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Post by kinsm on Oct 6, 2015 20:49:07 GMT -5
"Bryan Price is coming back as the Reds manager in 2016, and we are going to discuss the rest of the coaching staff over the next couple of weeks, and we'll make an announcement about that in two-to-three weeks." Jocketty said earlier this week
So who stays???
Jay Bell - Bench Coach - Has just wrapped up his 2nd season with the Reds (prior to that he worked with Price in Arizona).
Jeff Pico - Pitching Coach - Has just wrapped up his 2nd season with the Reds (prior to that he worked with Price in Arizona).
Don Long - Hitting Coach - Has just wrapped up his 2nd season with the Reds.
Billy Hatcher - First Base Coach - Has just wrapped up his 10th season with the Reds.
Jim Riggleman - Third Base Coach - Has just wrapped up his 4th season with the Reds (his 1st with the big league squad).
Lee Tinsley - Assistant Hitting Coach - Has just wrapped up his 2nd season with the Reds (prior to that he worked with Price in Arizona).
Mack Jenkins - Assistant Pitching Coach - Has just wrapped up his 26th season with the Reds (his 4th with the big league squad).
Freddie Benavides - Infield Coach - Has just wrapped up his 17th season with the Reds (his 2nd with the big league squad).
Dustin Hughes - Bullpen Catcher - Has just wrapped up his 1st season with the Reds.
Mike Stefanski - Catcher Coach - Has just wrapped up his 12th season with the Reds.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 6, 2015 21:07:16 GMT -5
I suspect the long-time coaches with no direct ties to Price will return - Hatcher, Jenkins, Benavides, Stefanski.
Bell, after his argument with Marlon Byrd, is the top candidate to go.
Random note, Mack Jenkins is officially the 'bullpen coach', he was reassigned from assistant pitching coach when his predecessor left with Dusty.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 6, 2015 21:24:28 GMT -5
^So IYO the Reds are going to keep Price but fire everyone he hired.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 6, 2015 21:50:44 GMT -5
IMO I have no idea who they'll fire.
Well, I think Jay Bell is the single most likely candidate, but other than that no idea.
I said in a similar thread that I think that'll be interesting to see... both who's fired and what say Price has in their replacements. Also it'll be interesting to see if they push someone like Louisville manager Delino DeShields onto the coaching staff, who could be seen as a potential (short or long term) replacement. I guess they already have Jim Riggleman for that, but I doubt many Reds fans want to see him even as an interim manager.
I have no idea what Reds personnel think of the performance of Jeff Pico, Don Long, or Lee Tinsley, but I think that'll be highly relevant to the decision. Pitching and hitting coaches are seemingly the most popular coaches to sack as scapegoats, and their status of Price's-friends-from-Arizona seemingly doesn't help their case on a staff with several long-time organizational guys (Hatcher, Jenkins, Benavides, Stefanski).
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 6, 2015 22:00:14 GMT -5
Meanwhile I think Jim Riggleman is an old fossil who was added to the staff to replace a predecessor who kept getting runners thrown out, sorta as part of their win-now plans. He's not really an organizational guy with deep ties to the Reds (despite a few years managing for them in AA and AAA). I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him remain as 3b coach, moved bench coach, or fired to make room for someone younger. He's done a fine job, as far as I've seen, but replacing him with a new face would be a welcome change amidst the rebuild.
Again, Delino DeShields following in Riggleman's footsteps and taking over as 3b coach wouldn't surprise me. With his relationship with Billy Hamilton perhaps DeShields could also double as Hamilton's personal hitting coach. Josh Hamilton had his own coach, so why not Billy?
It'll also be interesting to see if the Reds hire someone like former Cubs manager Rick Renteria onto their staff, who is well known to be hoping for another managerial job. You know, will the vultures gamble and accept a year on the Reds coaching staff in hopes of being able to take over? Before anyone says the Reds won't do it, they brought in Walt Jocketty as a special advisor while Wayne Krivsky was GM. 4 months later, whoops, out goes Krivsky.
