the wealthy more than anyone else and explode an already massive federal deficit. He's renegotiated some bilateral trade agreements. It remains to be seen whether they will benefit the U.S. and whether they will possibly box in China. And....hmmm....let's see..... www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keepingHere, you can read the list for yourself. Hard to imagine a president delivering on his promises more than Trump has. He is brash, and an ass, but he gets the job done. I am all for a guy who sticks to his promises and delivers. So, basically, the tax cut.
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Post by crashdavissports on Jan 18, 2019 11:19:20 GMT -5
So, basically, the tax cut. Didn't read all of that did you? Make your head swim with all the propaganda you had stuck in there already? Obama's list was not that large in 8 years in the White House.
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