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Post by reds4life1986 on Oct 7, 2015 4:03:35 GMT -5
Wonder if they use Jeff Pico as a scapegoat for the bullpen issues and Tony cingrani. I'm not blaming anyone for cingrani. Cingrani failings is his own
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Post by kramer1 on Oct 7, 2015 5:09:40 GMT -5
What kind of man is Price if he sticks around as they fire everyone else? What a frickin weiner.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 7, 2015 8:23:47 GMT -5
Wonder if they use Jeff Pico as a scapegoat for the bullpen issues and Tony cingrani. I'm not blaming anyone for cingrani. Cingrani failings is his own It seems like Cingrani would've worked plenty with Bryan Price, Jeff Pico, assistant pitching coach turned bullpen coach Mack Jenkins, and even AAA pitching coach Ted Powers. Price has been very public that they want Cingrani to work on developing his secondary pitches, even taking the extreme measure of telling it to newspaper writers (when usually Price is offended about the mere suggestion of publicizing the team's plans, as seen in the Fx77 incident), and very publicly cutting Cingrani from rotation consideration for failing to work on those things. I see Cingrani's problems as a combination of his own intransigence and his shoulder injuries. Although far more the former than the later. I think the former has kept him from getting better, while the later has made him worse. He's worked with so many different guys pushing the same message that it's hard for me to blame any one of them. It's the player's job to follow through. Pico or Jenkins might make a scapegoat for the bullpen, but I doubt many Reds fans seriously blame either for the bullpen's issues. The most public and unpopular bullpen problem, Kevin Gregg, was presumably made by people who outrank them. For the most part the bullpen's problems came down to having crummy bullpen arms, rather than those guys having bad instruction. Hoover and Villarreal did better than I expected. I doubt many would disagree that moving guys like Lorenzen, Finnegan, and Moscot to the bullpen (over Adcock, Balester, Mattheus) would have far more of an impact than new coaches. |
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 7, 2015 8:26:02 GMT -5
What kind of man is Price if he sticks around as they fire everyone else? What a frickin weiner. One that values his job? One that wants to be a MLB manager and knows that this opportunity is unlikely to come again, so he might as well continue in that role as long as he can? One who knows that his reputation as a manager can only go up from here? One who isn't ready to accept the lesser role of pitching coach until he has to? |
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Post by psuhistory on Oct 7, 2015 9:07:11 GMT -5
What kind of man is Price if he sticks around as they fire everyone else? A holy fool all colored blue, red feet upon the floor? |
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Post by dukecrunchybagel on Oct 7, 2015 16:22:17 GMT -5
FWIW, I think the following get let go:
Jay Bell
Jim Riggleman
Don Long
Lee Tinsley
I think the pitching coaches all get a pass, because of all the rotten rookie starts. The hitting coaches on the other hand, absolutely have to go; they make think back wistfully about Brook Jacoby.
Bell and Riggleman will go to bring in some younger talent. Perhaps DeShields comes up from the minors to take Riggelman's spot.
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Post by kinsm on Oct 7, 2015 18:45:54 GMT -5
Bell and Long are the only two I think may be jettisoned. Though I won't be shocked if they choose the status quo and get rid of no one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 16:51:07 GMT -5
With Lloyd McClendon getting cut loose by the Mariners today I would consider him a candidate to replace Jay Bell as bench coach. He's never had complete success as a manager but generally received positive reviews as bench coach when he was with the Tigers. Former Red and knows the division.
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Post by redsfanman on Oct 9, 2015 19:42:13 GMT -5
Lloyd McClendon also has plenty of experience as a hitting coach.... just sayin'...
He was Magglio Ordonez's hitting coach when he won a batting title, and was there for three of Miguel Cabrera's batting titles. Although of course Brook Jacoby was around for Votto's MVP season and was fired, and we're talking about firing Don Long after Votto's remarkable 2015. But at least it's not like McClendon destroys the careers of the hitters he works with or anything. If they want to bring him in as hitting coach, fine. Bench coach? Eh, who cares, whatever.
Like Jim Riggleman I wouldn't want McClendon to even become interim manager of the Reds.
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